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/r/WorldNews Live Thread for Israel-Hamas War (Thread #62)
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|u/Karpattata - 1 month
|
|According to Ynet, Sinwar told the mediators that Hamas will only show
|up to the negotiations if Israel withdraws from the Gaza strip. So.
|Before Hamas ever accepts any obligation or, indeed, negotiates. Lol. 
|u/StanGable80 - 1 month
|
|The guy who murdered and kidnapped babies is making demands??
|u/FYoCouchEddie - 1 month
|
|And the current top headline for the NYT website is > Israel was less
|flexible in recent Gaza ceasefire talks, documents show I’m sure
|their top story tomorrow will be about Sinwar refusing to participate
|in talks, right???? That or Hamas’s admission that one of their
|soldiers just shot three hostages, killing one, right????
|u/apex8888 - 1 month
|
|This conflict has obliterated my trust in the media. They have been
|so far off from truth it’s just too far. All the major ones have
|lacked being thorough and using terrorists as sources for their
|stories. Remember the rocket shot from the hospital and they were so
|fast to share terrorist narrative.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|I wonder if this is an indirect response to Iran saying they are only
|going to attack if the current round of talks fail. This is basically
|a message from Sinwar to Iran to "put up or shut up." With perhaps a
|small side of him wanting a guarantee that Israel isn't going to
|immediately kill him when he shows his face.
|u/michaelNXT1 - 1 month
|
|Ahh yes, we all need some pre-negotiations to get ready for the
|negotiations.
|u/PositiveUse - 1 month
|
|He‘ll be killed by Israel before that happens…
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|What jokers.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|It proves that Sinwar does not want any kind of ceasefire. He knows
|Israel won't accept this condition. Sinwar wants to die in battle so
|he can get his 72 virgins, and he's willing to sacrifice every Gazan
|to get there.
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|If he wanted to die in battle, he'd get out of his hole and fight.
|He wants other Palestinians to die in battle, which a ceasefire
|won't help with.
|u/No_Size_1765 - 1 month
|
|[Iran planning to resume testing nuclear bomb
|detonators](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-814638)
|u/ThePoliticalFurry - 1 month
|
|Their funeral The US will likely give black-ops style support to
|Israel taking out Iran's nuclear research facilities if they think
|they're even considering building a bomb
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|They are not considering it. They are getting the resources together
|and in place to build it stage. That's the stage right before they
|build it.
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|So that's why they've been buying time.
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|Update on Hamas' statement that one of the guards murdered a hostage:
|Hamas posted the picture of the murdered hostage, because of course they
|did. The IDF then released a statement saying that this is a hostage
|whose body was returned back in November.
|u/die_fesche_lola - 1 month
|
|Apart from the regular psych and emotional torture they want to
|inflict, I wonder if the narrative will serve to justify something
|that happened to the other 2 girls/women they also mentioned.
|u/ElasticCrow393 - 1 month
|
|there are 2 women injured on 7.10 and amputated from what I know
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|Possible that if Hamas thinks a ceasefire is imminent they are
|trying to explain injuries to the women. We know from Chen Almog
|Goldstein that Romi Gonen could barely move her fingers from her
|gunshot wound & another hostage in the tunnel had lost a limb. Those
|injuries would be easy to date It’s horrific psychologic warfare on
|the families of female hostages who already living the unbearable.
|There are 11 presumed female hostages that including a hostage with
|no sign of life since Oct 7.
|u/sociologyplease111 - 1 month
|
|Do you know who the hostage is?
|u/ElasticCrow393 - 1 month
|
|Ofir Tzarfati killed 7 october  on route 232
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|I didn't see a name anywhere, no.
|u/TheBin101 - 1 month
|
|The romurs say it's Ziv Dado, I'm not sure if it's true
|u/Domilakko - 1 month
|
|The body of Ziv Dado was recovered in mid-December, not November. 
|u/senfgurke - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/ELINTNews/status/1822750069336252587 > NYT's
|@ronenbergman on CNN: "The assessment now is that it's not a
|synchronised attack, it's a coordinated attack. Hezbollah will start and
|Iran will attack a few hours maybe more after Hezbollah. It will happen
|early next week and there are some assumptions based on some
|intelligence that it will take place on Monday August 12th which is also
|a religious date in the Jewish calendar because this is the date ...
|when the Jewish Temple was destroyed and the Jewish people went to
|exile".
|u/Panda_tears - 1 month
|
|It’s 1:39 am local time on the 12th in Israel if anyone didn’t feel
|like looking. (As if 6:39 EST)
|u/ben02015 - 1 month
|
|If they want to attack on Tish B’Av though, they need to wait until
|nighttime
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|So Monday night Israel time right?
|u/Panda_tears - 1 month
|
|Like after sundown or something? Cause technically it’s night
|right now
|u/Loumeer - 1 month
|
|Jewish holidays start sundown and end sundown. So it's not
|technically Tisha Bav until sundown the 12th. That being said,
|waiting until nighttime isn't necessary if they plan to make
|this into a multi-day ordeal.
|u/MojoDr619 - 1 month
|
|Can anyone one explain.. if Israel knows they are due to be attacked,
|why don't they just preemptively strike first? Why even give them
|another shot?
|u/anis_mitnwrb - 1 month
|
|what good would that do? israel doesn't have the strategic ability
|to hit the sites they'll be launching from all over iran. for even
|a limited strike like the one on hudaydah, it took days/weeks of
|coordination across several countries.
|u/Rommel79 - 1 month
|
|And if Israel attacks first, they lose the “moral high ground” (I
|understand this is debatable) and risk angering other Arab nations
|that may stay out of an offensive war launched by Iran.
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|Another Hezbollah attack in Northern Israel: https://x.com/Faytuks/sta
|tus/1822771268807983588?t=Y3PJDKqi5pJdrC1pKD31DQ&s=19 >Footage from
|Nahariya in northern Israel as Hezbollah fires rocket barrage towards
|the area
|u/GrassyTreesAndLakes - 1 month
|
|All of them seem to be landing, this is awful :( 
|u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out - 1 month
|
|It depends, it's hard to make out where they are landing but the
|iron dome will target only rockets that are deemed dangerous to the
|population centers and let the ones it calculates will land in
|uninhabited areas through. That way it prioritizes the most
|dangerous ones.
|u/GTGearZero - 1 month
|
|U.S. Defense Secretary Austin has ordered the deployment of the USS
|Georgia submarine, an Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarine, to the
|Middle East. He has also ordered the USS Lincoln carrier strike group to
|accelerate its transit to the region.
|https://x.com/idreesali114/status/1822790557250265596?s=46
|u/GTGearZero - 1 month
|
|Note: This submarine has been converted to a SSGN, before anyone
|starts screaming “omg WW3” Each Ohio SSGN carries 154 tomahawk
|missiles.
|u/ThePoliticalFurry - 1 month
|
|Yep It's basically a overkill attack sub that uses the size of the
|thing to cram a huge payload of conventional missiles onboard, I
|think one was actually involved in the massive bombing on a Yemen a
|few months ago
|u/Cruise_alt_40000 - 1 month
|
|While I'm not screaming WW3, I do think this points to the fact that
|the risk of a wider regional war is much greater than before.
|Obviously that doesn't mean it will happen just that the risk of it
|happening is much higher.
|u/Mr_Engineering - 1 month
|
|Yeah. Being close to an SSBN is actually safest because SLBMs and
|ICBMs have a minimum range. An SSBN in the Persian Gulf wouldn't be
|able to hit Iran
|u/Wermys - 1 month
|
|So Cruise Missile Spammer.
|u/Conamin - 1 month
|
|Loud explosion heard in Central Israel (Holon/Bat Yam area), no alerts
|Hamas claims to have fired two rockets M90 rockets (reaches up to 75KM &
|has a 10kg yield) towards Tel Aviv IDF spokesman: A short time ago, one
|launch was detected that crossed the territory of the Gaza Strip and
|fell in the maritime space in the center of the country, no alerts were
|triggered since they didn't pose a danger to civilians at the same
|time, another launch was detected that did not enter the territory of
|Israel. Initial reports that the launches originated from somewhere in
|the south of the strip, unknown if it is the Khan Younis area or the
|Rafah area
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|Seems like they were launched from Khan Younis right next to where the
|IDF is operating. Hamas is trying to launch whatever they can before
|it gets dismantled hence why it was so rushed and landed at sea.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|I heard the boom in Florentin - thought it was just a crane dropping
|something - then saw the news.
|u/NotThatBritishGirl - 1 month
|
|Same. I heard a distant boom, thought for a second maybe an upstairs
|neighbour dropped something heavy, but a dog outside started barking
|so I also guessed it was the iron dome but without a siren
|u/senfgurke - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1822681887082414324 > Israel's security
|establishment still believes that Iran's response will be bigger than
|the attack in April, according to state broadcaster Kann
|https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1822689293933953481 > The updated
|assessment of the Israeli intelligence community is that Iran has
|decided to attack Israel directly in retaliation for the assassination
|of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh & may do within days, even
|before the August 15 hostage deal talks, per 2 sources
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Looks like the initial assessment that they'd attack on Tisha B'av is
|holding up.
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|Yeah looks like the Kuwait paper saying Iran has decided not to attack
|is false news, maybe hoping that Israel defenses would relax
|u/pridetime93 - 1 month
|
|Lol israel isn't using Kuwait newspaper as sources
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Imagine how badly Hamas fucked up that they're coming forward about it
|instead of blaming an IDF strike like they usually do. Makes me wonder
|how badly they fucked up and if they're only telling half the truth.
|Such a fucked up situation. Fuck Hamas, fuck these monsters.
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|They didn't fuck up, they're not covering anything. They know that if
|they use western rhetoric where they supposedly take accountability
|for one "rogue" guard and present themselves as a responsible and
|serious organization they won't lose support or be viewed as monsters
|by the media. This allows them to release psychological warfare and
|torture the families some more right before the summit that they
|already refused to attend.
|u/Givemeallyourtacos - 1 month
|
|Regarding what though? Can you drop some additional context I missed
|it
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|**Hamas kills one hostage, wounds two - report** One hostage held
|by Hamas in Gaza has been killed by the Hamas terrorist assigned to
|guard him, and another two female hostages have been seriously
|injured, the spokesperson of the Hamas armed wing, Abu Obeida,
|announced on Telegram on Monday. The terrorist group stated that a
|committee was formed to investigate the incident and will announce
|the details later. https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-814452
|u/latherrinseregret - 1 month
|
|There are (yet unconfirmed) reports that some hostages were recently
|murdered and/or maimed by Hamas in captivity …
|u/American-Punk-Dragon - 1 month
|
|any rumor of a deal or anything, isn’t news until it actually happens.
|Anything is just back and forth crap. Believe it when you see it
|happen. Keep believing once it stays in place…Hammas, we’re ALL looking
|at you.
|u/ThaCarter - 1 month
|
|A deal only lasts until Hamas breaks it anyway.
|u/senfgurke - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1822741050974191989 > Barak Ravid says
|that Israel's Defense Minister told US Secretary of Defense Austin a
|little while ago that: Israel is observing more and more military
|preparations in Iran that it has not seen in recent days
|https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1822744583362543664 > According to new
|assessments, the Israeli security establishment is now preparing for a
|combined attack by Iran and Hezbollah, either simultaneously or in a
|phased manner, according to Israel's Channel 13 > Heads of the Israeli
|security establishment assess that Iran is no longer hesitating and that
|they want Israel to pay a painful price > The Olympics may have delayed
|the attack as France put pressure on Hezbollah & Iran not to attack
|during the competition, as per Channel 13
|https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1822746960807489761 > Israeli Minister of
|Defense Yoav Gallant spoke on Sunday with U.S. Secretary of Defense
|Lloyd Austin and told him the Iranian military preparations suggest Iran
|is getting ready for a large-scale attack, a source with knowledge of
|the call said - Axios > The sources add that the attacks by Hezbollah
|and Iran are likely to be bigger than the one conducted by Iran last
|April and include the launching of missiles and drones at military
|targets in central Israel, including in the vicinity of civilian
|population centers - Axios Edit:
|https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1822736417149047246 > The IDF prohibits
|all regular soldiers from staying in Georgia and Azerbaijan amid fears
|of an Iranian response, according to Kann News > The IDF issued the new
|order tonight. All soldiers who are in these countries, even on
|vacation, are required to return to Israel immediately, according to
|@ItayBlumental Edit 2:
|https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1822749410243317839 > Israeli Air
|Force & IDF Intel Branch elevate their alert as threat of Iranian attack
|grows, @amirbohbot reports.
