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hAuthor: Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org>	URL:mailto:ckeen@pestilenz.org	bitreich.org	70
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i@@ -8,18 +8,18 @@ Nice to have you all here! Thanks for listening! We have got a new episode	Err	bitreich.org	70
i for you, exciting things from the realm of communication technology.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i We want to talk specifically about the internet... No, we do not want to	Err	bitreich.org	70
i talk about the internet, neither do we want to talk about the dark net	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-today, but something even more obscure: Today will be about 'gopherspace'.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+today, but something even more obscure: Today will be about 'gopher space'.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 'Gopher' is a protocol, which has been introduced a bit earlier than	Err	bitreich.org	70
i the world wide web. But it has faded a bit into obscurity. A protocol,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i which might have to be said, is the way how computers talk to each	Err	bitreich.org	70
i other, how they exchange their data. You may have heard about the HTTP	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-protocol. You are using this when typing an URL into your brower. Or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+protocol. You are using this when typing an URL into your browser. Or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i there is a protocol handling the exchange of E-Mails. And there's the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 'gopher' protocol. Which is interesting in particular as it is simple	Err	bitreich.org	70
i and similar to the web, such as: Gopher server provide text and provide	Err	bitreich.org	70
i links. What they do not provide are pictures, additional features,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-Javascript or other complicated things.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+JavaScript or other complicated things.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i This restriction providing test and links does also mean, that you can	Err	bitreich.org	70
i work very fast with it, pages do load super fast. And there are people	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -28,11 +28,11 @@ much nick-nack. It is getting more and more difficult to get to the real	Err	bitreich.org	70
i information on a site. Under these circumstance it is to the point to	Err	bitreich.org	70
i have a closer look at the gopher protocol.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-We have talked to someone, who's knowledgable in this field. There	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+We have talked to someone, who's knowledgeable in this field. There	Err	bitreich.org	70
i is a group of people who will hold a conference soon, to discuss the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i future of the gopher protocol and how to build a real, interesting,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i alternative to the world wide web. But now we will have a little bit	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-of music: Mrs. Beep with 'The spring is comming' a little bit of 8bit	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+of music: Mrs. Beep with 'The spring is coming' a little bit of 8 bit	Err	bitreich.org	70
i music. After that we will talk with Christoph Lohmann, who will tell us	Err	bitreich.org	70
i something about the gopher protocol.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -51,18 +51,18 @@ M: I have read that you are running a project called 'bitreich'. This	Err	bitreich.org	70
i project is using some protocols that aren't known widely. But what's	Err	bitreich.org	70
i this project about?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: bitreich's goal si to create simple software. This includes simple	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: bitreich's goal is to create simple software. This includes simple	Err	bitreich.org	70
i protocols like gopher. Simple principles, software that's fun to use. Our	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-goals are stated on the website or better the gopherhole.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+goals are stated on the website or better the gopher hole.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: Yes...	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: There are.. Well, we wanted to talk about gopher. It's about replacing	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-big complex thingswith simple stuff which you can even implement yourself.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+big complex things with simple stuff which you can even implement yourself.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-M: Gopher does translate as 'Maulwurf' (german) right?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+M: Gopher does translate as 'Maulwurf' (German) right?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: Yes it does, it is derived from the gopher mascott of the MIT,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: Yes it does, it is derived from the gopher mascot of the MIT,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i a university in the US. Also it is a pun on 'to go for'.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: This protocol has existed for quite a long time now, probably earlier	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -105,7 +105,7 @@ M: Or two people talk to each other, they also can exchange ideas or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i information that way.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Yeah, text is even more simple. If you take this further, there's for	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-example linux, which listeners may have heard about. That's about how I	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+example Linux, which listeners may have heard about. That's about how I	Err	bitreich.org	70
i can do text processing on the command line. With images you'll have to	Err	bitreich.org	70
i deal with more complex algorithms and that's not as easy to use.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -114,8 +114,8 @@ that use less resources? If I transfer a text file it is probably much	Err	bitreich.org	70
