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A Russian lawmaker says the military knew Ukraine was planning to hit
Kursk, but everyone was told 'not to panic' because 'those above know
better'
(URL) https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-lawmaker-says-military-knew-053535... (https://www.yahoo.com) text/html
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|u/Flashy_Passion16 - 1 month
|
|Sounds like the drama series Chernobyl first episode
|u/SteinGrenadier - 1 month
|
|I still remember Russians complaining that they were also making a
|chernobyl movie, but it was CIA sabotage that was the reason behind
|the disaster, not gross incompetence, shoddy mismanagement and the
|nuclear safety equivalent of replacing fire extinguishers with
|gasoline cans because it's cheaper. I'm sure we'll get something
|along the lines of "NATO forces ukraine to march towards moscow.
|Sympathetic russians lay down arms to avoid adding to their cruel
|predicament" as a party line.
|u/Nerevarine91 - 1 month
|
|I’m reminded of the WWII era line, “the much-battered enemy
|continued his cowardly advance,” from a 1941 issue of the Red Army’s
|*Front* magazine
|u/absat41 - 1 month
|
|Russians not getting supplies from the US this time 
|u/marcus_centurian - 1 month
|
|Apparently the US and Russia worked out the payment details and
|Russia stopped paying for Lend-lease aid from World War 2 like
|in 2006.
|u/Ragin_Goblin - 1 month
|
|I just thought the Russians refused to pay. I know it was us
|(UK) that finished paying of our lend lease debt in 2006
|u/CicerosBalls - 1 month
|
|Both Russia and the U.K paid off their lend-lease agreements
|in full (or at least to the satisfaction of the U.S) in 2006
|Edit: to add context. The U.S originally demanded $1.2B from
|the USSR, the Soviets countered with $170 million. The
|amount remained up for debate til 1972, when the USSR
|offered $722 million (I believe in grain shipments). The U.S
|agreed to write off the rest. So not “in-full” but in
|accordance with their agreeement
|u/Logical-Claim286 - 1 month
|
|Yup, and the 1.2B was already a reduced amount (they owed
|about 4x as much). But the US policy was for
|reconciliation and not damaging a country with burdensome
|debts that would cripple their economy to repay.
|u/MichinokuDrunkDriver - 1 month
|
|tbf we learned from Europe that doing the burdensome
|debts thing to a country that goes ultranationalist just
|leads to WW2
|u/feedus-fetus_fajitas - 1 month
|
|Most of the reparations were canceled by 1932 at
|Lausanne conference. This was after I think the young
|act and the dawes act (both gave some alleviation to
|the reperation payments) This helped them shove more
|money at the economy instead of reparations in order
|to bounce back from the depression. I suppose one
|could argue that keeping the screws tightened down
|would have kept them broke as shit and not have any
|spare money for buildup from 1933 to 1939 (but I
|really have no idea on that)
|u/Ashleyempire - 1 month
|
|What? We could have a WW2.2?
|u/VindicatorTechmarine - 1 month
|
|Shouldnt have sone that considering the siviets are
|partly to blame for starting WW2
|u/Worst-Lobster - 1 month
|
|All that money and Russia still lost 26million people.
|Imagine how many they wouldve lost without that
|assistance . Awful . Wars just awful .
|u/Logical-Claim286 - 1 month
|
|A big part of that was Stalins "always be making
|progress" and his (mostly incompetent post purge)
|generals competing for his accolades because losing
|too many battle would get you killed, coupled with the
|strategy of "Men are replaceable, land is NOT"
|meatwave combat meant a LOT more casualties than were
|necessary.
|u/Greedy-Copy3629 - 1 month
|
|The UK only paid off its napoleonic war debt about 10 years
|ago. Some of the debt paid off at the same time can be
|traced back to 1720. Imagine how much interest has been
|paid on that over the years. 
|u/Initial_Cellist9240 - 1 month
|
|>Imagine how much interest has been paid on that over the
|years.  I’m sure it’s a lot, but I’m sure it’s a lot less
|than you imagine. Large counties get comically low
|interest rates
|u/DTempest - 1 month
|
|Not large countries, safe countries.
|u/marcus_centurian - 1 month
|
|Apparently it was a series of stopped and started talks that
|mostly boiled down to how much aid needed to be repaid.
|u/ml20s - 1 month
|
|BTW this was only for Lend-Lease that they kept after the war.
|Stuff that they gave back, used up, or destroyed didn't need
|to be paid for. Britain got similar terms (they got to keep
|what they wanted to keep for a 90% discount, everything else
|got yeeted into the sea)
|u/Mandurang76 - 1 month
|
|Some of the 3,000 Hurricanes given to Soviets were broken up
|& buried after the war to avoid paying US back under the
|Lend-Lease legislation. In 2023 eight broken up planes
|were found buried together in a forest south of Kyiv and
|were excavated in an archaeological dig by the State
|Aviation Museum of Ukraine.
|https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65955365
|u/betterwithsambal - 1 month
|
|More than 4700 P-39's were sent to the USSR as well and
|the red air force used them to huge success on the eastern
|front.
|u/absat41 - 1 month
|
|deleted
|u/The_Roshallock - 1 month
|
|And the US has never received a word of thanks from Russia
|over quite literally saving their asses with desperately
|needed equipment when they needed it the most.
|u/TazBaz - 1 month
|
|Eh I’m fairly certain there was, at the very least,
|acknowledgement. Stalin, during the war acknowledged the
|absolutely crucial nature of the equipment supplied via Lend
|Lease; Kruschev later more bluntly stated that without it,
|they would not have won the war.
|u/kikfahu - 1 month
|
|Russians generally believe that they were fighting alone and
|are the sole reason that Germany was defeated.
|u/A_swarm_of_wasps - 1 month
|
|And always ignore the part where they were on the Nazi
|side.
|u/SnakeGD09 - 1 month
|
|Well they certainly defeated the German Armies that
|invaded France, Poland, and the USSR. I really think the
|correction is more on the Western side. The Normandy
|landings happened in support of Operation Bagration. Do
|you even think of Bagration when you’re watching Saving
|Private Ryan? The Soviets were literally destroying the
|main combat force of the German military—so what does that
|leave in France, North Africa, and Italy? Of course they
|received some material support, mainly in the form of
|trucks which allowed them to create motorized infantry
|divisions to take advantage of armor breakthroughs—but the
|tanks and planes that they received were second and third-
|rate. The tanks were used primarily for training. A fun
|fact: American tanks fired HE 70% of the time, because
|they didn’t encounter German armor. Because the armor was
|on the Eastern Front.
|u/kikfahu - 1 month
|
|It was a combined effort and it's pointless to say one
|side did more than the other. Although, speak to a
|Russian nationalist or two (unfortunately, I've had this
|honor) and it'll seem as if there was no Western front
|or contribution at all.
|u/Osaka121 - 1 month
|
|To be fair, the USSR drew significant German aggression and
|paid dearly for it in lives. There was something like 20-27
|million deaths.
|u/The_Roshallock - 1 month
|
|And that prevents Russia from acknowledging US material
|support when they needed it most.... how?
|u/ml20s - 1 month
|
|The USSR also allied with the Nazis to invade Poland, so
|it's more of a "leopards ate my face" moment
|u/Inhir - 1 month
|
|Of which they only paid a very small %
|u/Yitram - 1 month
|
|I mean, makes sense, Germany was paying reparations for WWI
|(yes 1) til 2010.
|u/marcus_centurian - 1 month
|
|I remember hearing about this from a surprisingly thoughtful
|CNN short I saw online. They talked about the end of WWI
|restitution and how the world is different, yet the same.