|u/ben02015 - 1 month
|
|How does France have leverage/influence over Hezbollah and Iran?
|u/PugsAndHugs95 - 1 month
|
|They happen to have every countries best athletes along with famous
|celebrities from each country there to watch those athletes, all at
|the same time. So they have quite a bit of leverage. Russia did
|the same thing, China asked them to wait until the winter Olympics
|were over.
|u/ben02015 - 1 month
|
|So what would France have done if Iran didn’t listen? I don’t
|think they would harm or arrest Iranian athletes as retaliation.
|u/hung-games - 1 month
|
|No, but the next nation or organization that needs French /
|international support for anti-Russian/Hezbollah activities will
|be likely to get it. Conversely, the next Russian entity that
|needs French support will be unlikely to get it. This includes
|aid / investment. Soft power matters
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|Exactly this. It’s why I’ve been personally betting on them
|waiting until after the Olympics for that reason
|u/CentJr - 1 month
|
|they were the ones who propped up Iran initially (with how they
|hosted, protected and supported Khomeini, the architect of the
|Islamic revolution) so they would have some leeway with them. Plus
|they, along with some other European countries, were responsible for
|undermining maximum pressure/sanctions. If Iran doesn't play nice
|and Trump ends up getting elected, there's a possibility that France
|won't help them like they did before
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1823004845005025314?t=i8ZR7-TdJcllSh9s3MKEJ
|A&s=19 Ryanair is suspending flights until August 26th going into Tel
|Aviv "due to operational restrictions which are beyond our control"
|u/Space_Bungalow - 1 month
|
|"We can beat our competitors prices but we can't beat incoming
|ballistic missiles"
|u/choicemeats - 1 month
|
|That’s an extra fee
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|This actually made me wonder to what extant the Iron Dome would be
|able to tell if an incoming projectile might collide with a
|commercial aircraft. It already tries to discern between rockets
|heading for populated areas vs those going towards the middle of
|no where. But in the case of an aircraft...both things are moving.
|So my gut tells me it can't possibly be that smart, but Israeli
|engineering has surprised me in the past.
|u/ABrokenWolf - 1 month
|
|Iron Dome does not intercept at the altitudes required to
|provide coverage for commercial aircraft in anything but the
|takeoff/landing phase of flight anyways, so it wouldn't make
|sense to bother programming that capability.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|Well yea but most tel aviv bound (or vice versa) aircraft are
|usually in take off/landing phase by the time they are in
|Israeli air space.
|u/Cheesey-Boureka - 1 month
|
|Conference TL;DR: "We will attack if prompted. Your safety is the most
|important. We have no updates or changes on our alert. We will update
|you once we have more information." Even further TL;DR: No changes.
|Hezbollah is trash. The Islamic Regime is a bunch of bitches.
|u/Count99dowN - 1 month
|
|Whinny bitches. 
|u/am-345 - 1 month
|
|Iran, the master edgers
|u/GloriousBeardGuanYu - 1 month
|
|Cumming is haram 
|u/letife - 1 month
|
|Reuters inventing new terminology to avoid saying “according to Hamas”.
|“On Saturday, an Israeli airstrike on a school where displaced
|Palestinians were sheltering in Gaza City killed at least 90 people,
|according to the civil defence service” Call it the “Hamas civil
|defense service” at-least. it’s Hamas, not some random organization.
|https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-orders-more-gaza-
|evacuations-after-school-shelter-attack-kills-scores-2024-08-11/
|u/artachshasta - 1 month
|
|With civilians like these ... 
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|## ‘The coffee was still hot’: IDF general says troops were ‘minutes’
|from catching Sinwar https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-coffee-was-
|still-hot-idf-general-says-troops-were-minutes-from-catching-sinwar/
|u/saxman2112 - 1 month
|
|It will be a good day for everyone when they catch and/or kill this
|madman.
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|So close too! Hopefully they'll get him soon enough!
|u/Popular-Teach1715 - 1 month
|
|He can't run or hide forever.
|u/ailen2004 - 1 month
|
|I desire for the day that I see the headline "Sinwar have been
|captured"
|u/senfgurke - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1823050593172426881 > Defense
|source: Harm to Israeli civilians will trigger disproportionate response
|in Iran & Lebanon; IDF chief approves Israeli strike plans across Middle
|East; dozens of armed fighter jets on standby to thwart Hezbollah
|assault if intel comes in. via @kann_news
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1823047977876763085?t=I4jY1yH7SYV05OEeIy
|t-UA&s=19 >The White House: Shares the Israeli assessment that Iran
|and its proxies may attack Israel this week
|u/klobbenropper - 1 month
|
|Or next or never. It becomes increasingly clear that their threats and
|insinuations are the real retaliation. It is cheap, safe and makes
|them appear stronger than they really are.
|u/MandoAviator - 1 month
|
|A barking dog rarely bites is an Arab saying.
|u/Throwthat84756 - 1 month
|
|Regarding Iran's attack on Israel back in April, I was wondering if
|anyone who is knowledgeable about military warfare and tactics could
|answer the following: * From what I have read online, Iran's main
|strategy in attacking Israel was to employ a saturation attack, which is
|put simply when you launch cheap ineffective projectiles (like drones)
|in large quantities to overwhelm the opposing country's (in this case
|Israel) air defence system, thus allowing some of the projectiles to hit
|their intended target. Iran's saturation attack in April was described
|as the largest ever launched. How effective are saturation attacks in
|general? Are they a sure-fire way of overwhelming any countries air
|defence system? Theoretically, would it be impossible for any country to
|defend itself on its own from a saturation attack? Or could a country
|defend itself from a saturation attack on its own? * I have also read
|that the saturation attack strategy was developed by the Soviet Union
|during the cold war and that, in order to counter it, the US developed
|its own strategy. The US strategy was to destroy Soviet missile aircraft
|before it launches any missiles, thus limiting the number of missiles
|that are launched and neutralising the saturation attack strategy, aka a
|pre-emptive strike. Maybe this has been answered before, but why doesn't
|Israel engage in a pre-emptive strike on Iranian missile launchers and
|aircraft? This way, Iran theoretically wouldn't be able to launch an
|effective saturation attack. Israel has also shown it has the capability
|to target sites in Iran as well right? Why not use this strategy instead
|of waiting for an attack to occur?
|u/senfgurke - 1 month
|
|> How effective are saturation attacks in general? Are they a sure-
|fire way of overwhelming any countries air defence system?
|Theoretically, would it be impossible for any country to defend itself
|on its own from a saturation attack? Or could a country defend itself
|from a saturation attack on its own? To put it simply it comes down
|to how many interceptors the defending side has available vs the
|attacker's available missiles. Israel has one of the densest missile
|defense networks in the world and few other states could have
|successfully defended against the kind of salvo launched it April. On
|the other hand, Iran also has one of the largest ballistic missile
|inventories in the world and I believe that in the event of large-
|scale war they would be able to pentrate Israel's defenses to some
|degree and do significant damage, especially if combined with missile
|strikes from Hezbollah. > Maybe this has been answered before, but
|why doesn't Israel engage in a pre-emptive strike on Iranian missile
|launchers and aircraft? This way, Iran theoretically wouldn't be able
|to launch an effective saturation attack. There is a difference
|between strikes on a few individual targets and a large scale pre-
|emptive strike destroying large numbers of difficult to find and track
|mobile launchers and missile storage sites buried in mountains. That
|would be a challenge for the US to pull off, much less Israel on its
|own.
|u/DareiosX - 1 month
|
|In addition to other answers, Iran has fortified some of their missile
|launch sites underground, making them hard or potentially impossible
|to hit pre-emptively. They have also built a mobile-launching system
|underground, [with launching stations moving around on
|rail](https://www.twz.com/37440/iran-now-has-automated-missile-
|launching-magazines-for-its-underground-bases) in order to quick-fire
|ballistic projectiles from the safety of a bunker.
|u/The_Naked_Buddhist - 1 month
|
|> Maybe this has been answered before, but why doesn't Israel engage
|in a pre-emptive strike on Iranian missile launchers and aircraft? So
|not a military expect but follow a few subs of Israeli's and other
|pages; the general vibe I get is they could do this but won't cause
|they're worried they'd lose the public "moral debate" about the war.
|From what I've seen there's generally an attachment of resentment
|towards it but apparently they have done that before, and had
|essentially everyone turn around and blame them for instigating it as
|a result. So instead now its just a waiting game for someone else to
|hit first, knowing they'll kill a bunch of people, and then striking
|back.
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/nickschifrin/status/1824092141817102520?t=ctSb35dyjDSVR-
|CL4F4kRw&s=19 The same message is being reiterated it seems like. Talks
|still ongoing in Doha.
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|Hamas just announced that they are refusing to participate in the new
|round of negotiations https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/18227044145217825
|22?t=zps1XSVJGZWEfJlG7TWbPw&s=19 Why would Israel do this?
|u/madethisforultra - 1 month
|
|Most mothers? Really? Source? Or you just going off of random video
|you saw of a mother or two saying that?
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|At least they aren't pulling anyone's leg anymore. They were never
|going to agree unless Israel basically capitulated.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Watch the media blame Israel anyway.
|u/FYoCouchEddie - 1 month
|
|Funny you say that. CNN.com currently has a headline: > Hamas
|leader Sinwar wants a ceasefire deal, mediators say, but
|Netanyahu’s stance unclear
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|CNN legitimately trying to make Sinwar out to be the good guy
|here, that's wild. Like Bibi ain't shit, but holy shit.
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|For that reason, I don't know why Israel entertains negotiations
|with these terrorists. They always make Israel look bad and will
|not give the hostages back anyways.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Because Biden is forcing them to negotiate with terrorists. The
|US would have never negotiated with Al Qaeda.
|u/Apep86 - 1 month
|
|They did and it turned out terribly.
|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Al Qaeda is not the same as the Taliban, but I get your
|point.
|u/StanGable80 - 1 month
|
|They broke the last ceasefire within hours and antisemites still were
|mad at Jews for not trusting them in any future deals, so don’t expect
|much from another ceasefire deal they want
|u/anis_mitnwrb - 1 month
|
|the statement from Hamas says they've already accepted the proposal
|outlined by UN Security Council Resolution 2735. the UNSC resolution
|says Israel accepted that proposal as well, so Hamas is saying until
|steps towards a ceasefire are implemented, based on that resolution,
|there's nothing to negotiate but obviously there's details such as
|timing and logistics that still need worked out. I think they
|cancelled so that Iran doesn't have an excuse to avoid the retaliation
|strike
|u/Full_Cauliflower_393 - 1 month
|
|> I think they cancelled so that Iran doesn't have an excuse to
|avoid the retaliation strike Or so that Iran and Hezbollah aren't
|blamed for disrupting peace negotiations with their attacks.
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|Yep, that was very shrewd of the Ayatollah. Now he can seem like
|he tried to work with the West, but it's evil US and Evil Israel
|fault that things felt through. Edit: ~~Iran/Hamas propaganda
|network~~ CNN is already running headlines saying Sinwar wants a
|deal, but Bibi is the problem
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|An Israeli citizen was shot and badly injured by a terrorist a few hours
|ago. It is now being reported that the terrorist was released last
|November as part of the hostage deal. Edit: had an unfortunate typo
|there... Moving on.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|This is so messed up.
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|Just so everyone is clear cause I'm sure 9/10 of you are but for the
|odd one out, they're not investigating and they don't care, this
|information is being released to put more pressure on the families of
|the hostages and the Israeli government.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Yeah that last sentence reads like a bog standard Western corporate
|response to any unfortunate event lol. Nothing's gonna come out of
|it given that this is well... Hamas we're talking about.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Fucking monsters.
|u/money_mase19 - 1 month
|
|wtf?
|u/rrrand0mmm - 1 month
|
|Sounds like the US police trying to investigate themselves.
|u/dnial387 - 1 month
|
|rocket alarms in the north
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Hagari press conference at 20:30 Israel time (approx 40 minutes from
|now).
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Thanks for the update!
|u/michaelNXT1 - 1 month
|
|Anything special happened today that I missed or is it going to be an
|announcement to keep calm for the next 24 hours?
|u/Tersphinct - 1 month
|
|Probably just reiterating safety orders, letting people know about
|how large of a window they have to respond to sirens, and generally
|letting people know they got this.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Idk. There's a lot of rumours going around on Twitter rn that Iran
|is preparing for an attack, previous assessments by US intelligence
|suggested that Iran would attack on Tisha B'av which started
|tonight. The next 24hrs are crucial.
|u/YoRt3m - 1 month
|
|Basically, he made a press conference to say "nothing has changed". a
|lot of people spread misinformation and the media is doing a HORRIBLE
|job. so maybe it's needed. maybe in 3 hours he will say "ugh guys,
|forget what I said, we're under attack". anyway, nothing has changed.