i smaller than an Image or a video file.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Yes, that's right. I can tell a story where I have needed this	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-badly: In Bhutan in south asia, north of India, where it's all about	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-the happyness of people, not like here… They have got a GSM Network	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+badly: In Bhutan in south Asia, north of India, where it's all about	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+the happiness of people, not like here… They have got a GSM Network	Err	bitreich.org	70
i only. There has been a blackout and there has been only this slow data	Err	bitreich.org	70
i network. But I have successfully retrieved my needed information via	Err	bitreich.org	70
i gopher. It does not need a lot of resources.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -124,7 +124,7 @@ M: So it is a protocol that's interesting for areas that are less	Err	bitreich.org	70
i developed or where the aren't so many resources available?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Yes, gopher saves resources, but over all, since the web's problem is	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-illustrated with youtube: Someone reads a text in a video which is served	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+illustrated with YouTube: Someone reads a text in a video which is served	Err	bitreich.org	70
i in HD and viewed on a 4k monitor. I could have sent out the text instead!	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: So the approach is this: Here is a protocol and programs, allowing to	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -159,7 +159,7 @@ that really taking out the fun?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Well, in the old days you'd have opened a text editor, which used up	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 200 kilobyte of RAM. Today when you open up an editor it will load a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-webbroser in the background, this webbrowser will load javascript and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+browser in the background, this web browser will load JavaScript and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i this all uses up to several gigabytes of your RAM. And then this all	Err	bitreich.org	70
i has to display your source file. That's the current state of affairs!	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -183,16 +183,16 @@ a program to chat with others?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: There are different layers here. First you start by visiting	Err	bitreich.org	70
i gopherproject.org and if you are not using a gopher client you will	Err	bitreich.org	70
i be redirected to a 'web to gopher converter'. You'll be able to browse	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-gopher sites in your webbrowser. And that's the entry point where you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+gopher sites in your web browser. And that's the entry point where you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i will get to further gates.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: So it's a gateway that I can use with a normal browser that does not	Err	bitreich.org	70
i speak gopher and still be able to browse gopher sites?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: There are also plugins for webbrowsers, at least firefox and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: There are also plugins for web browsers, at least Firefox and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i chromium. One of the problems is that currently there has been a change	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-in plugins for these so there might be incompatiblilities. There are	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-many more clients listed on gopherproject.org.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+in plugins for these so there might be incompatibilities. There are	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+many more clients listed on gopher project.org.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: What about chat? I know there was a protocol that has been in use a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i lot: IRC - Internet relay chat. That's not as popular today is it?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -213,13 +213,13 @@ C: I do have the possibility to share, say a video, in whatsapp or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i images. You do not want this on IRC, it is a simple protocol. It's about	Err	bitreich.org	70
i sharing text. If I would add media, it would be impossible for hobbyists	Err	bitreich.org	70
i to run their own servers. You'd need more infrastructure on the size of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-facebook for example…	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+Facebook for example…	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: You have said that 'hobbyists wouldn't be able to run their own	Err	bitreich.org	70
i servers'. Does that mean it is easy to set up?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: There are several possibilities: There's debian for example, a well	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-known linux distribution, there are simple tutorials and instructions	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: There are several possibilities: There's Debian for example, a well	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+known Linux distribution, there are simple tutorials and instructions	Err	bitreich.org	70
i on how to set this up. A server has a monthly cost of about 3 EUR/month,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i which will be able to run a IRC server.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ C: The server side is a bit more complicated, the client access is	Err	bitreich.org	70
i really easy.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: What other protocols are there, that follow this same idea of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-preserving bandwith and resources while being comparable replacements?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+preserving bandwidth and resources while being comparable replacements?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Before the web there have been many other protocols already, based	Err	bitreich.org	70
i on the TCP/IP protocol. On there are ~65000 different ports that can be	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -263,8 +263,8 @@ C: Yes it is about anonymity. Today we now about the spy agencies	Err	bitreich.org	70