|Also how cooperation, such as the European Community and
|later the European Union was the best deterrent and force
|for stability for Western and Central Europe.
|u/753951321654987 - 1 month
|
|I saw that YouTube short too. But the only repaid like 10%
|total value
|u/Kelmavar - 1 month
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|They are, just in directly applied munitions.
|u/Sunnysidhe - 1 month
|
|Or the UK
|u/Fit-Town-9844 - 1 month
|
|US help was huge then and it is now, something pro russians and
|communists hate to recognize
|u/MachineDog90 - 1 month
|
|Plus, when you look into what the US and the allies supplied
|them, it's very interesting.
|u/LustLochLeo - 1 month
|
|I once saw a documentary where they asked a German woman how she
|figured out that they were losing the war. She said "Because the
|victories kept coming closer in the newsreel."
|u/Nerevarine91 - 1 month
|
|Now that’s a fine old tradition. There are steles from Pharaonic
|Egypt that list a series of glorious victories that all happened
|to get closer to the capital
|u/ManyAreMyNames - 1 month
|
|What stood out to me about that is that the show portrayed the men
|on the ground as brave heroes going into danger to save the people
|around them from the terrible decisions of the people who sat in
|offices and never did an honest day's work. Here's a story about
|the bravery and sacrifice of the Soviet people, working to survive a
|crisis, and Putin's upset about how it shows the way useless old
|guys in meeting rooms ruined things for others... oh I get it now.
|u/Lendyman - 1 month
|
|You cannot question the state. The state knows best. The state is
|your big brother. Trust the state.
|u/1337duck - 1 month
|
|People wouldn't ask questions if shit wasn't going wrong. If
|they were managing things competently, people would follow.
|u/Lendyman - 1 month
|
|I didn't think I needed to add the /s tag.
|u/1337duck - 1 month
|
|Oh, I knew it was sarcastic. I was trying to elaborate on
|it.
|u/dermatthes - 1 month
|
|„When people ask questions...they should be told to keep their
|minds on their labor, and leave matters of the State, to the
|State.“
|u/Impressive-Chain-68 - 1 month
|
|That sounds just like "trust the experts" and "you're not a
|____, so how do you know?".
|u/TheNewGildedAge - 1 month
|
|There's a difference between not being allowed to question
|the state and ignoring the answers multiple sources have
|given you because you don't like it.
|u/DrasticXylophone - 1 month
|
|The old man in the crisis meeting during the first episode was
|the Soviet state in a person. Didn't matter what was
|happening outside shut the hell up and the state knows better
|u/Impressive-Chain-68 - 1 month
|
|Especially with your wife's pregnancy or your ten year old kid's
|pregnancy, or your gun, or your house, or collecting rainwater
|in the backyard of your house, or if you vaccinate...or who you
|marry, or what you wear....it never ends until you create the
|same freedomless hell that makes that level of oppression
|possible. 
|u/Lendyman - 1 month
|
|There are different philosophies of government. Democratically
|elected representative government posits that the people are
|delegating authority to elected representatives to make
|decisions for the betterment of society as a whole. Good
|governments have checks and balances to try and prevent the
|excesses of government and those elected to it. Authoritarian
|governments take that power without the input of the
|population and often have very little oversight. While the
|United States definitely has problems, I don't think it's fair
|to compare the United States to a place like Russia or North
|Korea or China where personal freedoms are heavily curtailed
|and the populations have virtually no control over the
|decisions of the state, or the right of the people to elect
|their representatives is just window dressing. Any government
|system is going to have its problems. But I think we can
|recognize that some governmental systems are going to be
|better for the average citizen than others. I think as
|citizenry, we should be well aware of who we elect and should
|shy away from people who are dangerous to the long-term health
|of a responsible elected government. Sadly, a lot of people
|vote based on the Here and Now rather than using critical
|thinking skills about the long- term impact the people that
|they elect might have.
|u/cat_prophecy - 1 month
|
|Never minding that the reactor design was inherently unsafe.
|u/SomeGuyNamedPaul - 1 month
|
|They never made a prototype to test, they simply took the design
|straight into serial production.
|u/Complete_Handle4288 - 1 month
|
|"All developers have a Dev environment. For the lucky ones,
|it's separate from Production."
|u/mophan - 1 month
|
|As an IT guy, this reference gives me nightmares.
|u/SomeGuyNamedPaul - 1 month
|
|As an IT guy, this feels like home.
|u/Complete_Handle4288 - 1 month
|
|As an IT guy... let's just say nobody carries two phone
|systems.
|u/TheNorseHorseForce - 1 month
|
|As an IT guy .... This is fine
|u/KansasICT - 1 month
|
|As an IT gal, have you tried turning it off and back
|on again?
|u/Vaux1916 - 1 month
|
|*cough crowdstrike cough*
|u/Complete_Handle4288 - 1 month
|
|The only reason I didn't get hit was my laptop battery is
|crap and the power plug got jostled the night before while i
|was cleaning my desk. But yeah
|fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that day.
|u/Vaux1916 - 1 month
|
|The "funny" thing is my company gives everyone a "mental
|health day off" every year. That Friday was that day off.
|I got woke up by my phone blowing up. No mental health
|day for me... They did let me make it up later, but I had
|plans, man!
|u/Complete_Handle4288 - 1 month
|
|Coming off an 18 hour CUCM upgrade call that started
|1800 Saturday about month ago. Your pain, I feel it.
|u/cat_prophecy - 1 month
|
|The whole point of the RBMK design was that it would be fast and
|cheap to build, and cheap to run. Safety wasn't even like
|priority number 10.
|u/FrogTrainer - 1 month
|
|Short cuts around safety to save money? Sounds like
|capitalism! /s
|u/gzoehobub - 1 month
|
|it compiled so it works. to production!
|u/SomeGuyNamedPaul - 1 month
|
|*ssh into prod* $ vim index.php *tappy tap tap esc :wq*
|*reload* Hey, no 500 close the ticket.
|u/Epsteins_List - 1 month
|
|pretty much
|u/surgicallyenhanced - 1 month
|
|What makes the rbmk design inherently unsafe?
|u/VRichardsen - 1 month
|
|> What makes the rbmk design inherently unsafe? It is dangerous
|under low power circumstances, due to a positive void
|coefficient. https://nuclear-safety-
|cooperation.ec.europa.eu/contracts/void-reactivity-effects-
|rbmk_en#details The series actually explains this in rather
|good detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDBkMIwb9Mk
|u/opaali92 - 1 month
|
|Many of them are still running today, even chernobyl-3 ran until
|2000
|u/cat_prophecy - 1 month
|
|I never said they didn't run, just that they're unsafe.
|u/ivosaurus - 1 month
|
|> "NATO forces ukraine to march towards moscow. Literally already
|happened on their state TV
|u/Bakedfresh420 - 1 month
|
|They already started with US generals are leading the offensive
|u/SteinGrenadier - 1 month
|
|Ah, the classic "We weren't stupid. They just have someone that
|outsmarted us" excuse.
|u/Bakedfresh420 - 1 month
|
|Ukraine can’t be beating us…only the US could beat us. Wait did
|we just call ourselves second rate? Nah we schooled those
|Ukrainians!!
|u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC - 1 month
|
|"What does our recon say?" "3.6 Ukrainian units, but that's only in
|one-" "3.6, not great, not terrible"
|u/Kellervo - 1 month
|
|"They're advancing on Kursk, at least pull units back to defend it."
|"That is my decision to make." "Then make it-" "I've been told not
|to."
|u/DuncanConnell - 1 month
|
|"Steinervich will counter attack!"
|u/Digital-Nomad - 1 month
|
|Steinervich fell out a window last week.