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/Apex_WW/status/1823107576667803831?t=YWMFY0Pt-
|Fx6Lx5d-rPDag&s=19 This never ends!
|u/michaelNXT1 - 1 month
|
|Starting a bet which one comes first: * The Winds of Winter * Grand
|Theft Auto VI * The Iranian attack Place your bets.
|u/shryne - 1 month
|
|Replace GTA VI with Half Life Three and you have the trifecta of
|never happening
|u/gifred - 1 month
|
|You could be surprised [https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRu
|mours/comments/1eo1b2w/we\_might\_get\_halflife\_3\_news\_on\_sept
|ember\_30/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comment
|s/1eo1b2w/we_might_get_halflife_3_news_on_september_30/)
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|GTA 6, at least that has a month/date set for release.    GRRM is
|enjoying that HBO money too much to finish the damn books. Iran just
|likes to torture people psychologically. 
|u/CapitalJeep1 - 1 month
|
|Well, at least you didn’t add Half Life 3 to the mix
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|This says that the attack will not happen tonight, but all other
|reports expect it to happen either this week, could be tomorrow, could
|be Friday, could be the Iranians deciding to really fuck with people
|(which is part of their strategy)
|u/Jealous_Reindeer8422 - 1 month
|
|Thank god
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|>GAZA NEGOTIATORS BELIEVE THEY HAVE A CEASEFIRE-FOR-HOSTAGES DEAL READY
|TO GO; TALKS IN CAIRO NEXT WEEK ARE AIMED AT CONCLUDING A DEAL - SENIOR
|ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL
|https://x.com/steveholland1/status/1824512492665704667 I'm taking it
|with a grain of salt until it actually happens.
|u/MandoAviator - 1 month
|
|But it’s in all caps….
|u/SereneTryptamine - 1 month
|
|I want to believe
|u/SHEEEIIIIIIITTTT - 1 month
|
|Where have I heard this one before 🤔
|u/ThePoliticalFurry - 1 month
|
|Iran being privy to this would explain why Israel and the US observed
|them seeming to decrease the readiness of their missile forces a few
|hours ago They're hoping for the ceasefire to happen so they can
|quietly sweep any ideas of starting a war with Israel under the rug
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|> US observed them seeming to decrease the readiness of their
|missile forces a few hours ago Source? This is a bold claim. I
|don't believe it unless I see evidence.
|u/Cheesey-Boureka - 1 month
|
|Unfriendly reminder for anyone here that still thinks the elected
|government of Gaza, Hamas, cares about the innocent civilians you boycot
|coffee for. [A recorded interview with Mousa Abu Marzouk, Hamas
|Official, openly saying that the tunnels that could have saved innocent
|lives aren't open to civilians, that Hamas has zero interest in
|civilians lives, and that it's Israel and the UN's responsibility to
|save Gazans. ](https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-mousa-abu-
|marzouk-tunnels-gaza-protect-fighters-%20not-civilians)
|u/Technical_Duck4205 - 1 month
|
|Any population that openly supports terrorism doesn't care about
|"innocent" civilians.
|u/American-Punk-Dragon - 1 month
|
|If I am a Palestinian and I am young and angry, a single man-child…and
|I insisted on dying for no good reason, I would at least angle my
|effort AT Hamas to get them out of there. Instead….they blame Israel
|and die for nothing other than hate.
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1823209124483715379?t=Du2KJV6H5wbh1cw
|D_NLqUA&s=19 Not sure how common this is
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|I mean him visiting is normal. Him visiting while we are within the 24
|hour window to expect an attack from Iran is noteworthy.
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|Do you think he's trying to push through an 11th hour backing down
|or something else?
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|Well the US has held a consistent stance over the last two weeks
|of trying to get Iran to back down - via diplomatic efforts and
|military presence. That hasn't stopped. The US is not going to
|tell Israel to back down if Iran follows through with a strike
|that causes significant damage - in fact, they'd be likely to
|join. It strikes me as a planning meeting, and perhaps
|discussing Gaza ceasefire developments. But the timing of Tisha
|B'Av definitely stands out. Iran is going to be extra careful with
|any response if an American dignitary is present. Though a good
|chance he will be staying in Jerusalem which is the one place we
|can already count on Iran to try to avoid. The last thing they
|want is to accidentally blow up Al-Aqsa or take out a heavily
|Muslim neighborhood.
|u/Upset-Witness2206 - 1 month
|
|There were missiles sent to Jerusalem in April.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|That video of iron dome interceptions over the dome of the
|rock was super hilarious. Iran: "we are going to liberate Al
|Aqsa from the Israelis!!!" *Meanwhile the scene at Al Aqsa,
|Iranian missiles being shot down by the Israeli iron dome*
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|Major cyber attack in Iran, targeting the banking system. Major
|disruptions throughout the country.
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1823031493553217620?t=NaGuDkLWllv769Flfq
|vvzw&s=19 Is this the same old news? Or is this something more?
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|It's being reported elsewhere too. But it's not to much a surprise.
|Everyone knows that if something is happening - its happening in the
|next 24 hours.
|u/benushka - 1 month
|
|Rumor has it no changes to home front command tonight
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|I suspect we won't get any changes unless they can confirm an
|exact time, and even then it may only be a couple hours in
|advance. I mean the public is already instinctively in survival
|mode - staying near shelters, stocking up on supplies, and what
|not. Any updates from home front would just be informational at
|this point.
|u/epicredditdude1 - 1 month
|
|This seems to be a new development and it’s being taken seriously by
|Israel.  I just got a WSJ alert that Israel is putting its military on
|high alert in response.
|u/ElasticCrow393 - 1 month
|
|After 10 months of following Hamas' psychological warfare on hostages,
|here's what you need to know: If they don't say names, they're lying If
|they say names, worry. Bodies bare-chested and faces covered, hostages
|captured already dead on 7.10.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|[In joint statement, US, France, Germany, Italy, UK express support for
|Israel against Iranian
|threat](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/in-joint-statement-
|us-france-germany-italy-uk-express-support-for-israel-against-iranian-
|threat/)
|u/relatively-correct - 1 month
|
|"all five countries also express support for Israel against any
|Iranian threat."  What do they think HAMAS and Hezbollah are? Why
|has the support been inconsistent since October 7? They've all right
|guerilla armies, what is happening in Gaza is nothing new to these
|countries.  Are where is Canada? Spain? The Scandinavian countries?
|They've all faced terrorism. Have they forgotten?
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/1823072334644936904 For all those that
|were commenting on that random Arabic X account post that said “2:00”,
|it’s not an official account.  No one knows when they’re gonna attack.
|At this point I wouldn’t believe any prediction or theory.  The word
|“imminent” has become such a generalized term now that it could mean
|tomorrow, 3 days from now or fucking next week. 
|u/epicredditdude1 - 1 month
|
|Is there any way to verify whether its an official account or not?
|Right now it looks like we just have two people on twitter making
|claims as to its authenticity, but I have no idea which account is
|more trustworthy.
|u/ben02015 - 1 month
|
|Whether it’s official or not, it’s not trustworthy. The same account
|said “1:20” back in April. That was a few days before the attack.
|The attack didn’t happen at 1:20. Just treat it as random numbers.
|u/epicredditdude1 - 1 month
|
|Yeah that's a good way to look at it.
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|I would say at this point take anything posted on Twitter with a
|MASSIVE grain of salt. That fucking shithole of a site has become
|of pissfest of dooming neckbeards and unhinged sociopathic rage. 
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|It’s scary how much Elon Musk has fucked up his $44 billion
|purchase. If I were him I would have severe buyers remorse. But
|I’m not the richest man in the world so what would I know..
|u/UnitedLab6476 - 1 month
|
|Hamas rejects deal: ​
|https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/hamas-officials-reject-
|new-conditions-in-proposed-gaza-deal/
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|As expected. No one should give the hostage families false hope.
|u/dnial387 - 1 month
|
|American sources are saying we shouldn't take Hamas official
|statements as true because they are under a lot pressure (source:
|N12), honestly it sounds pretty stupid but yea....
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|What is this? Racism of low expectations? Folks need to believe
|Hamas more and take them at their word. ETA if it wasn't obvious.
|Hamas, specifically Hamas leadership in Gaza, aka Sinwar, are the
|ones that need to agree to the deal because they are the ones that
|will find and release the hostages from where they're hiding them.
|If they don't agree to it, how are the hostages supposed to go back?
|u/dnial387 - 1 month
|
|True and real.
|u/yeshaya86 - 1 month
|
|Did Hamas actually decrease their death count from the Al Tabeen strike
|from 100 to 40? Heard they did and a Bloomberg article said as much, but
|then heard that Bloomberg undid that update so I have no idea what's
|going on
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|The amount of arguing over the statistics regarding the attack on X
|was mindblowing. So hard to know what is true anymore.
|u/obaming16 - 1 month
|
|5.5 magnitude earthquake in Syria/Jordan
|u/I-Am-Uncreative - 1 month
|
|Right after the one in California! Coincidence? Almost certainly.
|u/gloryjessrock - 1 month
|
|earth gonna earth
|u/MrManager17 - 1 month
|
|It's God telling everyone to knock it off.
|u/Randomnesse - 1 month
|
|They gonna blame it on "secret Jewish tectonic weapons"
|u/cmndr_keen - 1 month
|
|At least that's not from a nuclear test..
|u/Darkangel220822 - 1 month
|
|And Lebanon! Yup. That's Hashem giving them a warning. They have been
|messing around and testing his patience for far FAR too long. Now it's
|their turn to start finding out just what happens if you anger the G-D
|of Israel. Let's GO! 
|u/nugz85 - 1 month
|
|Lol
|u/michaelas10sk8 - 1 month
|
|[Same guy the NYT wrote a welcome home piece for when he was released.
|](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/26/world/middleeast/palestinian-
|prisoner-freed-west-bank.html)
|u/Domilakko - 1 month
|
|Yet, most Israelis want a deal. And that November deal saw the
|release of over 100 hostages - unless the released palestinians kill
|100+ Israelis (so far they have killed zero), the payoff remains
|positive.
|u/PursuerOfCataclysm - 1 month
|
|Hezbollah keeps firing rocket at empty fields and sometimes killing
|innocent arabs while Israel keep taking their terrorist commander and
|their obnoxious soldier down one by one.
|u/jaroborzita - 1 month
|
|Why does Israel want new F15s when the F35 is the same price?
|u/Mr_Engineering - 1 month
|
|The Strike Eagle and Eagle 2 are capable of carrying some payloads
|that the F-35 can't carry, such as the GBU-28 which Israel uses to
|punch into underground bunkers and tunnel systems. The Strike Eagle
|and Eagle 2 are also two-seater aircraft whereas the F-35 has only a
|single aviator. This allows the F-15E/EX to perform missions on its
|own that the F-35 would generally have to perform as a part of a team.
|The F-15E/EX also has greater internal fuel capacity to allow for
|longer combat ranges without requiring in-air refueling. The F-35 can
|obtain a decent range with the use of drop tanks but that negates much
|of its stealth and maneuverability. Deep strike and interdiction
|missions are still better suited to the F-15E/EX in many cases.
|u/jaroborzita - 1 month
|
|Thanks
|u/das_thorn - 1 month
|
|The F-15EX has something like half the per flight hour cost and three
|times the flight hour lifespan. It's much more cost efficient once
|your F-35s have annihilated enemy air defense. It also carries *a lot*
|of munitions, which can be effectively loaned to nearby F-35s giving
|targeting data on their behalf.
|u/Wermys - 1 month
|
|F-15 are still some of the best fighters in the world. And they can
|be datalinked with current gear so they can essentially be
|missile/bomb carriers for F-35's. So it allows them to bring in
|Airframes they are familiar with retire old airframes and have
|existing infrastructure already in place.
|u/Keyframe - 1 month
|
|If it's F-15EX Eagle II.. my man, that's a hellcat.