i through Snowden and them surveilling all the routers in Frankfurt and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i elsewhere. Which means they know where a data packet originates and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i ends. Tor packages data in a way that one cannot see the way the a packet	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-is travelling. But the problem with Tor and the web is that there is a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-lot of meta data in a webbrowser. This can be used to identify users. This	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+is traveling. But the problem with Tor and the web is that there is a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+lot of meta data in a web browser. This can be used to identify users. This	Err	bitreich.org	70
i is where gopher can help.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: So Tor is a method to hide your identity and what websites you are	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -272,7 +272,7 @@ visiting. When you say that there is too much meta data in a browser,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i then this means: Information about the browser's config, installed fonts,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i size of available RAM etc. Taken together all this information makes	Err	bitreich.org	70
i a user's device unique as there are maybe only ~1000 people having the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-same configuraition. That's how one can identify users right?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+same configuration. That's how one can identify users right?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Yes, that's how it works. Gopher can help here because there's a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i defined amount of meta data: zero. With Tor there are a couple of things	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -288,28 +288,28 @@ M: If you use Tor and you login somewhere then your identity isn't hidden	Err	bitreich.org	70
i anymore of course…	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: That's a problem for inexperienced users. They download the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-Tor-Browser, want to share their secrets about their regime. If I jsut	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-hand them a torbrowser, it has certain metadata which spy agencys have	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+Tor-Browser, want to share their secrets about their regime. If I just	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+hand them a tor browser, it has certain metadata which spy agencys have	Err	bitreich.org	70
i special filters for. So they can be found easily. Which means all the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-basic layers have to be designed securely that the average whistleblower	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+basic layers have to be designed securely that the average whistle blower	Err	bitreich.org	70
i will not get in trouble.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-M: There have been differnt attempts at preserving privacy and not	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+M: There have been different attempts at preserving privacy and not	Err	bitreich.org	70
i handing over data to big companies, by not taking part in one of the big	Err	bitreich.org	70
i networks. Are there alternatives to them? As opposed to using Facebook	Err	bitreich.org	70
i & Co.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: There's GNU Social for example or mastodon. If I go to facebook all	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: There's GNU Social for example or mastodon. If I go to Facebook all	Err	bitreich.org	70
i data goes in and I get nothing out again. But if I use one of these	Err	bitreich.org	70
i (slightly more complex) protocols on my home server I can exchange	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-messages with my friend in france, like: 'He has shared this picture or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-text message to the group'. That's decentralisation.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+messages with my friend in France, like: 'He has shared this picture or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+text message to the group'. That's decentralization.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-M: So there's no central datacenter holding all information, but many	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+M: So there's no central data center holding all information, but many	Err	bitreich.org	70
i servers holding on to what they need to know only.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: The facebook data scandal happened at the right time. There you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-noticed that there's political resistance. So facebook, Microsoft and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: The Facebook data scandal happened at the right time. There you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+noticed that there's political resistance. So Facebook, Microsoft and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i others started a project to exchange and export data. But so far Facebook	Err	bitreich.org	70
i hasn't delivered.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -320,22 +320,22 @@ C: I am referring to my timeline and all this.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: Are there many people using GNU Social or mastodon? Or is this a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i niche for specialists and nerds that care more about their privacy?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: It's really easy to use: enter 'gnu.social' in a webbrowser and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-you will get redirected ot a server instance. There are many of them	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: It's really easy to use: enter 'gnu.social' in a web browser and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+you will get redirected to a server instance. There are many of them	Err	bitreich.org	70
i and you choose the one where all your friends are already in the best	Err	bitreich.org	70
i case. You sign up there and then you will use this server to post into	Err	bitreich.org	70