|u/Arashmickey - 1 month
|
|-That was an order! -So was the window. -Oh, right. I
|forgot.
|u/Past_Structure1078 - 1 month
|
|Get him out here, hes been affected by ukranian propaganda!
|u/Infamous_Alpaca - 1 month
|
|Sir our visitor meter can only count up to 3,600 a week.
|u/fantasmoofrcc - 1 month
|
|Like a chest x-ray (every second for the rest of your life).
|u/Dangerous_Nitwit - 1 month
|
|So the inverse of Havok from the X-Men every second of life.
|u/ReturnOfDaSnack420 - 1 month
|
|"You didn't see Ukrainians"
|u/oalsaker - 1 month
|
|3.6 Ukrainians? That's enough to handle a whole Russian army.
|u/Gladix - 1 month
|
|That episode was made specifically to "mock" or explain the Russian
|attitude in leadership. The only thing they care about is optics and
|how it PERSONALLY affects them. Reality is irrelevant because you can
|always excuse the failure on your subordinates. They overexaggerate
|their own victories because it makes the leader look good. And they
|don't report their own failures because it would make them look bad.
|And this is going on at every single level of the Russian government
|and the military. The soldiers reports to the platoon leader they
|destroyed 5 tanks instead of 1. The platoon leader reports they
|destroyed 7 tanks instead of 1. The general reports they destroyed 10
|tanks instead of 1. And Putin says to the people they destroyed 40
|tanks last night... instead of 1. The kicker is that each isolated
|actor only has the information that others report them to. The general
|for example really believes 7 tanks have been destroyed in that area
|which is more than a third of a battalion, so he will order
|counterattack to take advantage of the Ukraian heavy tank losses...
|only there hasn't been 7 tanks destroyed last night, but 1. The
|counterattack fails because there is more tanks than expected and
|suffer heavy casualties. The soldiers report a mild success however
|because they can't be seen to look bad. They report minor casualties
|and 10 destroyed Ukraian tanks to a platoon leader. And the platoon
|leader reports only 1 casualty and 13 destroyed Ukraian tanks...
|EVERYONE works with bad information because EVERYONE lies. The person
|in charge might not actually knew how bad it was because everyone in
|the chain of command lies. Or they knew but thought it was a lie of
|someone else and thought the truth might not be as dire as the
|reports.
|u/Uilamin - 1 month
|
|> The kicker is that each isolated actor only has the information
|that others report them to. The general for example really believes
|The general knows the numbers of inflated as everyone does it. The
|problem is the actual numbers are unknown and how much any one
|person is exaggerating is unknown... but the numbers reported get
|published and potentially used against people when making decisions.
|It 'worked' for the longest time because accountability didn't
|matter. It matters now which is causing a significant clash between
|culture and effectiveness.
|u/Gladix - 1 month
|
|>The problem is the actual numbers are unknown and how much any
|one person is exaggerating is unknown Yup, eeeeexactly. So you
|potentially get fuckups like these. It's not like the general
|wants for the Ukraian to invade, or more likely to be the
|scapegoat for the invasion by Putin.
|u/Paulus_cz - 1 month
|
|Also, there is this thing - they all know everybody else lies, but
|they don't do anything about it, because if they did it would
|highlight their previous lies, questions on why did they not act
|sooner would arise, make enemies of officials on the same level
|because it would threaten to expose them as well. Those who do not
|lie are soon get rid of. It really is fascinating.
|u/Tatar_Kulchik - 1 month
|
|They overexaggerate their own victories because it makes the leader
|look good. And they don't report their own failures because it would
|make them look bad.  Also explains Arab militaries. re:Six Day
|War
|u/wggn - 1 month
|
|basically any authoritarian country
|u/JesusSavesForHalf - 1 month
|
|It doesn't even need to be a country, the same thing happens at
|corporations.
|u/steavor - 1 month
|
|You don't get fallen out of windows for your mistakes (at most
|companies).
|u/Black_Moons - 1 month
|
|Right, you just get shown the door. At Boeing however...
|Watch that first step.
|u/JesusSavesForHalf - 1 month
|
|The threat of getting fired has much the same effect. Look
|at how any of the many companies Musk has part time jobs at
|are run. What causes the problem isn't so much people are
|dead, its that the people who would pass on honest bad news
|aren't there. Toadies are bad for business.
|u/TheZigerionScammer - 1 month
|
|Reminds me of when I was watching TURN, a show about spies during
|the Revolutionary War. Most spies at the time were just civilians
|living in enemy territory that just reported what they saw to their
|handlers, but they often exaggerated because they didn't know what
|they were seeing or wanted to make their role seem more important.
|The Culper Ring was special because they didn't do this, they
|reported their numbers exactly as the saw them and the British were
|shocked how accurate the Americans' information was once they got a
|hold of it.
|u/tomtomclubthumb - 1 month
|
|I remember reading that this was the problem with covid. Obviously
|no one dares report anything officially, but Xi has so cracked down
|on "dissent" that there are no effective back channels for actually
|signalling that there is a problem.
|u/JesusSavesForHalf - 1 month
|
|That was partly what the US' pandemic team in Wuhan was for, to
|get around the political problems in China. It took multiple
|administrations negotiating for years to get them there. Too bad
|someone stupid and petty removed them right before the 2019
|outbreak.
|u/itburnswhenipee - 1 month
|
|Sounds like corporate project management
|u/GWJYonder - 1 month
|
|Not pictured: The general goes to the frontline to get the "real
|information" and a Ukrainian drone explodes him. This happened a lot
|in the first few months and led to the Russian higher ups needing to
|stick with bad data out of necessity because it was too dangerous
|for them to actually go get better data.
|u/Black_Moons - 1 month
|
|*Hellsing laugh.gif*
|u/big_trike - 1 month
|
|These people would all do well as middle and upper management in a
|publicly traded company.
|u/GiantRiverSquid - 1 month
|
|Take a nice float up the largest river in the world
|u/shadowboxer47 - 1 month
|
|>The kicker is that each isolated actor only has the information
|that others report them to. What a low-trust society does to a mfer
|u/PoeT8r - 1 month
|
|> The only thing they care about is optics and how it PERSONALLY
|affects them. Recent events in USA suggest that this is not an
|exclusively Russian phenomenon. Then again, the Nat-Cs are funded by
|them....
|u/Gladix - 1 month
|
|The corruption is not exclusively Russian phenomenon, however, it
|is the matter of course in Russia rather than something to be
|avoided or regarded as taboo. In Russia you have to be corrupt
|otherwise you won't get ahead of the people that are corrupt.
|There is no benefit to being truthful if the truth makes you look
|bad. At least in democratic nations you have counter-balances like
|news or even rival politicians to keep you at least somewhat
|honest. In Russia the army, politicians and the news have the same
|job, to glaze Putin as much as possible. Failures and unkept
|promises are... counter productive and thus eliminated by lying.
|u/PoeT8r - 1 month
|
|> There is no benefit to being truthful if the truth makes you
|look bad. I suspect there are many cases in history where this
|took hold. Interestingly, it also seems that economies thrive on
|integrity. I'm thinking specifically of the reign of Domitian
|and his emphasis on honest civil service, but that might also be
|a too-casual interpretation of The History of Rome podcast.
|u/Saandrig - 1 month
|
|And the second episode (the scenes in Belarus especially).
|u/CharcoalGreyWolf - 1 month
|
|And the first Kursk disaster (submarine)
|u/syringistic - 1 month
|
|That one still really bugs me. Russians could have possibly saved
|some of those submariners, NATO was offering to send out a rescue
|DSV. But no, they "had everything under control."