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|The 35 is what I like to call a combo model, while the 15 is focused
|on air superiority
|u/epicredditdude1 - 1 month
|
|Does anyone get annoyed that the media keeps pushing the phrase
|"ceasefire" when discussing the cessation of hostilities? We're looking
|at a surrender scenario here, not a ceasefire. Hamas, in ALL
|conventional senses, has lost the war. Having a mediated ceasefire in
|these battlefield conditions would be absolutely unprecedented. It's
|time for Hamas to surrender and release the hostages. Enough of this
|silly "ceasefire" talk. Why should Israel, after defeating Hamas in all
|senses of the word, be expected to participate in a negotiated
|ceasefire? The war is over, Hamas lost.
|u/uncannyfjord - 1 month
|
|A lot of people working in media (even mainstream media) are privately
|rooting for Hamas.
|u/Playful-Contest-8526 - 1 month
|
|What I don’t understand is all these nations calling for an immediate
|ceasefire and release of hostages…. If that happened no one addresses
|the fact that Hamas has said they will repeat 10.7 over and over again
|with the goal of killing as many Jews as possible. How do other
|countries expect Israel to accept that? No one ever offers a solution
|I feel like, they just want to take the chance that that can’t happen
|any time soon and deal with it later?! It’s insane bc if it was any of
|these other countries they wouldn’t accept a ceasefire until The
|threat was eliminated.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|>How do other countries expect Israel to accept that? Because those
|countries don't think Jewish lives matter. They don't care that
|there will be another Oct. 7 if Hamas survives.
|u/Any_Ambassador1119 - 1 month
|
|I wouldn't say they have lost but they're are obviously losing. Their
|supply lines have been cut off with the only option of gaining their
|weapons is by a ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli troops from
|the philidelphi corridor. Currently it's a war of attrition. Hamas
|are now in a seige they cant outlast (in terms of arms). The ideology
|will remain for a long time, but their ability to inflict terror is
|greatly reduced and is being eroded. I do not see Israel giving up the
|philidelphi corridor under any circumstances, and Hamas can only sit
|and wait as their weapons stores run dry.
|u/SparchCans - 1 month
|
|Hamas still has leverage over Israel in the form of the hostages. If
|there was no hostages there would be no negotiations of any kind.
|u/be_a_duck - 1 month
|
|Hamas hasn't lost the war yet. Sinwar is still able to control the
|remaining battalions and has surrounded himself with living hostages.
|He refused to participate in any future negotiations and has declared
|himself the absolute leader of Hamas. It will take about a week after
|the IDF leaves Gaza for Hamas to reestablish its grip on the strip.
|The war is far from over.
|u/StanGable80 - 1 month
|
|How is he able to control them?
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|I wish they would call it what Hamas always called every ceasefire
|which is "Hudna" Hudna means a **temporary ceasefire for the purposes
|of reorganizing and rearming before resuming combat** Every
|"ceasefire" with Hamas was always presented on the other side with the
|word "Hudna" which is why no one ever had any fantasies about peace,
|it was always equal to a boxer asking for a timeout so he could catch
|his breath.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|If the Western idiots blindly supporting Palestine actually
|understood Arabic and the nuances of words that get lost in
|translations, the world would be a very different place lol.
|u/AnxiousPeanut1990 - 1 month
|
|I'd tell you to say louder for the people in the back but they
|don't want to hear it.
|u/West_Point_5225 - 1 month
|
|I wish I could say the war is over, but I think is very impt for IDF
|to get Sinwar before their supporters see it that way.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|It would be a huge morale hit for the IDF and an enormous boost to
|Hamas to leave Sinwar free before this is over. You'll be hard
|pressed to find people on either side of the political spectrum who
|don't feel he should be bombed to kingdom come the second his face
|emerges from a tunnel. If he manages to move to Qatar and claim
|his million dollar penthouse - he won.
|u/money_mase19 - 1 month
|
|well hamas may have lost the conventional sense, even if its not over
|yet. now, maintaining the area and the ideological parts are the
|issue
|u/anis_mitnwrb - 1 month
|
|it's not a conventional war, though. the vietcong and the taliban lost
|the conventional wars too. they still won the guerrilla and PR wars.
|and it's undeniable Israel has devastatingly lost the PR war by trying
|to force a military victory in a guerrilla war (which they were warned
|would be the case back in October)
|u/-Ch4s3- - 1 month
|
|The Taliban didn’t even win the guerrilla war. They weren’t able to
|come back until after the US left unilaterally.
|u/Equal_Present_3927 - 1 month
|
|Did the Viet Cong lose the conventional war?  The US pulled out and
|they reunited Vietnam with their government. 
|u/ConsiderationBig540 - 1 month
|
|Yes. The Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese were never a serious
|threat to the U.S. military. They just didn't stop fighting.
|Pursuing the war damaged the U.S. economy and its standing in the
|world.
|u/ComradeGibbon - 1 month
|
|The Pro-Palestinian left like the anti-abortion right cares more about
|imposing a moral pecking order with them on the top than they care
|about the actual issue.
|u/Berly653 - 1 month
|
|And end up alienating their ‘allies’ in the process  For example
|groups like BLM are realizing that their support is one way. Anyone
|who doesn’t prioritize a war in the Middle East over literally
|everything else is irrelevant to them Never mind the fact that
|Arabs had a 1400 year long slave trade that put the Europeans to
|shame. And obviously the “Gays for Gaza” doesn’t really need to be
|explained 
|u/TheDieCast390 - 1 month
|
|They actually did show up at the RNC, but it was kind of pathetic. I
|guess they were saving their strength to really bully the Democrats
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|>they're only helping Trump win That's their goal. Don't forget that
|those protesters are astroturf organized by Russia, Iran and China.
|They would love nothing more than a Trump presidency which will
|severely weaken the US and destroy its reputation and alliances. The
|protesters have an agenda and it's an anti-American agenda. Don't
|take my word for it. They admit it themselves when they burn American
|flags and call for the overthrow of the US government. We already
|know Trump intends to abandon NATO and Taiwan. He will likely abandon
|Israel too in exchange for a bribe. He is the most corrupt president
|in US history and he will sell out all of our allies and cozy up to
|the dictators and tyrants he admires.
|u/wtshiz - 1 month
|
|Only clarification I'd add is that they care about destabilizing the
|west, not about Trump winning. Chaos is what they want. Trump
|winning gives them that, but so does him not accepting losing, and
|the more disinfo and distrust they can stir up in the process the
|better. It seems like it should be *obvious* to anyone with an iota
|of critical thinking ability that both the MAGgots and the
|progressives have been fully copted and are useful idiots.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|I agree, they have no love for Trump. They just want him to win
|for the chaos he brings.
|u/Another-Chance - 1 month
|
|I don't think most American's care much about the issue. It will be
|pushed by the right, cause they are, well...not bright.
|u/Berly653 - 1 month
|
|Except isn’t it literally being pushed by the far left with the
|whole march on the DNC?
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|The next 48 hours feel really critical
|u/Cheesey-Boureka - 1 month
|
|Tbh, I'm just ready for the Islamic Regime to shit or get off the pot.
|This threat has been more of an inconvenience than a worry. I'm ready
|to open back up my apartment's shelter window shutters again and for
|people to stop asking "When is Iran gonna bomb yall?"
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|I agree with you very much here. I would feel nervous if we still
|hear crickets after 48 hours.
|u/Cheesey-Boureka - 1 month
|
|I hope your family stays safe during these next few hours, though,
|if you here or have family here. ❤️ This whole thing has been
|annoying as hell but my heart still goes out to you and yours.
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|It feels like a calm before the storm now that the Olympics are
|over.
|u/That-Pomegranate-615 - 1 month
|
|Every time i see the news i change my mind about whether Iran will
|attack or not one minute its seems they will the next they wont. One
|minute its any time now the next maybe next week. What do people think
|the chances are now and for when they may attack if they do?
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Iran is spreading disinformation designed to have this effect on you.
|Their goal was to confuse us and it worked on some people. I still
|have no doubt they will attack. It's only a question of when and how
|big the attack will be. As long as the US keeps rushing warships to
|the region, we can assume that the US government thinks the threat is
|credible and imminent.
|u/That-Pomegranate-615 - 1 month
|
|The ceasefire talks that are ongoing do they have an end date or is it
|just when everyone gets angry and goes home?
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|I’m wondering the same thing. Blinken is supposed to visit Israel
|Sunday and meet with Netanyahu on Monday, where he is expected to lean
|hard on him according to the Times of Israel. To me, that sounds like
|they aren’t expecting a resolution this weekend.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|The hostage deal is just the PR part of Blinken's deal, they're
|almost certainly going to discuss the elephant in the room: Iran.
|Blinken did not mince his words a couple of weeks ago when he said
|that the US would not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon, and with
|the (supposedly) impending Iranian attack on Israel and the metric
|fuckton of firepower the US has deployed to the region something
|interesting is about to happen. Afaik, Blinken also visited Israel a
|few days before the Iranian attack in April.
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|I wish these news aggregate accounts such as Faytuks wouldn’t leave out
|some secondary details to articles that give more details.  In the
|recent axios article it also says this:  “The internal debate in Iran
|continues and it is possible that Iranian decision-making will still
|change, one source with direct knowledge of the intelligence said.” 
|“The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps is pushing for a more severe and
|broader response than Iran's April 13 attack on Israel, but the new
|Iranian president and his advisers believe a regional escalation now
|wouldn't serve Iran's interests, the source said.”
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|The president doesn't make the decisions there. Khamenei does.
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|I know that, I'm just adding the context that the debate is still
|going on in Iran.
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|Given this development and Hamas' actions, it seems to me that this
|whole thing has been a gambit by Iran to delay build-up and allow them
|the better hand to strike.
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|Has anyone else seen more African Americans realizing pro Palestininians
|Arabs are also racist, in addition to being antisemitic? From my view,
|it started when pro pals were getting mad that folks were getting
|excited to vote for Kamala Harris? They said stuff like you aren't
|allowed to choose who to vote for and called folks a fake ally for
|choosing Harris. And they have to put Gaza issues above their own. And
|black Americans, especially, took issue with that because a trump
|presidency would take away their rights, and understandably they don't
|want to do that. The responses from mostly Arab pro pals were not great.
|It just made it more apparent that the pro pal leaders are racist
|against black people too. It seems to have been going on for a week or
|so. Not sure how big of a trend of it is. But it's an interesting watch.
|It's a reminder. If someone is a rabid antisemite, there's not much
|stopping them from being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. They didn't
|need a reason to hate the Jews, they won't need a reason to hate you.
|u/lfpod - 1 month
|
|Yup I’ve been following the drama and it’s pretty funny. They’re
|realizing that the effort they put into supporting Palestine isn’t
|being reciprocated at all, and they are pissed that the pro-palis
|expect them to vote against their own interests for the sake of
|solidarity with Palestine. It’s gross. Should someone tell them
|about how the black slave trade in Arab countries is still alive and
|well?
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|Do you have any links of this drama? Curious to read.
|u/lfpod - 1 month
|
|I put a few links below.
|u/TheColourOfHeartache - 1 month
|
|Where can I follow this drama?
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|This guy posts a lot about it. https://x.com/mistergeezy
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|Hm not seeing anything
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|Yeah I guess he tweets a lot about other things. Here's some
|relating to my comment.
|https://x.com/mistergeezy/status/1823900155218677768
|https://x.com/mistergeezy/status/1823320712829923329
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|Wow. Thanks Found this
|https://youtu.be/7Fryaqhqgro?si=_Sl8xsWDOZ4GcR8g
|u/isotoph_ - 1 month
|
|I feel like this happens every time there’s a big dust up. Everyone
|“bands together” in unity until they gradually figure out the unity is
|shallow and the promise of social capital isn’t enough to hand-wave
|feeling like you’re being spat on and told not to notice. It happened
|with BLM, you’re seeing it happen with Palestine protestors ( I’ll
|take your word for it, I ditched everyone and everything.)  I don’t
|know what any answers are, I feel disappointed by absolutely
|everything.
|u/imsnagglepusseven - 1 month
|
|To quote my West Bank friend "black is black". I don't agree, and I
|am a strong Israel supporter.
|u/Nutmeg92 - 1 month
|
|I don’t get those who defend a potential Iranian attack saying it’s
|justified retaliation. It’s like if, when Russia attempted to kill
|people in the uk, the British government had thrown a volley of rockets
|to mainland Russia
|u/GrassyTreesAndLakes - 1 month
|
|Kill a world renowned terrorist* in the UK
|u/Cptn_Canada - 1 month
|
|Russia did do that...
|u/YoRt3m - 1 month
|
|Just came here to say that the Iranian threats to attack Israel are very
|effective and Israeli people are either very eager to get it done
|already, or we're bored to death
|u/languidnbittersweet - 1 month
|
|On a personal level, what's most annoying to me is that my SO has a
|delicious bag of granola amongst the groceries she's stashed in the
|ma'mad (it's like a small room that functions as a bomb shelter) that
|she won't let me get at until this whole thing has passed.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|where was said delicious bag of granola acquired?
|u/languidnbittersweet - 1 month
|
|ויקטורי
|u/Lipush - 1 month
|
|אכזריות ברמת ליל סדר
|u/LoxicTizard - 1 month
|
|I sent my husband to fill gas in the car last week and he was
|grumbling and saying that I'm overreacting. Goddamnit, if Iran
|doesn't attack I might have to do what I fear most and tell him he was
|right.
|u/American-Punk-Dragon - 1 month
|
|The true terror in relationships; admission of correctness!
|u/LoxicTizard - 1 month
|
|Maybe this is the kind of terrorism Khamenei is going for? I mean,
|I could deal with rockets, but this is one step too far.
|u/Lipush - 1 month
|
|לולז
|u/Lipush - 1 month
|
|WHy nOt BoTh?
|u/sociologyplease111 - 1 month
|
|This is the first time we’ve heard about the hostages from Hamas for a
|few months. I didn’t watch the video, was it weirdly produced like the
|old ones, or just the Hamas spokesman talking straight to the camera?
|u/ElasticCrow393 - 1 month
|
|message from telegram, no names or photos
|u/progress18 - 1 month
|
|[Previous thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1ejk0yx/rw
|orldnews_live_thread_for_israelhamas_war_thread/)
|u/Luckoduck - 1 month
|
|Someone educate me - did the Iron dome malfunction or is it not wired to
|intercept missiles that are headed toward empty land?