i the network. It's all usable within the browser and it looks a lot	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-like facebook.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+like Facebook.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: We have talked about software and how to install it. You need to have	Err	bitreich.org	70
i some background knowledge for using a command line as it is just a window	Err	bitreich.org	70
i with text, you enter text commands etc. What do you think about people	Err	bitreich.org	70
i getting into this: Does this have the potential to being used by a lot	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-of people or even becomming mainstream? Can this work? Or is this too	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+of people or even becoming mainstream? Can this work? Or is this too	Err	bitreich.org	70
i unwieldy and slow and complex for them?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Let's look at the argument someone makes when switching from windows	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-to linux: But there's only a command line! But if I take interest in	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+to Linux: But there's only a command line! But if I take interest in	Err	bitreich.org	70
i my device then I'll learn how to use it. Back in the days I could fix	Err	bitreich.org	70
i a radio myself. Today I don't know what this funny device is doing…	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -354,7 +354,7 @@ the station you want.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: I want to make a counter proposal: The problem with this is that you'll	Err	bitreich.org	70
i have to buy a new device every year a new protocol is established. But	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-there are also things like the Raspberry Pi that's running linux and you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+there are also things like the Raspberry Pi that's running Linux and you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i can build your peripherals around that. If you want you can exchange	Err	bitreich.org	70
i that for something with more computing power later. It's all about	Err	bitreich.org	70
i modularity and wasting less. For computers and smartphones we do see	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -367,7 +367,7 @@ carrying around paper maps.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: That's why we talk about this. People need to know that the price	Err	bitreich.org	70
i for all this comfort is being under total surveillance. And the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-machine controlls me. That's why one needs to know how the machine	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+machine controls me. That's why one needs to know how the machine	Err	bitreich.org	70
i works. Otherwise this will all be like magic and magic is never a good	Err	bitreich.org	70
i thing. We need more science.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -376,13 +376,13 @@ with an app and can accurately see where I am. That's a service I'd like	Err	bitreich.org	70
i to use, but I don't want to wade through complex software and install	Err	bitreich.org	70
i text only interfaces. That's too much for most people I think?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: Yes, noone will get attracted because of that. We do advocate that	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: Yes, no one will get attracted because of that. We do advocate that	Err	bitreich.org	70
i every project should be reusable. If we talk about maps, there's a map	Err	bitreich.org	70
i database, openstreetmap. There's someone that inputs all the maps into	Err	bitreich.org	70
i the database, there's a program generating maps. Now someone can put a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i text interface in front of the database to get to the same data. Not like	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-facebook where data is hidden behind one web interface. If Facebook's	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-going out of business all the data is gone. So we say: reusability. It	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+Facebook where data is hidden behind one web interface. If Facebook's	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+going out of business all the data is gone. So we say: re-usability. It	Err	bitreich.org	70
i would be a huge waste to redo all this data.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: What's the reason we don't have data reusablility today but big	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -391,9 +391,9 @@ by people? After all the idea has been around for 20/30 years as well..	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Consumption is the problem. What's left of our social structure is	Err	bitreich.org	70
i the 'I want' and 'I get'. Everything in between the 'waiting', 'I need	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-to master this' has been lost to Hypercapitalism.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+to master this' has been lost to Hyper-capitalism.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-M: What do you think one can do about this? Is your attempt of focussing	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+M: What do you think one can do about this? Is your attempt of focusing	Err	bitreich.org	70
i on simple protocols trying to turn back the wheel of time a little or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i changing it's direction a little?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -423,7 +423,7 @@ point for you and your allies?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Yes it is like in any other club out there. If it is no fun, why	Err	bitreich.org	70
i go there? We are hobbyists, working 8-10 hours per day, then I need	Err	bitreich.org	70
i a good reason for doing this. That may be why there's often rougher	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-commnunication happening. Maybe due to us being human and not service	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+communication happening. Maybe due to us being human and not service	Err	bitreich.org	70
i staff. Then it may happen that we demand some signs of self help from	Err	bitreich.org	70
i others. This is not a self-service shop but a hobby. If I want to be	Err	bitreich.org	70
i part of that I have to do my share...	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -437,11 +437,11 @@ have talked about the gopher protocol, the simple way of exchanging text	Err	bitreich.org	70
i over the internet. We will continue our talk with Christoph as there	Err	bitreich.org	70