|u/Sunnysidhe - 1 month
|
|Apparently it was the Seaway Eagle that found and did the dives
|on the Kursk. The Russians told the dive Supt the wrong way to
|open the hatch, in the hope they would break it. They tried but
|felt something wasn't right so asked to see one being opened.
|They were eventually down how to open one and it was the
|opposite way to what the Russians had been asking.
|u/Rambling_Lunatic - 1 month
|
|How funny would it be for Putin's reign have the name "Kursk" at
|both ends?
|u/lesser_panjandrum - 1 month
|
|It's like poetry. It rhymes.
|u/Hawks_12 - 1 month
|
|They didn’t have it under control, they denied anything was
|wrong until it was too late to do anything about it. Russia has
|a please refrain from surviving, so there is no one to question
|the narrative we make up about this, attitude.
|u/Cynicisomaltcat - 1 month
|
|I went down that rabbit hole the other night - it’s highly
|unlikely any of the crew lasted longer than about 6-8 hours. I
|don’t think anyone could have gotten down there in time. The
|Wikipedia on it is fascinating - I have a morbid interest in
|submarines that have sunk. Apparently about 110 of the crew
|were killed in the main explosions - one torpedo managed to set
|off a bunch of others and blew off like the front 1/3rd of the
|sub. Only 24 made it to the 9th area. About 6 hours in they
|tried to replace the “O2 candle” (a stick made of that sucks up
|CO2 and off-gasses O2), but dropped it in the water that was
|slowly filling the compartment. Apparently it’s an
|understatement to say O2 candles don’t get along well with
|water. The resulting fire consumed the rest of the oxygen, and…
|yeah. Though if I recall the water was already waist deep at 6
|hours - that didn’t bode well for the odds of rescuing anyone,
|even if they hadn’t dropped the O2 candle. Absolutely horrid
|way to go, but I guess silver lining is all the fuckups in the
|Russian response probably didn’t add to the fatalities?
|u/BigHowski - 1 month
|
|Sounds like you need a sleepy time injection
|u/vhalember - 1 month
|
|See also Stalin's purge of thousands of leaders from the Red Army
|just before the onset of WW2. Also see, Russia get stomped by
|much smaller Finland in WW2.
|u/mood2016 - 1 month
|
|Chernobyl? No. Death of Stalin? Yes.
|u/IWantTheLastSlice - 1 month
|
|The Death of Stalin movie was dark comedy gold.
|u/jrizzle86 - 1 month
|
|The Death of Stalin movie was a documentary
|u/FaceDeer - 1 month
|
|Most documentaries about Russian history are also dark comedies.
|Actually that applies to most documentaries about history in
|general, now that I think on it.
|u/IWantTheLastSlice - 1 month
|
|Exactly
|u/tevatronxz - 1 month
|
|Haha, cook Prigozhin gave some light vibes of Zhukov from "Death
|of Stalin".
|u/Nerevarine91 - 1 month
|
|Didn’t they also complain about the Modern Warfare reboot, because
|it showed the Russian Army committing crimes against civilians? They
|called it “Russophobic,” if I recall correctly
|u/Morningfluid - 1 month
|
|Heck, I remember when the Red Scare podcast called
|people Russophobic after the outrage from Russia invading Ukraine.
|Now they have Tucker Carlson on...
|u/careyious - 1 month
|
|The games portrayed the Highway of Death as an atrocity committed
|by Russians. That was 100% the Coalition and while not
|"Russophobic", is blatant revisionist propaganda to whitewash our
|involvement in the conflict.
|u/CarefulAstronomer255 - 1 month
|
|People always repeat this line but it's not even the same thing.
|The "Highway of Death" as bombed by the US-led coalition was a
|convoy of military units in retreat (note: 'retreat', they had
|not surrendered) and were a valid target, unpleasant as it may
|be, that is war, and the decision was tactically sound and not a
|war crime. The scene depicted in the game doesn't directly say
|it, but strongly implies from the context and setting of the
|mission that it was *civilians* who were bombed as they flee the
|war. So it's a completely different situation, the only thing
|wrong with it is the idiot who choose to call that level
|"Highway of Death", when that term already belongs to a similar
|history event.
|u/MerryGoWrong - 1 month
|
|Anyone who has played any Total War games knows that running
|down a retreating enemy is where you do the most damage and
|achieve the biggest victory.
|u/SirAquila - 1 month
|
|> So it's a completely different situation, the only thing
|wrong with it is the idiot who choose to call that level
|"Highway of Death", when that term already belongs to a
|similar history event. You do not think that that was a very
|intentional choice? That the design team did not
|intentionally recreate the popular understanding of the high
|way of death there?
|u/superbabe69 - 1 month
|
|Also the event takes place in a fictional country, which means
|the real life HoD doesn’t necessarily not also exist
|u/mood2016 - 1 month
|
|You dislike MW because it made the Russians do the Highway of
|Death. I dislike MW because it insinuates that the Highway of
|the was a war crime. We are not the same. 
|u/evanod - 1 month
|
|Well I'm off to represent the entire Red Army at the buffet.
|u/gi_jose00 - 1 month
|
|The Ukrainians are here! 🤮 Take him to the infirmary, he's
|delusional.
|u/Incred - 1 month
|
|You didn't see any Ukrainians because they're not there!
|u/BXL-LUX-DUB - 1 month
|
|Every city mayor and regional administrator will soon be seeing
|Ukrainians who aren't there too, and demanding reinforcements to
|defend against them. Where the Russian army gets deployed will
|depend on who has the best connections, not where Ukrainians are
|likely to attack. Hopefully it will cause the Russian logistics
|chain for their invasion to collapse.
|u/Komikaze06 - 1 month
|
|The moment when the higher up asks about the graphite and repeats what
|the scientist told him in the helicopter to test those 2 guys, that's
|when I fell in love with the series.
|u/Beleynn - 1 month
|
|I also loved how he went from "explain how a nuclear reactor works"
|in the helicopter to actually being the one explaining how it works
|during the later trial scene
|u/aleqqqs - 1 month
|
|"The enemy seized 400 square miles of our territory." "400 square
|miles? Not great, not terrible."
|u/TheRaven476 - 1 month
|
|"Actually, that number is significant. You should evacuate
|immediately."
|u/KarloReddit - 1 month
|
|„You didn’t see Ukrainian boots on Russian ground, because they‘re not
|there! -Putnatlow
|u/maztabaetz - 1 month
|
|🛎️ 🛎️ 🛎️ - “no big deal”
|u/poorly-worded - 1 month
|
|Vasily, do you taste depleted uranium?
|u/vhalember - 1 month
|
|Yup. That has been the Russian way for a very long time now.
|u/systemfrown - 1 month
|
| Seriously, I couldn’t believe how many Russian soldiers were unaware
|of Chernoby or the fundamental reality surrounding it. Like how the
|fuck do I know more about it from halfway around the world than you?
|u/Mouadk - 1 month
|
|I can't wait for season 2 in some years "Little Green men in the
|woods" the way they dogged trenches in the red forrest, I'm sure some
|people glow doing the Night now
|u/rustyjus - 1 month
|
|I cant wait for the movie
|u/Luknron - 1 month
|
|Standard Russian behaviour. Do not panic and report at your gravesite
|tomorrow at 10 o'clock.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 1 month
|
|Yeah, it is about the same.
|u/1_g0round - 1 month
|
|i just hear the voice of pee wee herman saying - "i meant to do that"
|u/traumfisch - 1 month
|
|Which was probably pretty accurate
|u/SiroccoDream - 1 month
|
|“We totally knew that was going to happen, because our Leadership is
|strong and powerful. We *chose* not to prepare in any way because
|reasons!”