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|It's designed to ignore missiles that hit empty land. That way it's
|harder to overwhelm the system and it saves lots of money.
|u/ThePoliticalFurry - 1 month
|
|They operate in a specific way that they don't even try to intercept
|missiles/rockets that are projected to hit empty land
|u/Popular-Teach1715 - 1 month
|
|This is a potentially dumb question, but how do they know that the
|land is empty? Like, even if it's a field, what if there's someone
|walking on it, kids playing, or a farmer tending to their crops,
|something like that?
|u/sparrowtaco - 1 month
|
|> Like, even if it's a field, what if there's someone walking on
|it, kids playing, or a farmer tending to their crops, something
|like that? Air raid sirens and hope for the best.
|u/nerevar__reborn - 1 month
|
|Israelis for the most part know how Iron Dome works. During a time
|of war we know to avoid open places because there is no Iron Dome
|defense.
|u/Enterprise-NCC1701-D - 1 month
|
|I would think when they say empty field, they actually mean one
|that's not near any populated area. So while you can't guarantee
|it's empty you can say most likely no one should be there. At
|least that's my guess anyway.
|u/Background-Alps7553 - 1 month
|
|They have a detailed map of every structure in the country, with
|heights, because it's needed for helicopter operation planning,
|and, by now, probably thermal maps because it's needed for missile
|guidance. The USA military started this with terrain mapping and
|it was no secret then. They've mapped the whole earth.
|u/ThePoliticalFurry - 1 month
|
|Hopefully they would've gotten a missile notification on something
|and ran for cover
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|Here's a video showing the iron dome working on the incoming missiles.
|https://x.com/israelwarroom/status/1822782303887843547 The Iron Dome
|doesn't stop missiles headed for open land. Probably that's the
|reports you're hearing? But it looks like the Iron Dome worked
|tonight.
|u/Luckoduck - 1 month
|
|That’s exactly it, appreciate it
|u/Titan-uranus - 1 month
|
|Not an expert. Just watch a lot of YouTube, they're usually only set
|up to cover certain zones, just takes to make units to cover an entire
|area, so if they know a missile is headed toward empty land, they can
|save the ammo for another missile headed for a building
|u/Baron_Saturn - 1 month
|
|I havent checked out what happened yet in detail, but just from what I
|know on how things work - Iron Dome can only intercept certain types
|of attacks which is why Israel has two other kinds of defense system
|for other stuff and if an attack isnt going to hit anything they dont
|waste ammo intercepting because its a waste. From what I read so far
|on the recent attack several just hit open areas, in which case there
|wouldnt be any need to intercept those ones, which may have been what
|you were watching.
|u/Luckoduck - 1 month
|
|Thanks I appreciate it, yeah I couldn’t really tell because it’s not
|been covered by US media yet (that I’ve seen) and there’s many fake
|news posts on Twitter about it, some using videos from Ukraine as
|though it was Israel being bombed
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|# Iran officials indicate attack on Israel may be put off, happen only
|if truce talks fail
|https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/iranian-officials-indicate-
|attack-on-israel-may-only-come-if-ceasefire-talks-fail/ Only a
|ceasefire deal in Gaza stemming from hoped-for talks this week will hold
|Iran back from direct retaliation against Israel for the assassination
|of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh on its soil, three senior
|Iranian officials say, appearing to scale back its previously reported
|intention to attack before Thursday’s talks.…
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|Iran is just fucking with people and it seems it will attack then
|because Hamas is not negotiating in good faith.
|u/BigPnrg - 1 month
|
|They're buying time. I worry what for.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|I don't trust anything they say.
|u/Ok_Machine_2916 - 1 month
|
|So when the talks inevitably officially fall apart, what will Israel
|do to mitigate the threat from Iran?
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Nothing because Biden won't let them.
|u/Upset-Witness2206 - 1 month
|
|https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-814535 Apparently Iran
|says a cease fire in Gaza could delay their attack on israel. Does this
|mean they'll wait until after the summit on Thursday?
|u/CastMeAway7 - 1 month
|
|At this point, I think they are just trying to keep everyone guessing.
|They might not even attack this month or in the next 3 months. We
|just know they will eventually respond in some capacity.
|u/petty_brief - 1 month
|
|More like they're trying to get their ducks in a row so they don't
|embarrass themselves so badly this time.
|u/MrWorshipMe - 1 month
|
|We know they're planning to attack eventually - they have a clock in
|Tehran counting down to the destruction of Israel. And they said it
|was just a deadline, and that Israel could be eliminated before it
|gets to zero.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|It means nothing because they lie all the time. You can't trust
|anything they say.
|u/Berly653 - 1 month
|
|Kind of sad that Iran and Sinwar know the media will just eat this up
|at face value So that somehow Israel will be to blame for the
|‘needless escalation’ when they don’t meet Sinwar’s insane demands for
|a complete withdrawal BEFORE negotiations begin 
|u/ThePoliticalFurry - 1 month
|
|It seems like Iran is trying really hard to talk themselves out of the
|attack and looking for any excuse they can to delay or scrub it
|u/Cmonlightmyire - 1 month
|
|"Hold me back bro" energy right there
|u/--ThirdEye-- - 1 month
|
|It seems like they're behaving like true terrorists AKA news media.
|Make everyone terrified of what might happen and keep them in a
|state of perpetual terror and paralysis.
|u/CrispyMiner - 1 month
|
|They just keep delaying it and delaying it
|u/SimpleWire - 1 month
|
|IDF closing off southern areas as Iranian attack looms. I personally
|feel like Israel knows (or has solid intelligence) an attack from Iran
|is coming very soon https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-
|war/2024-08-12/live-updates-814323
|u/citizennsnipps - 1 month
|
|The US has told their assets en route to pick up their pace.... So yea
|it sounds like something may be imminent. I wish all this would stop.
|u/Duckpoke - 1 month
|
|If anything, waiting for important dates of the adversary to
|strike rather than doing it on their own accord tells how immature
|of an enemy we are facing.
|u/Enterprise-NCC1701-D - 1 month
|
|Where are you hearing this?
|u/citizennsnipps - 1 month
|
|US news outlets. Nothing special. 
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1822914168623600051 It’s unrelated
|to the potential attack from Iran and Hezbollah. 
|u/M795 - 1 month
|
|"US decides not to restrict military aid to Israeli unit accused of
|human rights violations" https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/12/politics/us-
|idf-human-rights-violations
|u/CookieCuttr - 1 month
|
|Honestly, Iran wasting everyone's time like this is probably doing more
|damage than the actual attack at this point.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Nah. Israel and the US get more time to prepare defenses. The longer
|Iran waits, the more likely their attack will fail.
|u/aquamah - 1 month
|
|is this reddit live post updating automatically?
|u/American-Punk-Dragon - 1 month
|
|It’s not a live post, just pinned…
|u/YoRt3m - 1 month
|
|Iranian twitter page in arabic has made a funny tweet saying 2:00 (hour
|glass emoji) [https://x.com/iraninarabic\_ir/status/1823063410709557514
|](https://x.com/iraninarabic_ir/status/1823063410709557514)
|u/SometimesTea - 1 month
|
|There was just a follow up post saying, "All ready."
|https://x.com/iraninarabic_ir/status/1823071877558161870?t=IE9W1PVB-
|mVkRvNw00JYNg&s=19 Perhaps the most cringe worthy thing a soviergn
|state could do. My only hope is no loss of life in Israel and no
|escalation, but it looks like we may yet have a soviergn nation
|announce a regional conflict on fucking Twitter.
|u/FivesThe501stClone - 1 month
|
|They’re press releasing it so hard like it’s the Spider-Man: No Way
|Home Trailer craze back in late 2021 🤣
|u/YoRt3m - 1 month
|
|Maybe that's just a trailer for a video that will be released at 2am
|\*shrug\*
|u/Upset-Witness2206 - 1 month
|
|Who runs the account? This is the official iraninan account? 
|u/YoRt3m - 1 month
|
|I don't know. but 500k followers and it got the attention of some
|Israelis including my Twitter feed. mostly making fun of them for
|not really attacking. could be just a news outlet, or maybe a news
|outlet control by Iran in some way just for psychological warfare.
|According to their site, they're officially part of Iran [https://i
|raninarabic.net/page/%D9%85%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%86](https://iranin
|arabic.net/page/%D9%85%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%86) >The “Iran in
|Arabic” website is part of a comprehensive official Iranian media
|institution;
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|What account is that?
|u/obaming16 - 1 month
|
|If this ends up being true it’s probably in two hours
|u/epicredditdude1 - 1 month
|
|If their tweet saying it’ll be in 2 hours is true then it’ll
|probably be in 2 hours? Outstanding logical analysis.
|u/ben02015 - 1 month
|
|It could also mean 2:00 AM.
|u/epicredditdude1 - 1 month
|
|Ah true that’s a good point.  I can’t pass up an opportunity to
|be a smart ass though lol.
|u/CommitteeofMountains - 1 month
|
|Probably closer to three or four.
|u/Cheesey-Boureka - 1 month
|
| [Internet waiting for the attack ](https://imgur.com/gallery/charlie-
|conspiracy-ZESV9) [Israelis waiting on the attack
|](https://imgur.com/gallery/well-were-waiting-SY3rKiJ)
|u/Darkangel220822 - 1 month
|
|I'm in Israel. Right now people are getting bored and fed up. There is
|a tension in the air, but day to day life continues. My wife and I
|both want Iran and Hizbollah to just get it over and done with already
|so we can move on with our lives. Obviously we don't want to be
|attacked, but the moment it's over with is the moment we can just
|breathe again. We feel the same about a war with Hizbollah. We've been
|waiting since October last year with daily attacks (we live in the
|North close to the border), if there already had been a war maybe it
|would have finished by now. I'm fed up of the daily Hizbollah attacks.
|I just want it all to be over with already. 
|u/Cheesey-Boureka - 1 month
|
|Same. I'm in Israel too. This whole thing has been more of an
|inconvenience than an actual threat at this point. I don't want us
|to be attacked at all. I want everyone to be safe without their
|children being terrified by the sirens and loud booms they may or
|may not understand. But I'm also ready for it to just be over with.
|Get to it. Let's see the big act and show already. It's hard to
|keep up the psychological terror on a state that has been under
|constant attack for ten months. Just get to the fucking point.
|People are ready to stop hearing about it. Yallah. (I hope you
|and you family stay safe throughout this. ❤️❤️)
|u/Upset-Witness2206 - 1 month
|
|Under 12 hours left to Tisha baav.  seems unlikely they'll attack during
|the fast
|u/According_Habit_6690 - 1 month
|
|It already started, it’s morning of tisha Bav in Israel
|u/Popular-Teach1715 - 1 month
|
|Hoping for the best!
|u/calgary_db - 1 month
|
|It's more likely...
|u/Upset-Witness2206 - 1 month
|
|Why? Last time they attacked at night. They'd have to attack during
|the day to attack on 9 baav
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1823939174812025050 Oh jesus fucking
|christ, I just don’t care anymore if they attack or not.  Just bring on
|the consequences of Middle East regional war and get on with it! 
|u/callidoradesigns - 1 month
|
|It’s intentional- psychological warfare. But I share the same
|sentiment. I’d rather get it over with as this waiting game is
|mentally exhausting.