i are now some people that want to take care of the future development	Err	bitreich.org	70
i of gopher. What's the current state of affairs and how to move on? That	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-will be one of the topics of an upcomming conference and we would like	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+will be one of the topics of an upcoming conference and we would like	Err	bitreich.org	70
i to know what will happen there. What's it about?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: It's about 'bitreich con' or conference. That will take place next	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-saturday and sunday in Rodez, d  partement Aveyron, South France as	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+Saturday and Sunday in Rodez, d  partement Aveyron, South France as	Err	bitreich.org	70
i there's a bitreich member living there. But you can also follow the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i event online. There's the slides available on the gopher hole via ssh,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i an audio stream via gopher and IRC chat. So everyone can participate.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -453,9 +453,9 @@ C: Exactly! And your upper legs won't get burned while doing so.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: What's the schedule for the conference?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: On saturday we will talk about bitreich and what has happened there. We	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-have made changes to our manifest, new members and projects. On sunday we	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-will talk about gopher exclusively. A lot of americans will be looking	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: On Saturday we will talk about bitreich and what has happened there. We	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+have made changes to our manifest, new members and projects. On Sunday we	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+will talk about gopher exclusively. A lot of Americans will be looking	Err	bitreich.org	70
i forward to this as there hasn't been a gopher con in a long time. And	Err	bitreich.org	70
i they are mostly part of the older gopher community. So this will be the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i first time that we will all meet together again.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -483,17 +483,17 @@ should be. There's nothing more that for a blog as well really. A lot of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i people do this due to a retro chic, like enjoying it like in the good	Err	bitreich.org	70
i old days, some also do it due to it's idea of simplicity. Let me open	Err	bitreich.org	70
i up my slides for a talk I have prepared so I can tell you some services	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-that might be interested for newcommers in the gopherspace.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+that might be interested for newcomers in the gopher space.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-M: Gopherspace is the whole part of the network, all servers running the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+M: Gopher space is the whole part of the network, all servers running the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i gopher protocol and all information on them? Just like the world wide web?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Yes, that's what I mean by that. As an example we have the following	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-services: A gopher frontend for mastodon/GNU Social as an alternative	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+services: A gopher fronted for mastodon/GNU Social as an alternative	Err	bitreich.org	70
i to Facebook. Then there's an interface for the pirate bay's search,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i an Interface for YouTube (search only), Wikipedia, a search searx which	Err	bitreich.org	70
i works like Google or duckduckgo but federated. Project Gutenberg, where	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-old books are collected and there's even a search frontend for netflix.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+old books are collected and there's even a search fronted for Netflix.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: Those aren't static sites like text or audio or image files. But	Err	bitreich.org	70
i there are interactive elements?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -516,7 +516,7 @@ lot of possibilities to create a page. And then there are factors that	Err	bitreich.org	70
i have contributed to rising advertisements and the increasing resource	Err	bitreich.org	70
i hunger of these websites. Wouldn't it also be a proposal to say: Let's	Err	bitreich.org	70
i just use HTML 1.0 like in the beginning of the web? You'd get images  and	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-links but no extra code execution via javascript. Is that in alignment	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+links but no extra code execution via JavaScript. Is that in alignment	Err	bitreich.org	70
i with your goals?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: I still have in mind what I have said about meta data and Tor. It would	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -530,7 +530,7 @@ look old and too retro? How can you tell that their attempt has failed?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: It's the same problem why we won't see gopher taking over the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i world. It's all too big. The same technology is everywhere but is seen	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-differently in India or Afrika than here. Everyone has a different	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+differently in India or Africa than here. Everyone has a different	Err	bitreich.org	70
i knowledge level. The same is true for repairs. Knowledge gets lost. The	Err	bitreich.org	70
i current generation does not this. It's important to show them that it	Err	bitreich.org	70