|u/zahqor - 1 month
|
|Or Kursk (Submarine)
|u/Grabthar_The_Avenger - 1 month
|
|Also sounds like the US pre-9/11
|u/tila1993 - 1 month
|
|Had me genuinely heated at all the gaslighting that went on in the
|first episode.
|u/bombmk - 1 month
|
|They are still suffering from the same institutional problems, for
|sure. When hierarchy is more important than the truth you are bound to
|run head first into some walls. The entire buildup to the Russian
|invasion was impacted by it too. FSB analysts basically being told to
|only submit analysis that supported the choice to invade. And that is
|how to get from 3 days to 2½ years.
|u/Longjumping_Whole240 - 1 month
|
|"How many Ukrainian brigades?" "3.6 brigades, not good not terrible"
|u/Low-Union6249 - 1 month
|
|Sounds like the Kursk submarine disaster response.
|u/THEGREATESTDERP - 1 month
|
|Do you know where to watch it?  Tried popcorn and stremio both have
|dead links. 
|u/joe0418 - 1 month
|
|Max
|u/DrBread420 - 1 month
|
|Dude, I was about to say the exact thing
|u/alastoris - 1 month
|
|This is my first thought too reading the title.
|u/Stable_Orange_Genius - 1 month
|
|'those above know better ' is a common phrase in Russia and it's never
|true
|u/ArthurBonesly - 1 month
|
|Russian culture is all about a paradoxical absolute deference* to, and
|contempt for, authority in all forms.
|u/DavidlikesPeace - 1 month
|
|Blind deference + low expectations  It's a great recipe for
|authoritarian mediocrity. 
|u/lacb1 - 1 month
|
|> authoritarian mediocrity That's be a great album title.
|u/Worried-Pick4848 - 1 month
|
|deference. as in, they defer.
|u/Comrade_Derpsky - 1 month
|
|Absolute deference because anything else can get you imprisoned or
|worse. Contempt for authority because the authorities are capricious
|assholes who don't give a fuck about you.
|u/thatthatguy - 1 month
|
|Never stop the enemy when they are making a mistake. In this case,
|the enemy is anyone above you in the bureaucracy.
|u/hypatianata - 1 month
|
|Someone else described it as cynical learned helplessness.
|u/niceworkthere - 1 month
|
|**TRUST THE PLAN** (Führer knows everything)
|u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA - 1 month
|
|"If I ignore the problem, eventually it'll go away."
|u/TjW0569 - 1 month
|
|That's why you don't give them problems, you give them dilemmas.
|Problems have generally fairly obvious solutions. Dilemmas, if you
|make one part better, the other gets worse.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 1 month
|
|And yet they still use it.
|u/iamarocketsfan - 1 month
|
|I know people want to make this out to be a Russian incompetence
|thing, but this happens in every bureaucracy. This is exacerbated
|because nature of intelligence is that you have to separate the 99%
|useless stuff with the 1% we gotta act on this type of intel. I mean
|just recently, Israel made the same mistake and look how dearly they
|paid for it. Anyways, just 2 cents from someone working in a really
|big company where a lot of people just be like "let those above handle
|it."
|u/DogshitLuckImmortal - 1 month
|
|One could be cynical and say Israel was planned for casus belli like
|the 6 day war but...
|u/Mach5Driver - 1 month
|
|must be an inside joke
|u/Seagull84 - 1 month
|
|It doesn't need to be true for Big Brother to continue to maintain
|totalitarian control.
|u/blainehamilton - 1 month
|
|Along with 'and then it got worse'
|u/Ok_Run_8184 - 1 month
|
|Didn't work out for them too well in WWII
|u/Additional-Duty-5399 - 1 month
|
|But every vatnik believes in it, otherwise their whole worldview
|crumbles.
|u/Ok-Secret5233 - 1 month
|
|Came here to say this. I've spent some time in Russia, and "those
|above know better" is the average Russian's understanding of politics.
|u/Kapowpow - 1 month
|
|It’s a basic tenet of conservatism in general, and it’s never true.
|Do you remember when trump wanted to stop all covid testing, so that
|case numbers would stop rising? Modern conservatives do not, will not
|actually govern.
|u/JustAPasingNerd - 1 month
|
|76 occupied settlements, not great, not terrible -- that guy above who
|knew better
|u/Any-Weight-2404 - 1 month
|
|If it was Russia that took 76 occupied settlement in days then we
|would never hear the end of the failings of Ukraine, but somehow
|people want to downplay this.
|u/IlluminatiMinion - 1 month
|
|I think they were mocking the Russians rather than downplaying
|Ukraine's achievement. For the record, I think it's a brilliant
|move. Putin has an impossible choice where all the options are
|really bad. Let's hope someone in Moscow is working out a way to
|get Putin to take a look out the window.
|u/DemonOfTheNorthwoods - 1 month
|
|Knowing Putin, he will never concede defeat and double down on
|trying to get the most out of this war; all at the nations
|expense, what with relying on North Korea for artillery shells and
|support and a leery China, all to eager to reclaim its historic
|claim and take more than that in Siberia.
|u/IlluminatiMinion - 1 month
|
|Definitely. Putin's fate is bound to the outcome of the war.
|This is why I think they will have to 'retire' him so they can
|end the war and try to blame it all on him. Dictators losing is
|usually fatal for their power.
|u/DemonOfTheNorthwoods - 1 month
|
|He’s hoping for: A) A Trump victory so that Trump can force an
|end to the war, or B) He passes away peacefully so his
|successor can deal with that problem and not him.
|u/syringistic - 1 month
|
|Trump will never force an end to the war. What he would
|force though, is an end to any aid and assistance NATO is
|providing.
|u/GWJYonder - 1 month
|
|You say that like Trump wouldn't actively give the
|Russians critical intelligence on Ukrainian strategy and
|positions. If Trump wins the election then Ukraine will,
|with the full support of the current administration, stop
|sending any more information to the US and will start
|relocation assets and changing strategies so that as much
|of the information that Trump will be able to give away is
|obsolete as possible.
|u/shicken684 - 1 month
|
|Well NATO nations don't have to listen to the US. They'll
|keep helping Ukraine. But the US ending its involvement
|is the end of the war for Ukraine. Europe is starting a
|lot of arms production, but only Poland is taking it
|seriously. I don't even think the UK has upped their
|storm shadow production from a few units a month. Ukraine
|getting hundreds of those could change the war.
|Additionally, what people seem to always forget is even
|when the US arms and ammo deliveries dried up earlier this
|year Biden was still providing intelligence to Ukraine.
|Trump won't do that, and would likely share US
|intelligence with Russia. He's already done that on
|multiple occasions. If Trump wins, Ukraine losses this
|war. It's that simple. Edit: Even more important is if
|the US backs out Russia will gain air supremacy rather
|quickly. Almost all the anti-air missiles are from US
|factories, and even if say Germany wanted to buy those it
|would require approval. Something that may not be granted
|by Trump and a republican congress. Ukraine would run out
|of ammunition for its air defense in months, if not weeks.
|Europeans are building factories for patriot missiles in
|Spain, Germany, and Poland but they won't be operational
|for years.
|u/syringistic - 1 month
|
|Agree on all points, especially regarding Poland. Aside
|from all theyve done so far, they also just signed a
|procurement contract for like 80 Apaches. They'll have
|one of the largest modern attack helicopter fleets in
|Europe, on top of having the largest modern tank force.
|And they're building up their national guard. Poland
|takes the Russian threat very seriously, regardless of
|who is in power.
|u/Fetscher - 1 month
|
|Which will be the end.