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|Interesting report: after a long period without tests, Iran is expected
|to soon conduct an experiment of detonating a warhead intended for a
|nuclear bomb , which they dream of producing The media channel ‘Iran
|International’, the opposition of the regime in Iran, reports three
|times from Iranian sources that Iran is expected to resume nuclear tests
|soon. The experiments will be carried out by a scientist named Saeed
|Borji who was under the command of the father of the Iranian nuclear
|program Mohsen Fahrizada who was shot dead on the outskirts of Tehran by
|the Mossad according to foreign publications in November 2020. Said
|Borji is one of the leaders in the Iranian nuclear project, and an
|expert in the field of the warhead for the nuclear bomb. Will we hear
|about his name soon? 🆃🅴🅻🅴🅶🆁🅰️🅼 @news_kodkodgroup
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|I really doubt that’s factual.
|u/Tersphinct - 1 month
|
|> detonating a warhead intended for a nuclear bomb What does that
|mean? A warhead without a nuclear core, just the bits that would
|detonate to make it go supercritical?
|u/senfgurke - 1 month
|
|Yes, essentially. Iran could test a basic gun-type bomb with minimal
|preparation but if they do eventually go ahead with a nuclear test
|they would probably want it to be of a device compact enough for
|missile delivery. That requires minimizing the amount of
|conventional explosives to achieve the needed level of compression.
|North Korea conducted a large number tests of high explosives in the
|early 2000s likely for this reason.
|u/-drunk_russian- - 1 month
|
|A warhead without radiological material.
|u/imgonnaeatcake - 1 month
|
|I'm not trying to defend extremist settlers, but why is it that whenever
|they do something, it gets a lot of attention right away? I barely see
|any coverage of Palestinian violence in the West Bank, which happens
|more often. Just a few days ago, there was a terror attack in Qalqilya,
|but hardly anyone talked about it.
|u/SundaySpieth - 1 month
|
|Because when you claim to be on the moral high ground you have to
|maintain it. Israel's right makes that a lot harder.
|u/turbocynic - 1 month
|
|Probabaly because in most democracies in the world there is a sense
|that govts should be able to stop large groups of their people rioting
|and killing. It's generally considered poor form.
|u/I-Am-Uncreative - 1 month
|
|Presumably because the settlers aren't punished while the Palestinian
|violence is. This is like asking why whenever police kill someone
|wrongfully, it gets a lot more attention than when random people do.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|They are punished though. Here's an example. [Israel arrests
|settlers after rampage on Palestinian village leaves 1
|dead](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-arrests-settlers-
|rampage-palestinian-village-leaves-1-dead-rcna98317)
|u/SparchCans - 1 month
|
|The real question is how many of the settlers will spend any time
|in jail. I think most will be quietly released when the news has
|died down.
|u/imgonnaeatcake - 1 month
|
|I don't quite get your analogy. Are you saying that if there was
|more emphasis on holding settlers accountable, people would finally
|start paying attention to Palestinian violence? Why isn’t there
|already focus on that violence?
|u/ComradeGibbon - 1 month
|
|Because Israel is in the US and European club the expectation is
|they are supposed to rein in those nutjobs.
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|So like, I need Iran and Hezbollah to lemme know if they attack or not,
|I’m supposed to be hosting a party next week and all of the ordering and
|canceling food is so inconvenient. What happened to sticking to
|deadlines?!
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|It’s psychological war that Iran is waging against Israelis and it’s
|especially cruel to the families of the hostages that are hoping for
|negotiations at the Summit on Thursday. Karina Ariev’s sister has
|called for Iran and Hellzbollah to get it over with so they can
|continue negotiations for the young women to return.
|https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/sister-of-captive-idf-
|soldier-says-she-wants-iran-to-get-it-over-with-already-so-hostage-
|deal-can-move-forward/#:~:text=Sasha%20Ariev%2C%20whose%20sister%20Kar
|ina,doesn’t%20interest%20us.%E2%80%9D
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|Yeah yeah I know, but like I would expect SOME consideration here.
|Let a girl plan a party in peace. I’m telling you back in the day
|murderous terrorist groups would send a letter ahead of any attack.
|No etiquette today smh
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|Continue to live your best life in peace and the rock star
|attitude you have.
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|Low key one of the best things that someone said to me online in
|a while. Thanks :)
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|Please let us know how the dinner party went after it happens
|& when you have time. Hope you, your friends & family stay
|safe friend.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|You telling me. My new job wont let me bring the doggo to work so
|I'd really appreciate some punctuality here Iran...
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|And they say hamas committed crimes against humanity. Send an
|appeal to ICJ about the dog. Unacceptable!!!!!!
|u/American-Punk-Dragon - 1 month
|
|Nothing will happen for negotiations….Hamas lives to kill Israel and
|Israel really needs them to stop wanting that.
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|>What happened to sticking to deadlines?! They haven't given any
|deadlines. Only other people's educated guesses.
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|Well that’s not polite as well now is it
|u/The_Naked_Buddhist - 1 month
|
|Can anyone clarify why the reason for Iranin aggression this time is? Is
|it the Hamas leader who was assassinated? This time delay and the
|threats they're making seem highly disproportionate to what was actually
|done. Am I missing something? Cause like to my knowledge Iran denies
|having ties to Hamas, so why behave this way then? The response last
|time was way less severe for something that would seem a worse
|transgression than now.
|u/Twofer-Cat - 1 month
|
|Iran hosted a leader of a major group and he was assassinated on their
|home soil. If they don't get revenge, they lose standing in the eyes
|of the various proxy groups all across the Middle East they've been
|building up for decades; would lose respect, influence, and maybe
|control of them. But they also know that if they do get revenge and
|they actually kill anyone this time, Israel has just proven they can
|target Iranian VIPs anywhere: whoever gives the order or countersigns
|it or who has a history of looking funny at Israel would be committing
|suicide by Mossad. So I figure they're trying to bluster as loud as
|possible to convince the other terrorist groups they really mean it,
|but who knows whether they're more afraid of alienating their proxies
|or of Israel bringing down the hammer hard this time. Could go either
|way.
|u/stayfrosty - 1 month
|
|And what are those groups going to do? They depend on Iran not the
|other way around. The losing respect part of this is way overblown.
|u/Twofer-Cat - 1 month
|
|What they'll do is the next time Iran tells them it's time to
|launch a major operation, in any context, they'll tell Iran to
|shove it, because Hamas launched an attack at Iran's direction and
|then Iran did nothing when they got taken apart like a cheap
|watch, even in the face of violation of Iran's own sovereignty.
|From the perspective of, say, the Houthis, it's great to get
|weapons from Iran, but not if the price is picking an unwinnable
|fight and then being left completely out to dry.
|u/Enough_About_Japan - 1 month
|
|Yes it was the Hamas leader who was the assassinated. I think it's the
|fact that it happened on Iranian soil while they were a guest of the
|government at the time. So Iran's taking it much more personally.
|u/StanGable80 - 1 month
|
|Just antisemitism, it’s always antisemitism
|u/Eheh00999 - 1 month
|
|Guys I bought the fucking alcohol for the dinner party. If the assholes
|in Iran or Lebanon do something before Friday I AM FUCKING SUING
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|Idk what this party is about but I hope you and everyone you're
|inviting have an amazing time!
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|Glad you are going ahead with the dinner party! I hope you guys have
|a great time!
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|[Iranian President Pezeshkian holds emergency talks with German and
|British leaders](https://www.intellinews.com/iranian-president-
|pezeshkian-holds-emergency-talks-with-german-and-british-
|leaders-338234/?source=iran) Not sure what to make of this. I thought
|the Iranian President had no powers and just takes orders from the
|Ayatollah. Looks like the new President and IRGC are against each other.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Or this is all theater and they want us to think they're undecided,
|divided, weak, etc. They're trying to convince Israel and the US to
|let their guard down.
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|Yeah that is one possibility too, President plays the good pacifist
|guy and the IRGC plays the bad aggressive one. All a facade.
|u/Hamblepants - 1 month
|
|I don't think this necessarily is all theater, I think it's *possible*
|there's genuine disagreement among Iran's leadership about how to
|proceed.
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|Yes that's possible, but isn't Iran a dictatorship? Hard to imagine
|someone going against the Ayatollah
|u/Hamblepants - 1 month
|
|Here's a possible scenario (where this is partly theater and
|partly not) - The Ayatollah needs to look strong, so can't say
|things like "I'm unsure if I'm going to retaliate against Israel
|or if that's wise." But he can get someone else who reports to him
|(everyone in Iran afaik) to pursue that idea as well as pursuing
|plans for retaliation (without pulling the trigger on this prong
|til all info's collected), and can make a better decision (for
|him/his goals, I don't mean a morally better decision) by
|exploring multiple avenues. He just can't directly explore the
|"not strong" looking avenue because he can't afford to look weak.
|So not entirely theater, just partly theater and for a specific
|(rational) reason. Not saying "this is definitely what's
|happening" just that it seems as possible as the "this is all
|theater to jerk around the non-insane-parts-of-the-West."
|u/turbocynic - 1 month
|
|"Not sure what to make of this." "Looks like the new President and
|IRGC are against each other." Should've stuck with your first
|impulse.
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|If you've nothing useful to say, don't say anything.
|u/peppypacer - 1 month
|
|Harris will give her acceptance speech on the final night of DNC next
|Thursday August 22, so I expect a lot of diplomatic pressure will be
|used on Israel by the Biden-Harris administration to reach a ceasefire
|agreement by then for obvious reasons.
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|If the deal falls apart, I really hope Biden and Harris chews out
|whoever is responsible for doing so publically.
|u/StanGable80 - 1 month
|
|I can tell you right now hamas doesn’t care about an actual deal
|u/The_Naked_Buddhist - 1 month
|
|Well Hamas has already rejected it so
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|Feels somewhat like Feb 2022, when there were a few initial reports
|about "Russia will invade Ukraine any moment now" sent out by US Intel,
|but didn't happen. They weren't false reports, just that Russia possibly
|put off the invasion to later. Eventually, it came to pass. Maybe
|that's what US/Israel Intel is doing now. They're calling out Iran for
|plans to attack. Eventually, it may come to pass.
|u/CommitteeofMountains - 1 month
|
|At some point, Israel should just pretaliate and see how many Iranian
|launch facilities it can take out.
|u/Cptn_Canada - 1 month
|
|Gotta wait for the sub and US carrier group.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|The Teddy Roosevelt strike group is already in the region though.
|They're waiting for the Abraham Lincoln to deploy and relieve the
|Teddy Roosevelt so she can go back home. But the US already has a
|fuckton of firepower in the region already.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|I'm starting to get curious how many more times Bibi will let Ben Gvir
|get away with dick slapping him in public. I mean sure the guy cares
|about keeping the coalition together to stay out of jail, but he is also
|extremely proud - and at some point it feels like those two things are
|going to hit an impasse.
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|He cared enough to make a statement about it
|u/ScratchAssSmellFingr - 1 month
|
|“Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?” -
|Reservoir Dogs
|u/Drakayne - 1 month
|
|Well, any news for when's iran going to "attack" Isreal? It's been like
|10 days now.
|u/Baron_Saturn - 1 month
|
|The original stated target date, the Jewish holiday of mourning, hasnt
|passed yet.