i can be different, it's about preserving that knowledge.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -546,8 +546,8 @@ M: So the HTML 1.0 revival has been an interesting idea from your point of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i view but it's not really suited to keep to simple and essential protocols?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: The problem with web development is that it's just piling up	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-layers of software. There's javascript on top of javascript on top of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-javascript. The same is true for all commercial development. Why is it	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+layers of software. There's JavaScript on top of JavaScript on top of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+JavaScript. The same is true for all commercial development. Why is it	Err	bitreich.org	70
i the hobbyists that have to take care of simplification? Everyone lives	Err	bitreich.org	70
i in their own filter bubble and as long as there's profit there's no need	Err	bitreich.org	70
i for change. That's a problem and that's why we have to show a new way	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -560,8 +560,8 @@ without making hard cuts where old content will not work anymore -	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: That's a totally different problem: Take archive.org, the people	Err	bitreich.org	70
i trying to archive the web. They have huge problems scraping modern	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-webpages trying to find content and archive it. That's due to the core	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-problem of us not useing text anymore. That has to be solved. We use	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+web pages trying to find content and archive it. That's due to the core	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+problem of us not using text anymore. That has to be solved. We use	Err	bitreich.org	70
i abstractions not test.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: Currently when using HTML, text files are transferred. Or are you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -570,18 +570,18 @@ you an image containing text?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: That's really happening at the moment, it's called web assembly. So	Err	bitreich.org	70
i there's binary programs being executed in the browser which further	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-complicates it all. This also implies more acccess to the computer	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+complicates it all. This also implies more access to the computer	Err	bitreich.org	70
i hardware, another issue we have been warning about since Snowden. It	Err	bitreich.org	70
i will get a lot worse.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: That sounds pretty fatalistic, the web is a lost cause and cannot be	Err	bitreich.org	70
i saved. Is it really that bleak?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: It will get more complex and intransparent. I cannot see it	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: It will get more complex and nontransparent. I cannot see it	Err	bitreich.org	70
i differently. The developments of the last 20 years have been going in	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-this direction. We currently have only 3 web browsers left, that's als	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+this direction. We currently have only 3 web browsers left, that's also	Err	bitreich.org	70
i a sign. With gopher one can implement a client in a couple of minutes	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-in virtually any programming langugage. There are only 3 browsers left	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+in virtually any programming language. There are only 3 browsers left	Err	bitreich.org	70
i because not a single person will manage to write another one in their	Err	bitreich.org	70
i live time. That's impossible with current standards.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -595,21 +595,21 @@ offer one proposal how to make things simpler. Sometimes it gets picked	Err	bitreich.org	70
i up, sometimes it isn't. But it's about spreading this idea: It's possible	Err	bitreich.org	70
i to make it simpler! There are many people out there doing simple web	Err	bitreich.org	70
i pages but total and absolute simplicity will not happen. If we'd all use	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-the same webbrowser for example we'd also have all the same security	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-flaws. That's another point: With linux everyone can build their own	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-system and is indepedent. Like with natural selection monoculture makes	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+the same web browser for example we'd also have all the same security	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+flaws. That's another point: With Linux everyone can build their own	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+system and is independent. Like with natural selection mono culture makes	Err	bitreich.org	70
i us fallible to the same virus.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: You say: We need to experiment, we need to be diverse we need to create	Err	bitreich.org	70
i things as we want them as users which is not the same as companies would	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-like to design webpages and our communications.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+like to design web pages and our communications.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Companies may do what they want, once they see that people use our	Err	bitreich.org	70
i things because they are fun… as it is happening at Microsoft, they	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-switch over to linux because linux is fun and they are having trouble	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-finding developers that do Micrososift. That's why Microsoft is developing	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-a linux subsystem and is porting linux software to it. Because there's	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-noone who wants to work with this tedious and boring Microsoft stuff.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+switch over to Linux because Linux is fun and they are having trouble	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+finding developers that do Microsoft. That's why Microsoft is developing	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+a Linux subsystem and is porting Linux software to it. Because there's	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+no one who wants to work with this tedious and boring Microsoft stuff.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: Really? I have got the impression that windows is widespread in	Err	bitreich.org	70