|u/fullup72 - 1 month
|
|honest question since I'm not that good with that region's
|history or geography, but would it be possible for at least part
|of Siberia to just exist as an independent buffer nation or
|state? Doesn't look like Russia is treating them well, and might
|not be any better under NK/China rule.
|u/DemonOfTheNorthwoods - 1 month
|
|Possible, but it would be a tricky situation for an
|independent nation in that region. Russia would try its damest
|to reclaim it, and then there’s countries like China to worry
|about as well. While I could see Chechnya succeed from Russia,
|it would end up being a terrorist state again.
|u/8ROWNLYKWYD - 1 month
|
|Why is it so hard to find a hero in Russia?
|u/ilion_knowles - 1 month
|
|Because there are none. Since they killed Navalny anyway. He
|wasn’t perfect by any means but he was the last hope for a hero
|there for all of us imo.
|u/Jthe1andOnly - 1 month
|
|The FBK is still a thing. Navalny founded it and they still
|are working on anti corruption and bringing these things to
|light. They definitely have an uphill battle but they are
|still an organization. They put their lives at risk everyday
|but they continue to work.
|u/nanotree - 1 month
|
|The window that everyone keeps falling from in Russia?
|u/IonaLiebert - 1 month
|
|Russia is huge though. Ukraine is also huge but no way near Russia's
|size.
|u/Inamakha - 1 month
|
|It’s huge but importance of these region is far greater than these
|in Siberia. There was an article stating percentage of
|agricultural and livestock output of whole country in that region
|and it was significant. If I remember correctly it was about 10%
|of total livestock and around 8% of total agricultural production.
|This region is also is responsible for about 3.5% of total
|industrial output. Total of 4 milion people might be affected by
|this.
|u/AgITGuy - 1 month
|
|Power and steel are the big industrial players in the oblast.
|Both of which russia needs for damn near everything.
|u/OttawaTGirl - 1 month
|
|Double whammy if you knock out rails as well. Russias rail
|system is in bad bad shape. Knock out steel to hobble any rail
|repairs and damage the rails to keep it from even getting
|there and drastically slow resource movement to the southern
|front.
|u/AgITGuy - 1 month
|
|It gets EVEN better for Ukraine and bad for Russia.
|Apparently from what I can gather, Kursk was THE rail hub
|for much of the Russian frontline supplies. By taking out
|rail and rail stations in Kursk, Russia and Putin will be
|forced to use lesser rail branches to try to keep up supply
|to the frontline. This is the best Ryan McBeth dilemma that
|Ukraine could have given - does Russia fight to liberate
|it's rail system and suffer tons of casualties to do so, or
|does it accept the loss of Kursk and then suffer worse
|attrition due to terrible supply lines. As someone who
|plays HOI4 all the time, supply and supply range in
|Russia/Soviet clay is always terrible and is your worst
|enemy, even as the Russians/Soviets.
|u/series_hybrid - 1 month
|
|Most of russia has poor Weather for farming or ranching. Ukraine
|is a fertile region, so the part of Russia that is adjacent to
|Ukraine is some of their best land. PLUS! Since Russias
|population has been shrinking, they will not need as much food!
|Very strategic...
|u/zyzzogeton - 1 month
|
|Breadbasket of Europe.
|u/ilion_knowles - 1 month
|
|I may be missing what you’re getting to here, but Ukraine is
|the breadbasket of Europe.
|u/zyzzogeton - 1 month
|
|Yes, that is what I meant.
|u/Zephyr-5 - 1 month
|
|True, but a huge portion of that is practically empty. It's like
|with Canada. It's a huge country, but 90% of the population is
|within 100 miles of the US/Canada border.
|u/Northumberlo - 1 month
|
|I was going to say the same thing. It’s the cities that hold all
|the people. The US is similar despite having a massive
|population, there are rurale areas devoid of people bigger than
|most countries, and cities with a greater population than some
|countries.
|u/Abedeus - 1 month
|
|Let's be honest, not many territories East of Moscow count as far
|as people's understanding of "Russia" goes. Nobody expects Ukraine
|to conquer everything right up to Chinese border. But territories
|west of Moscow, including the city and its surroundings, are way,
|way wealthier and more important to country than Siberia or
|various other regions.
|u/Rvalldrgg - 1 month
|
|The way things are going, Ukraine will be equal in size to Russia
|by Labor Day.
|u/SirGeorgeAgdgdgwngo - 1 month
|
|It's a play on a quote from the TV show Chernobyl. *3.6 roentgen,
|not great, not terrible*
|u/Ball-Fondler - 1 month
|
|Russia took much more than that... The attack on Kursk is great
|strategically but it's nowhere near what Russia occupies in Ukraine.
|u/panzerfan - 1 month
|
|Ukraine did claim what Russia took in 1 year. Now, it did take
|Ukraine 1 week, but Ukraine hasn't taken the whole of Kursk yet.
|They need to take a whole oblast or two to equal what Russia has
|taken from Ukraine.
|u/POD80 - 1 month
|
|I mean, some of us are watching worried the other shoe is about to
|fall. Enemy forces overextending themselves invading Russia isn't
|exactly unheard of. Russia hasn't exactly cloaked itself in glory
|during this conflict, but it's hard to look at the resources
|available to each nation and wonder at how long Ukraine can support
|such an advance.
|u/New_Rock6296 - 1 month
|
|Sir ... We used the good meter. It's not 76 settlements. It's 1,000.
|u/Fr4t - 1 month
|
|"I saw Ukranian boots on the ground in Kursk oblast." "YOU
|DIDN'T!!! BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT. THERE."
|u/Pringletingl - 1 month
|
|"Tell me, Commander, how could Ukrainians possibly get on the
|roof?" "Well that's what I'm here to investigate..." "So you do
|not know?" "Disgraceful...."
|u/Slobotic - 1 month
|
|"What you are describing is not possible."
|u/Alex_Duos - 1 month
|
|76? I wonder what the fallout will be.
|u/Paeyvn - 1 month
|
|Hopefully not too bad, I don't want to set the world on fire.
|u/JustAPasingNerd - 1 month
|
|Putin running and hiding in his vault maybe?
|u/toughtittie5 - 1 month
|
|Looks like someone is going to be "accidentally" falling from a window
|soon.
|u/No_Good_Cowboy - 1 month
|
|What do you mean. My scale says 3.6 settlments.
|u/luffy_mib - 1 month
|
|"All going according to plan. Trust me, bro!"
|u/Admiral_Janovsky - 1 month
|
|Werent problem like this why many WW2 battles were won/lost? Not just
|wrong information but complacency and denial. Thank god for Russian
|authoritarian style of command, hope they keep up at it.
|u/Kaiisim - 1 month
|
|It's the main reason the Soviets lost so many more men than the Nazis.
|They would refuse to let commanders retreat, leading entire armies to
|be encircled and destroyed.
|u/vital_chaos - 1 month
|
|This happened to the Germans as well; Hitler did not allow the 6th
|Army to retreat, leading to them being surrounded and having to
|surrender. A large percentage of those captured never made it home.
|u/letsgetawayfromhere - 1 month
|
|It was also one of the main reason for civilian casualties
|referring to ethnic Germans fleeing from countries East of the
|German borders of today. Nazi officials denied them access to
|trains or roads, so they could only leave when the Red Army was
|already there. See [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_a
|nd_expulsion_of_Germans) and
|[here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuation_of_East_Prussia).
|u/Meihem76 - 1 month
|
|They seem to be keeping up this glorious tradition. There appear
|to be modern blocking units in Ukraine.