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|>The original stated target date Neither Iran nor Hezbollah said
|that themselves. It's just one of the high odds guesses and the
|more time passes the more likely it is to be right since previous
|guesses obviously ended up wrong.
|u/Panda_tears - 1 month
|
|That Monday right?
|u/Baron_Saturn - 1 month
|
|Monday night till Tuesday night
|u/owen__wilsons__nose - 1 month
|
|Its been reported that they have agreed to not attack Israel if
|Israel accepts a ceasefire. Likely negotiations are still pending. I
|don't have much hope both parties agree but i don't expect a
|decision has been made given these high level talks
|u/frosthowler - 1 month
|
|> Its been reported that they have agreed to not attack Israel if
|Israel accepts a ceasefire. If Israel withdraws from the Gaza
|Strip, which it is unlikely to do. And even if Iran drops that
|part of the demand, Hamas is demanding Marwan Barghouti is
|released, which will never happen.
|u/anis_mitnwrb - 1 month
|
|a better way to word it is they agree they will not be the reason
|there isn't a ceasefire. but if they become convinced a ceasefire
|won't happen anyway (which is likely) they will proceed
|u/HighburyOnStrand - 1 month
|
|Well, through their proxies they've been attacking at a low level for
|months and months, daring Israel to respond into Lebanon. The
|question is whether they escalate and force Israel's hand.
|u/Drakayne - 1 month
|
|Oh yeah i know, i was talking about a direct attack like the shit
|they did few months ago. (launching +200 rockets at Isreal if i
|remember correctly)
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|Not rockets, missiles. 120+ ballistic missiles, 30+ cruise
|missiles, 170+ drones.
|u/HighburyOnStrand - 1 month
|
|This. People ignore the fact that Israel has faced constant
|rocket and missile fire that would completely devastate a
|similarly sized country that did not have Israel's advanced
|missile defense infrastructure. These are attacks that have the
|potential to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths, but for
|Israel's significant investment in protecting their population.
|u/JackNoir1115 - 1 month
|
|Israel
|u/Swimming-Cupcake7041 - 1 month
|
| >>> isreal(complex(1, 1)) False
|u/anis_mitnwrb - 1 month
|
|no news and likely won't be much news. the issue is iran and hizballah
|have largely kept assets in a ready state since april. the odds are
|one of these days between now and the next few weeks, a lot of people
|will be feeling "huh. they actually did it"
|u/Rommel79 - 1 month
|
|NYT and CNN reported last week that Iran would launch an attack several
|hours after Hezbollah.
|u/Not_Cleaver - 1 month
|
|But is this the Hezbollah attack?
|u/ActiniumNugget - 1 month
|
|Looks like maybe Iran got cold feet... [https://www.ynetnews.com/art
|icle/hyaoaxucr](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hyaoaxucr)
|u/frosthowler - 1 month
|
|Probably diversion. Attack is either tonight or tomorrow night.
|Depends on if Iran paid attention.
|u/Lipush - 1 month
|
|Nah. This attack is happening and soon.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|>according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida I'm not buying it.
|This could be disinformation to get Israel to let its guard down.
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|> This could be disinformation to get Israel to let its guard down.
|Which thankfully Israel is not dumb enough to do and have instead
|continued to shore up defenses and planning.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Yep. Many Redditors, on the other hand, fell for it or are
|actively participating in this disinformation campaign.
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|It really does annoy me seeing people on Reddit confidently
|saying Iran backed down already despite nothing actually
|pointing to that except wishful thinking. Nobody in a position
|of importance believes that and that's completely ignoring
|Hezbollah who also have still been clear that they intend to
|attack.
|u/Beeniesnweenies - 1 month
|
|I wish that story was true but there’s no way they’re going to back
|down. Kurilla wouldn’t be there if they didn’t think it was coming.
|u/anis_mitnwrb - 1 month
|
|the policy the entire time has been that they would not get in the way
|of an end to the war. that report is saying washington has established
|(for the first time since 1979) a direct line of communication to
|tehran and requested a two week delay in hostilities so that they may
|pressure israel to end the war i find that information hard to
|believe. and if it is true, it's not particularly good for israel that
|washington is finding tehran more rational than jerusalem.
|u/Technical_Duck4205 - 1 month
|
|Making concessions to the terrorist state that sponsored Oct 7 is
|rational because? The same dubious source claims Biden is offering
|a return to nuclear talks with Iran. You have to do the exact
|opposite to limit Iran's influence on the region.
|u/anis_mitnwrb - 1 month
|
|I do not believe the source. my point is that if anyone believes
|the "good news - Iran won't do anything", they also have to
|believe that washington is somehow collaborating with iran for an
|end to the war. i do not think this is true
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|When I'm in a misinformation competition and my opponent is Twitter
|OSINT accounts (I'm absolutely done for). Seriously some of these people
|need to get a life.
|u/Luckoduck - 1 month
|
|Can someone give actual information as to what attack is currently
|happening?
|u/plasmalightwave - 1 month
|
|Probably this one - https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-814316
|Just regular terror programming from Hez
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|Nothing currently happening. There was a rocket barrage earlier and
|video from very far away showing impacts in the dark but because
|people don't actually know the geography they're just assuming the
|worst despite there being no reports from any reputable sources of any
|injuries as of now. Supposedly they all landed in an open area which
|is why the Iron Dome didn't stop them and is actually pretty normal.
|Just yesterday I watched a livestream of the border with Lebanon where
|there was a rocket barrage and it all came up short in a forested area
|causing the hillside to catch fire.
|u/Luckoduck - 1 month
|
|Thanks very much, that’s what I inferred. It’s literally impossible
|to get reliable information on Twitter now because of all the fake
|accounts
|u/jaroborzita - 1 month
|
|is the latest purchase of weapons from the US really $20 bn? 50 f-15ex
|jets should cost less than $5 bn
|u/ThePoliticalFurry - 1 month
|
|It's not just jets, there's a shitload of missiles, shells, and tank
|rounds also on that bill.
|u/Rude_Fox7372 - 1 month
|
|yes military procurement is complex and is more than just equipment.
|If your intent is to play video games and I give you 10k and you spend
|it all on graphics card(s), then your not playing any games.
|u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out - 1 month
|
|It includes more than just that: *Congress was notified of the
|impending sale, which includes more than 50 F-15 fighter jets,
|Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles, or AMRAAMs, 120 mm tank
|ammunition and high explosive mortars and tactical vehicles* Plus:
|*The contracts will cover not only the sale of new 50 aircraft to be
|produced by Boeing. It will also include upgrade kits for Israel to
|modify its existing fleet of two dozen F-15 fighter jets with new
|engines and radars, among other upgrades. The jets comprise the
|biggest portion of the $20 billion in sales with the first deliveries
|expected in 2029.* F-15EX costs between 90-97 million USD. Which
|means the 50 new ones would cost between 4.5 to 4.85 billion USD.
|Usually those contracts include costs for spare parts and possibly
|even costs towards future improvements. Hard to tell without seeing
|the full deal though. Quoted portions come from this article:
|https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-20-billion-weapons-us-
|aid-b6a99129c88a5dcc4a4753e20b5e19ec
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|Does anybody know what the motivation is for the settlers who recently
|attacked that Palestinian village Umm Jamal?
|u/jews4beer - 1 month
|
|The settlers are largely racist assholes. The usual West Bank violence
|is more back and forth ("you hit me first" - "no you hit me first").
|But this was straight terrorism, no two ways about it. Given the
|condemnations coming from almost everyone in the Knesset, including
|Smotrich - I expect and hope these pieces of shit get what's coming to
|them. And if they don't, I really hope the US and EU follow through
|with sanctions. Extra points if they target Smotrich directly. Because
|he may not agree with what happened, but he sure as hell enabled it.
|u/razzinos - 1 month
|
|Their claim is that some village residents attacked cars in the nearby
|road. Still, doesnt give them right to burn the entire village
|u/chilllyyypepper - 1 month
|
|I actually know people who were there, basically the whole week
|Palestinians from that village were burnings tires on the road - a
|tactic to get cars to stop to make them more vulnerable to rock
|throwing, so to my understanding that eas the motivation.
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
|
|Thanks! I knew there was more to it than the news reports.
|u/chilllyyypepper - 1 month
|
|Yup, As (almost) always when it comes to the settlers...
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Palestinian terrorists regularly shoot and assault Jews in the West
|Bank.
|u/Dangerous-Basket1064 - 1 month
|
|Crazy to announce an attack over a week in advance
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|They're just stating what everybody already knows. It's not some
|actionable information or secrets.
|u/obaming16 - 1 month
|
|Looks like the retaliation is imminent for the 100th time
|u/CrispyMiner - 1 month
|
|Do you guys think Iran will backdown and hide the tail between their
|legs?
|u/calgary_db - 1 month
|
|Nope.
|u/big-ol-poosay - 1 month
|
|What makes you think that?
|u/CentJr - 1 month
|
|Too much damage to their credibility as the leader for the axis of
|resistance. They must show (for their audience) that they mean
|business or else their justification (which is "fighting the
|zi0nists") of occupying four countries via proxies falls apart
|u/ben02015 - 1 month
|
|I don’t think they’ve ever fully backed down in the past. They
|have always done **something**. The attack could end up being
|something weak and just symbolic and they’ll claim it as some
|major victory. But I can’t imagine them doing nothing at all.
|u/calgary_db - 1 month
|
|New leadership, can't look weak. Iran is jumpy, they shot down
|civilian planes by mistake before. They will do something.
|u/FishAndRiceKeks - 1 month
|
|Not at all. I would be very surprised if it's not larger than the
|previous attack considering they've repeatedly said it will be and
|Hezbollah is also involved.
|u/CastMeAway7 - 1 month
|
|They will do something. The question is what will they do.
|u/0nlythiswasleft - 1 month
|
|No. Iran's view is that they must create a deterrent and make Israel
|think twice before carrying out assassinations in their country again.
|There will be no backing down from Iran, and they will target many
|sites in Israel. The bigger question is how will Israel respond. I'm
|sure after Iran's attack, Israeli officials will be talking about
|taking action that will deter Iran from directly attacking Israel
|again.
|u/CrispyMiner - 1 month
|
|Something bad is happening! Here's the "source", but I won't bother
|linking it
|u/Randomnesse - 1 month
|
|I absolutely believe you, random interwebs nobody! I now gonna go to
|Flightradar24 and start doomclicking on random planes over
|Israel/Lebanon/Jordan areas!!111oneoneoneeleven
|u/SHEEEIIIIIIITTTT - 1 month
|
|Thanks for the useless comment. Big help! 👍
|u/CrispyMiner - 1 month
|
|So is Iran and Hezbollah going to attack or not? It's been almost 2
|weeks since they said they were going to attack
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Yes, they'll probably attack, they're just waiting for the right
|moment.
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|I’m wondering if Iran is trying to avoid world wide embarrassment
|again by hoping a hostage deal will go through. Times of Israel
|reports sources saying Qatar urging Iran that ceasefire talks are
|progressing. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/qatar-said-
|urging-iran-to-carefully-weigh-attack-on-israel-citing-progress-in-
|talks/ I don’t think Iran will attack while ceasefire negotiations
|are in this last attempt. Not because the care about hostages or
|Palestinians but because they are looking for an excuse to back down
|and try to hold onto their dwindling public image.
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|Hamas already said they aren't even going to the talks...
|u/Panda_tears - 1 month
|
|That’s why I’m like… how can you even get to cease fire?  It’s
|like deciding what you’re going to eat at a fancy restaurant
|you’ll never go to.
|u/141_1337 - 1 month
|
|Different reasons, the US and many Western countries want it
|because of optics and for internal consumption, most Middle
|Eastern countries want to try it for internal consumption as
|well, Israel wants it for internal consumption and to not
|antagonize its western allies, and Iran wants it so that Hamas
|can buy them time while they finish putting together their
|nuclear weapons.
|u/GoodMix392 - 1 month
|
|Does the lack of action indicate an internal power struggle?
|u/huskies4life - 1 month
|
|I think it just indicates that Iran is trying to not make the attack
|as embarrassing as the last one.
|u/Predictor92 - 1 month
|
|Or they are waiting till the 9th of Av
|u/ZetaDefender - 1 month
|
|[Tisha B'Av](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B%27Av) for
|those who do not know.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Porque no los dos?
|u/GoodMix392 - 1 month
|
|Yeah I guess that last “retaliation” proves that even if they could
|produce a nuke that could fit on a rocket there is only a 0.33%
|chance of it getting to Israel.
|u/turbocynic - 1 month
|
|How do you figure that? Nine missiles landed out of aprox 120.
|u/GoodMix392 - 1 month
|
|I read it was 1 in 300 on target, but I could be wrong.
|u/yaniv297 - 1 month
|
|According to reports in Israel, the military aspects of Iran wants to
|hit strongly and aim at Tel Aviv while the new president want to avoid
|war and make a more symbolic response. So yeah, there seems to be some
|kind of internal struggle going on. Iran's position isn't easy:
|-Their whole MO is to fight Israel using proxy without their own
|country and people being attacked. If this deteriorate into a war
|where Iran itself will be attacked, it will be bad for them because
|they don't have great air defense and have many fragile
|infrastractures. -They are not yet a nuclear state - if a war has to
|happen, they would rather it happens when they already have nukes as a
|deterrent -Getting two responses in a row completely blocked by
|Israel would be humiliating for them. However, it's unclear if they
|can rely on Israel's air defense being as effective - if they do make
|serious damage they will be thrown into a war they don't want. When
|deciding how much ammunition to use, they need to guess how much will
|be intercepted and somehow hit that sweet spot where some things are
|hit and real damage is made but not too much for a war. -american
|pressure to deescelate is very strong
|u/ConsiderationBig540 - 1 month
|
|Apparently there's been many discussions between the U.S. and Iran.
|u/Kevin-W - 1 month
|
|US is trying to get Iran to back down as much as they can. As much
|as the are adversaries, they know deep down inside that way more is
|at take if the war grows to a wider region.