i industry applications where software is available for windows only. Or	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -620,15 +620,15 @@ C: That depends on your point of view! Linux has simply won!	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: *laughs*	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: Take the smartphone: 90% is running linux and there are whole	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-generations of people in africa that use their phones as their sole	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-device. Those are all linux users. Industry and commerce applications	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: Take the smartphone: 90% is running Linux and there are whole	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+generations of people in Africa that use their phones as their sole	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+device. Those are all Linux users. Industry and commerce applications	Err	bitreich.org	70
i are niche products and niches move very slowly. Maybe we'll see a change	Err	bitreich.org	70
i there in 20-30 years. And that's the point: Now we have the possibility,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i now that there are no developers for Microsoft that do it with all their	Err	bitreich.org	70
i heart, it's all about passion anyway, then we have people here on the	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-other hadn, that switch all over to linux. Microsoft is supporting docker,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-they even distribute their own linux images for their cloud service. Linux	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+other hand, that switch all over to Linux. Microsoft is supporting docker,	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+they even distribute their own Linux images for their cloud service. Linux	Err	bitreich.org	70
i has won.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: You said that in some countries the desktop is irrelevant now, a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -644,27 +644,27 @@ M: Okay...	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: That's a sign isn't it!	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: I see that you have a clear picture in mind… How's the reach of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-your project with gopher, irc and alternative social networks. Do you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+your project with gopher, IRC and alternative social networks. Do you	Err	bitreich.org	70
i see any international recognition? Or is it more some experiment of	Err	bitreich.org	70
i people in the industrial nations?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i C: Americans, as these are the old Gents that have been tinkering with	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-gopher in the old days, but there is also a wide reach in europ. I have	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+gopher in the old days, but there is also a wide reach in Europe. I have	Err	bitreich.org	70
i seen a world map yesterday containing all the gopher servers. There	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-have been 3 in africa, japan has had a couple, asia… there are	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-interested people everywhere. I know 2 enthusiasts from argentina through	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-bitreich. We are international, english is our langugae as wer are small.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+have been 3 in Africa, japan has had a couple, Asia… there are	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+interested people everywhere. I know 2 enthusiasts from Argentina through	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+bitreich. We are international, English is our language as we are small.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: Is there a way to access gopher on smartphones?	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-C: Proxies are the easiest way, seconed by 'overbite'. That's a gopher	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-plugin for browsers made by Cameron Kaiser, an american developer. He has	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+C: Proxies are the easiest way, seconded by 'overbite'. That's a gopher	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+plugin for browsers made by Cameron Kaiser, an American developer. He has	Err	bitreich.org	70
i build solutions for Firefox and Chromium. You can find this through your	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-webbrowser. There are also graphical clients but those you'll have to	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+web browser. There are also graphical clients but those you'll have to	Err	bitreich.org	70
i build yourself, so that's not suitable for beginners. But it's the same	Err	bitreich.org	70
i as on the desktop: The advanced users have their command line where they	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-can run any of the command line clients, as it is a linux system. And	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-the people specialised on the web can access it through a proxy. So	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+can run any of the command line clients, as it is a Linux system. And	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+the people specialized on the web can access it through a proxy. So	Err	bitreich.org	70
i there's accessibility on all levels including 'backwards' compatibility.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: You'll have your conference soon, where you will exchange ideas. Will	Err	bitreich.org	70
i@@ -675,7 +675,7 @@ C: Yes the recordings and slides will be available online.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i M: Being available online is the right clue! You all know that	Err	bitreich.org	70
i you can listen to all of episodes of the ABS Magazin on our website	Err	bitreich.org	70
i absmagazin.de. There you can listen again to how this all works, have a	Err	bitreich.org	70
i-look at the shownotes where we will put in all the links that have been	Err	bitreich.org	70
i+look at the show notes where we will put in all the links that have been	Err	bitreich.org	70
i mentioned on the show.	Err	bitreich.org	70
i 	Err	bitreich.org	70
i You have been listening to this week's episode of the ABS Magazine. You	Err	bitreich.org	70
.