|u/grappling__hook - 1 month
|
|I mean, they did have orders to shoot their own troops at
|Stalingrad, but what the previous commenter is probably refering
|to is the hundreds of thousands of Russian troops encircled during
|the opening stages of Operation Barbarossa because of Stalin's
|refusal to allow commanders to withdraw their troops. Later on
|in the war the gross discrepancy in casualties was mostly to do
|with Russian offensive tactics rather than defence (i.e human
|waves) or Stalin giving arbitrary orders for commanders to take
|objectives too quickly (70,000 extra Russian casualties happened
|because Stalin wanted to take Berlin before the allies). Edit:
|some numbers
|u/BlinkysaurusRex - 1 month
|
|For people who are even less familiar with this, blocking
|divisions(the ones that would shoot deserters) were extremely rare
|and only have a few documented instances of it happening and only
|after a certain period of time. You say this when you’ve Seen
|Enemy at The Gates with Jude Law and his British accent, and think
|you know anything about the eastern front because of it. Blocking
|divisions were a literal drop in the ocean in terms of
|responsibility of Soviet deaths during WWII. So negligible that
|it’s not even worth mentioning. Also when you’re talking about
|WWII it’s **soviets**, not just Russians.
|u/bombhills - 1 month
|
|Thank you. It’s a largely exaggerated near myth. The red army
|was ruthless, but not that stupid.
|u/bombhills - 1 month
|
|Source? This has been pretty well proven to be highly exaggerated.
|u/BAXR6TURBSKIFALCON - 1 month
|
|Stalins refusal to retreat wasn’t a necessarily bad one at the time,
|they needed to slow the German advance to mobilise, rearm and shift
|to full wartime mode after the Germans kicked in the door. And like
|the other said, Hitler and the Germans did this too and were
|arguably much worse since they failed to adapt to the simple notion
|that they are losing. The Americans did this, The British too.
|u/DavidlikesPeace - 1 month
|
|No, "no step back" really is a godawful concept and prematurely
|applied well before it was sus vindicated at Moscow y
|Stalingrad.    A nation the size of the USSR absolutely should
|trade space for time. Trained soldiers are useful. Land is often
|less so. Russia handily defeated two major invasions by the Swedes
|and Napoleon, not by throwing waves of men, but by pulling back
|and letting logistics y climate weaken their foe first. Stalin
|didn't do that, and nearly lost everything twice. His pride
|mingled with contempt for life prematurely shredded the original
|Red Army in 1941 and nearly repeated the same at Rostov and
|Kharkiv in 1942. 
|u/Bimbows97 - 1 month
|
|The issue with Russia is in the European context they do not
|have space. Moscow is like 500 km from Ukraine. All the core
|Russia stuff is right there out of Poland and Ukraine. And then
|there's vast empty space of nothing at all, with some towns here
|and there but for the most part not even usable. What do you
|think, they just move Moscow 2000 km east or something? There's
|a reason they have so much land in the first place, because no
|one else wants it. It is permafrost swamp, you can't build
|anything, it is cold as hell, super far from everything etc.
|That's the real issue with Russia and being attacked from
|Europe, all their inportant stuff is basically in Europe.
|u/Anyweyr - 1 month
|
|It's also probably a big reason they don't care about fighting
|climate change. A warming planet could be very good for
|Russia.
|u/letsgetawayfromhere - 1 month
|
|Only if they are very lazy in their thinking (and I have no
|doubt they are). The permafrost soil is a swamp and starts
|to release large amounts of methane when it thaws. Not only
|does this greatly accelerate climate change, but it also
|makes the ground very unstable, as some of the methane is
|stored in large bubbles underground, and when they thaw and
|rise, the ground simply collapses. As long as the methane in
|the ground is frozen, this is not a major problem, but that
|is changing. Perhaps Russia is speculating on getting hold
|of the resources in the ground. But if the ground is swampy
|unstable or downright dangerous, or both at the same time,
|it will be very difficult to exploit it unless you use a
|Star Trek transporter. Edit: My English sucks.
|u/Anyweyr - 1 month
|
|They might not care as long as they can trick or force
|somebody into taking on the task of development there.
|u/StarInTheMoon - 1 month
|
|I mean, it's about what, 1200km from Lviv to Moscow,
|Stalingrad looks similar. There was *plenty* of space to do
|the usual Russian strategy of bleeding an invader on the way
|in and until it's winter and the enemy's logistical situation
|inevitably becomes as bad or worse than that of the Russians.
|Sure, the modern-day situation is different without the empire
|to be a buffer, but in WWII? Stalin is absolutely the reason
|they had *such* a horrific time of things.
|u/Bimbows97 - 1 month
|
|Look at the map man, invading Russia in terms of their
|actual central infrastructure from Europe is like one
|European country invading another. It's very comparable to
|Germany invading France or Spain. When you look at the
|entire rest of Russia, which is as big as Europe, all the
|important stuff is really close to Europe. When it could be
|8000 km away.
|u/Lamballama - 1 month
|
|The issues is Russia views war as a science and not an art. If you
|have a certain position and are trying to assault another position,
|you need exactly this many men and exactly this many artillery shells
|to take the position. They don't anticipate being given the wrong
|information, or that their formulas are wrong, or that the enemy could
|have resupplies, or that they could have an inaccurate reading of the
|enemy yor their own condition (brovnya, where everyone is lying and
|you know they're lying but you can't call them on it because it's
|better for everyone if you don't, is rampant here) Which is why the
|US takes an artistic approach. Specifically the kind of art where you
|splash whole buckets of paint on the canvas and call it a day
|u/a_melindo - 26 days
|
|The Russian approach isn't *bad*, it's more that this isn't the war
|Russian doctrine was written for. Soviet/Russian military doctrine
|assumes that they will be fighting through a nuclear wasteland,
|where nobody has any kind of communications, vehicles are buttoned
|up so tight their crews may never step out for fear of
|radioactivity, etc. In that environment, you can't have a NATO-
|style "do what you want and ask for help when you need it" policy
|for front line units, because it may be impossible for the front
|line units to communicate where they are and what they need in a
|world where nuclear EMPs have fried every piece of wire in the
|hemisphere. So naturally, they make super detailed battle plans and
|calculate needs down to the last sandvich and shell. It isn't the
|most efficient, but it doesn't need to be, it just has to be better
|than whatever NATO is doing which is less optimized for that
|battlefield.
|u/The247Kid - 1 month
|
|Yes - there are multiple instances of Hilter himself telling his army
|to NOT do something that lead to significant, tide-turning events. I
|don't have time to look those up but hoping someone else can share. My
|jaw was on the floor when I read some of these accounts of what
|happened. Not to mention Pearl Harbor. They had early warning but it
|was dismissed. Meanwhile, weather balloons...
|u/big_duo3674 - 1 month
|
|It works out though because Russia is going to start needing to use
|their old WWII equipment again once a their "modern" stuff has been
|broken and they can no longer get parts
|u/newguy208 - 1 month
|
|That's literally what Stalin did when he was told about Germans
|amassing near their border.
|u/Drezhar - 1 month
|
|>Werent problem like this why many ~~WW2~~ battles were won/lost?
|Yes, they were.
|u/testedonsheep - 1 month
|
|Isn't the whole military's chain of command depends on "those above
|know better".
|u/9cmAAA - 1 month
|
|Misinformation, not acting on correct information, policy regarding
|communication, etc has had very serious impacts in most wars. I
|recall the Germans having a massive logistical pile up during their
|invasion of France, ripe for bombing and would destroyed their ability
|to conduct blitzkrieg. Destroyed before they could even start. It
|was spotted by an ally plane but due to communication errors and lack
|of action nothing happened. The German attack could have been stopped
|almost immediately and that changes everything. France doesn’t fall.