|u/edleranalytics - 1 month
|
|https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/16/world/middleeast/iran-israel-hamas-
|cease-fire.html Looks like there are some positive developments going
|on right now
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|We've heard this a thousand times before and ultimately it leads to
|nowhere. Until the hostages aren't reunited with their families I'm
|believing nothing.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|>It was not immediately clear if this timeline would change Iran’s
|assessments. ----- >The officials have cautioned that their
|assessments are rapidly changing given the fluidity of events.
|Intelligence has been sparse and changes frequently, and Iran and
|Hezbollah are known to be constantly assessing the situation. -----
|It seems there is a lot of uncertainty. It's hard to tell whether
|this is positive or Iran is just trying to get Israel to let its guard
|down before it attacks.
|u/LoxicTizard - 1 month
|
|I'm afraid to feel even a little optimistic. Sinwar's ultimate goal is
|to drag Israel into a full-scale war on multiple fronts and cause mass
|casualties and destruction. He knows this is likely to happen if the
|cease-fire talks collapse. What motivation would he have to agree to
|a cease-fire?
|u/BigPnrg - 1 month
|
|For Israel to let it's guard down.
|u/MWXDrummer - 1 month
|
|https://x.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1822726849342120408 Take this tweet
|for what you will.
|u/StanGable80 - 1 month
|
|They could come up with the grandest possible plan, hamas still won’t
|abide by it
|u/aquamah - 1 month
|
|i dont think this war will start. i need to stop refreshing.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Nightfall is soon in the Middle East.
|u/MotorBarnacle2437 - 1 month
|
|Nick Fuentes and Donald Trump work together. Anyone who thinks trump
|would be good for the Jews is either a liar or an uninformed.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Trump also abandoned NATO and the Kurds. He is also the most corrupt
|president in US history. He will betray Israel for a bribe and some
|nagging from Putin and his white supremacist base. I don't trust
|Trump at all.
|u/dokikod - 1 month
|
|Trump is only good for himself. I can't wait to vote against this
|deranged narcissist.
|u/Chillmm8 - 1 month
|
|Googled the name and it gives a bunch of articles about how he’s
|really angry with Trump and how Vance called him a loser and disavowed
|his endorsement. Separate point, but I honestly believe lies like
|this only strengthen Trump.
|u/HighburyOnStrand - 1 month
|
|As an independent voter, I can tell you that I firmly believe that
|Trump has white supremacist tendencies. He has repeated such
|rhetoric (replacement theory, etc.). He has routinely spurned easy
|opportunities to distance himself from them. He has routinely dog
|whistled them. Further to this, Trump's father was widely reputed
|to be a member of white supremacist organizations. I am not in a
|position to know in his heart where he is on the spectrum of white
|supremacist beliefs, but I am certain by his words and deeds that he
|is on it. These facts do not strengthen him with anyone apart
|from his fervent base of support, many of whom are somewhere on the
|white supremacy spectrum. To whatever extent Israelis and Jews
|regard Trump as an ally on Israel, I would caution that he is likely
|not a reliable ally.
|u/Nutmeg92 - 1 month
|
|I’ flying to Dubai on Friday, shall I cancel?
|u/frosthowler - 1 month
|
|*Dubai*? And on Friday? No. I'd say if you're flying on Mon-Thurs I'd
|be somewhat cautious, but the chances a passenger airline will be hit
|during this tussle is rather low. Especially as the most intense point
|of the conflict will probably be between Lebanon and Israel and not
|with Iran. Depending on from where you're flying, the conflict won't
|even matter at all to you. I believe many flights route through the
|Red Sea and wouldn't be flying over Iraq. But now with the Houthis
|being belligerent I'm not really sure... but so long as the flight
|goes through Saudi Arabia the chances of anything going wrong is very
|low. *Maybe* if you're flying in Jordanian, Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese,
|or Iranian airspace... but a flight to Dubai? Meh.
|u/Nutmeg92 - 1 month
|
|From Newark
|u/monkywrnch - 1 month
|
|Oh well in that case you're safer flying to Dubai than staying in
|Newark
|u/ScribebyTrade - 1 month
|
|Boom, roasted
|u/Nutmeg92 - 1 month
|
|The airport is not bad to be fair
|u/Panda_tears - 1 month
|
|Saudis would flip shit if a flight of theirs was target, you’re good
|u/PugsAndHugs95 - 1 month
|
|Could be potentially be the end of this conflict in sight, if nothing
|else goes wrong and Sinwar or Bibi don't screw it up.
|https://x.com/jmhansler/status/1824460639479222286 >Over the last 48
|hours in Doha, senior officials from our governments have engaged in
|intensive talks as mediators aiming to conclude the agreement for a
|ceasefire and release of hostages and detainees. These talks were
|serious and constructive and were conducted in a positive atmosphere.
|Earlier today in Doha, the United States with support from Egypt and
|Qatar, presented to both parties a bridging proposal that is consistent
|with the principles laid out by President Biden on May 31, 2024 and
|Security Council Resolution No. 2735. This proposal builds on areas of
|agreement over the past week, and bridges remaining gaps in the manner
|that allows fora swift implementation of the deal. > Working teams will
|continue technical work over the coming days on the details of
|implementation, including arrangements to implement the agreement's
|extensive humanitarian provisions, as well as specifics relating to
|hostages and detainees. >Senior officials from our governments will
|reconvene in Cairo before the end of next week with the aim to conclude
|the deal under the terms put forward today. As the leaders of the three
|countries stated last week, "There is no further time to waste nor
|excuses from any party for further delay. It is time to release the
|hostages and detainees, begin the ceasefire, and implement this
|agreement. >The path is now set for that outcome, saving lives,
|bringing relief to the people of Gaza, and de-escalating regional
|tensions.
|u/razzinos - 1 month
|
|This conflict will end when palestinians will release the hostages,
|everything else are just empty words
|u/Karpattata - 1 month
|
|Hamas already said no lol
|u/Playful-Contest-8526 - 1 month
|
|Can’t wait for the media to blame Israel.. or just not report on it
|at all…
|u/seinera - 1 month
|
|Nah. There are simply irreconcilable positions and there can be
|nothing to make either side budge on those. Hamas isn't giving up the
|hostages without a permanent ceasefire that allows them to survive and
|persist. Israel isn't allowing them to survive and persist no matter
|what. There is nothing any of these negotiators say that can fix that.
|It has been 10 months. We are constantly told "le ceasefire deal is
|soon tm". It's not happening.
|u/Sqwishboi - 1 month
|
|Hamas haven't even sent a representative, don't get your hopes up.
|Even if an agreement is reached Israel will never forfeit the right to
|continue it's campaign to dismantle Hamas, that's strategic suicide.
|u/rach1200 - 1 month
|
|38 children died. You aren't going to find a list of how exactly they
|all died. The condition of the remains in most of the kibbutzim likely
|leads to never knowing how people died unless there were surviving
|witnesses. If there is evidence of how the children were murdered
|(from Hamas gopro) the families may withhold from the public &
|curiosity seekers to maintain privacy from their trauma. We know Mila
|Cohen, 9 months, was killed by gunfire in her mother's arms. She was
|buried in her father's arms. Her mom with her 2 young sons escaped
|from the burning house to be kidnapped by Hamas, but they later
|escaped. There is very little about this family in the media besides
|an interview with an elderly woman’s family that was held with the mom
|and sons and a Times of Israel article. The family likely wants to
|maintain privacy and not let their trauma be the source of anyone's
|curiosity. To give you a better idea of how we will likely never know
|how most of these victims were murdered, Dolev Yehud's remains were
|only found on June 3rd. They thought he was a hostage prior. Just
|think about that. His remains were so badly charred that it took 8
|months to identify them.
|u/ahmuh1306 - 1 month
|
|>We know Mila Cohen, 9 months, was killed by gunfire in her mother's
|arms. She was buried in her father's arms. Her mom with her 2 young
|sons escaped from the burning house to be kidnapped by Hamas, but
|they later escaped. Bloody fucking hell. Every single time I read
|about the atrocities committed on that day it fills me up with so
|much anger. Anger at the sick fucks who did this. Anger at the
|sick fucks who cheered in the streets while this was happening.
|Anger at the sick fucks in their mansions in Qatar watching live
|streams and thanking Allah while this was happening. Anger at the
|sick fucks who were marching around the world with their stupid
|fucking Palestinian flags while the massacre was still fucking
|ongoing. Anger at the fact that 80% of the so-called InNoCeNt
|CiViLlIaNs support the group who committed these atrocities. Anger
|at the fact that to this day the world continues to justify,
|downplay, and outright reject the atrocities committed on that day.
|Fuck them, fuck them all.
|u/ElasticCrow393 - 1 month
|
|a 12 year old girl burned to death, 4 dead suffocated due to smoke,
|13, 3 and 2 twins aged 5. The rest killed by gunfire except 4 Bedouin
|children killed by rockets.
|u/dan_zg - 1 month
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|Source ?
|u/frosthowler - 1 month
|
|Burned babies is true, them being burned and decapitated was the
|mixup. Some burned and some decapitated and some shot etc not all at
|once. 41 babies were not burned to death.
|https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/local/715028/ This says 38
|dead children not including captive. Maybe 41 is a later number
|including Kfir etc.
|u/SYSSMouse - 1 month
|
|>Is the hamas oct 7 burned babies thing true?  As others said, 38
|children died from whatever causes on Oct 8 including fire. BUT, The
|phrase implies that Hamas intentionally burning the babies alive,
|which I have doubt. "extraordinary claims needs extraordinary proof"
|u/RBAnger - 1 month
|
|Let me know if I'm missing anything with my logic. Iran is toying with
|declaring war on Israel, who likely has access to nuclear weapons.
|Simultaneously, Iran demonstrating a willingness to commit to finalizing
|their own weapons, which is expected to take ~2 weeks if they go all
|out. I have to imagine Israel would consider a preemptive strike in
|that scenario as a last resort. In the past they've had success impeding
|nuclear progress with malware and assassinations. If this is
|unsuccessful this time, there aren't many other options. Finally, I
|think there is a non-zero chance of Iran having received nuclear weapons
|from Russia, given that they have a tight military cooperation and
|Russia has sent over supplies of some sort recently. Would love to be
|mislead on any of this but it's not looking good imo.
|u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 - 1 month
|
|A preemtive strike on a terrorist state is competly justified.
|u/BritishBedouin - 1 month
|
|There is no chance whatsoever that Iran gets nukes or close to them
|without the US knowing. They would be hit pre-emptively. The amount
|of data from spy satellites, flyovers, espionage networks, etc., is so
|huge that the Iranian govt has no privacy of any kind to enable it the
|capability to build a nuke.
|u/Twofer-Cat - 1 month
|
|I doubt Russia would give them nukes, there are at least five ways
|that could end in disaster for Russia. But yes, it's plausible Iran
|will build its own, in which case Israel will likely pull a '67 and
|tell USA thank you for your diplomatic services, but it's time to do
|this the old-fashioned way. Which would probably start with searing
|Hez out of southern Lebanon, because that would limit Iran's ability
|to deliver the nuke.
|u/RBAnger - 1 month
|
|I think this would be the most realistic way it would unfold, and I
|do think the barriers to delivery on Iran's side greatly reduce the
|risk of things spinning out of control. I don't have a lot of
|faith in Russia to act rationally at this point though.
|u/Jkabaseball - 1 month
|
|Iran is not going to nuke anyone, even if they had access to a nuke.
|They would be pulverized by the US and allies very quickly if they
|ever did that. They couldn't fire it from Iran as it will probably be
|shot down. If they get caught trying to get it into Israel, they
|still get pulverized.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|Hamas attacked anyway on Oct. 7, knowing full well that they would
|be pulverized by the IDF. These lunatics do not fear death. They
|look forward to it because they've been lied to and told they get 72
|virgins if they die in battle.
|u/Jkabaseball - 1 month
|
|Those are soldiers. If Iran or any of Iran's proxies nuke anyone,
|the Iran regime is gone. They don't care about soldiers, but I'm
|pretty positive they would care if 100 tomahawks were heading for
|them.
|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month
|
|We're about to find out how much they care.
|u/gwarrior5 - 1 month
|
|Why assume religious fanatics are rational actors?
|u/Zenki95 - 1 month
|
|Or, as we have seen, they will say "sure, israel got nuked... but so
|we really want to escalate this war?"
|u/monkywrnch - 1 month
|
|That's what everyone said about NK. They got it and nobody stopped
|it Edit: ah sorry I see you're actually saying using it not getting
|but some people think Israel and us will pounce on them to prevent
|them getting it but everyone said the same about NK.
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