|Imagine that.
|u/geraltoffvkingrivia - 1 month
|
|Yes. I believe it was Erwin Rommel who, after inspecting the Atlantic
|wall, recommended putting more defenses in and around Normandy as he
|believed it was vulnerable to a land invasion. The party ignored him
|as they believed the invasion would have to come at Calais, the point
|closest to England. Hitler also took more and more control of the
|military believing he alone knew what he was doing, hence why as the
|war drags on they continue to lose more and more. Any “smart” moves
|came from the generals and actual military men.
|u/trash-_-boat - 1 month
|
|I mean, what's the point of having moles in the enemy ranks if you're
|not even going to take their information?
|u/luffy_mib - 1 month
|
|It shows that Russia really can't afford their citizens to go panic
|mode to start some kind of uprising when the enemy is right inside
|their own territory. Sooner or later, the cloth that's hiding the
|truth will get burned away by the war that's coming to their doorstep,
|and it will be too late for the citizens to react in aiding the
|defense.
|u/Visual-Floor-7839 - 1 month
|
|Especially in WW1 and the lead-up imo. They lost 2 fleets to the
|Imperial Japanese Navy and then lost huge ground battles to the
|Japanese Army. Iirc the Tsar had visited Japan in his youth and been
|beat up there, so he had a vast hatred that turned to racism for the
|Japanese which lead the Russians to underestimate them at every point.
|u/ianbattlesrobots - 1 month
|
|Leopard 2s Ate My Face
|u/unfunfununf - 1 month
|
|Brilliant.
|u/marcio0 - 1 month
|
|2 Leopards 2 Face Leopards ate my face: Kursk drift
|u/N7_Reaver - 1 month
|
|"Some of you may die. But it's a sacrifice, I am willing to make."
|u/chalky331 - 1 month
|
|“Soldier, when I’m in command every mission is a suicide mission”
|u/mak10z - 1 month
|
|Ol' Pootin is pulling tactics from Zapp Brannigan's ['Big Book of
|war'](https://i.imgur.com/AnwvIz9.png)
|u/Hootbag - 1 month
|
|Show them my medal Dmitry! Sigh. <points>
|u/m71nu - 1 month
|
|That is just part of the regular Russian Army swearing in ceremony.
|u/Beavers4beer - 1 month
|
|"Thinking the Ukrainians had a pre-set kill limit, I sent wave after
|wave of my own men into the meat grinder" -Putin, probably
|u/josefx - 1 month
|
|The worst part about that joke is that he would have been right at
|the beginning of the war. Most of Europe sourced its amunition from
|a single country and that country had just banned all military
|exports to war torn countries. He basically caught almost everyone
|with their pants down and he is still loosing.
|u/thebendavis - 1 month
|
|"Now which one of you cowards shit in my pants?"
|u/nixielover - 1 month
|
|"most of you will die, and it's a sacrificce we are going to make"
|seems more suitable in case of the russia
|u/Earlier-Today - 1 month
|
|And yet the average Russian citizen in the invaded territories is just
|kind of like, "this isn't so bad."
|u/Caspur42 - 1 month
|
|Aka, “We can’t do anything at the moment about it”
|u/Atheios569 - 1 month
|
|Authoritarianism doesn’t work, and it never has, and never will. How
|many times do we have to fucking put ourselves through this torturous
|bullshit to realize that?
|u/DavidlikesPeace - 1 month
|
|Tyrants are underhandedly good at seizing power. And it is likely
|human instinct to accept hierarchical authoritarianism. There is a
|reason tyrannies are everywhere. None of that means they are good or
|even mediocre at doing things. Tyrannies have overseen history's worst
|blunders  Democracy requires educated citizens to work.  But I would
|agree with you. In terms of their actual efficiency, quality of life,
|and likely durability in the future, democratic republics are streets
|ahead. 
|u/Laugh92 - 1 month
|
|>And it is likely human instinct to accept hierarchical
|authoritarianism Yup, studies have shown that around a third of
|humanity is hard wired for hierarchal societies. Also, literally an
|hour ago I looked at Trumpers celebrating whilst wearing t-shirts
|that said 'Dictator from Day One' with Trumps face on it. They want
|this. These kinds of people exist in every society. Found it.
|Post below. [https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1es2dgo/the
|y\_arent\_even\_afraid/](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/
|1es2dgo/they_arent_even_afraid/)
|u/Euclid_Interloper - 1 month
|
|Authoritarianism often works in the short term and fails in the long
|term. Countries can have meteoric rises like China in the 00's - 10's
|or Germany in the 30's - 40's. But it ultimately fails and fails hard
|when overconfidence and long term consequences come home to roost.
|Democracies may be a bit chaotic and sometimes seem a dysfunctional.
|But, ultimately, they're adaptable and able to develop to consensus.
|u/FromTheGulagHeSees - 1 month
|
|Add in South Korea’s heavy handed approach in the mid to late 1900s
|that brought about economic prosperity. It’s fucked in a lot of
|ways, but GDP rose dramatically. Over time the country dropped the
|dictatorship and went democracy giving it staying power to address
|long term stability 
|u/VRichardsen - 1 month
|
|> Authoritarianism doesn’t work, and it never has, and never will.
|Depends on the context, really. Sometimes when a nation is unable to
|build a solid institutional core, a strongman is all that can keep it
|together. See Tito, Saddam or Ghadaffi. Not exactly nuns, but with one
|thing in common: things got way worse once they were removed from
|power. Disclaimer: I am not endorsing dictatorships
|u/VTinstaMom - 1 month
|
|Things also got worse while your examples were in power. Competent
|dictators are a rare breed indeed.
|u/VRichardsen - 1 month
|
|Exactly. The initial extra deaths of a pandemic are the "tax" of
|keeping in place a system that *overall* produces far more
|benefits on the long run. I will put an example that illustrates
|the point even more poignantly: Aldo Moro. Back in the 70's,
|Italy saw a wave of kidnappings and murders at the hands of the
|Red Brigades, a Marxist–Leninist armed terrorist guerilla group.
|At one point, they kidnapped Aldo Moro, former prime minister of
|Italy. After days passed without results in the investigation, at
|one point the chief of police, general Carlo Alberto Dalla Chiesa,
|was asked if he would consider torturing the head of the Red
|Brigades, who was also in prison, in order to extract the location
|of Moro. He answered that "Italy can allow itself to lose Aldo
|Moro, but cannot allow itself the implementation of torture." Aldo
|Moro was killed after 54 days of captivity, and in the end, the
|Red Brigades were defeated, by lawful means.
|u/world_2_ - 1 month
|
|It works for a while, especially in China's case, but the rot sets in
|eventually.
|u/b00tyw4rrior420 - 1 month
|
|Lol what do you mean? The rot set in almost immediately lol.
|u/fotomoose - 1 month
|
|I'm thinking a couple more times, just to be sure.
|u/throwawayeastbay - 1 month
|
|All government is inherently authoritarian
|u/whatupmygliplops - 1 month
|
|Because the majority of human beings always prefer it. Even in the
|west, the majority is falling over themselves to give away their
|rights to freedom of speech, the majority want harsh, crushing
|censorship by the Daddy Government who knows better and will take care
|of them.
|u/FromTheGulagHeSees - 1 month
|
|There’s a time and place for any type of government. The problem is
|when it overstays its welcome when change is needed. 
|u/macross1984 - 1 month
|
|Pretty lame excuse I'd say.
|u/mteir - 1 month
|
|When the system punishes initiative, you get complacency.
|u/m71nu - 1 month
|
|He is sayin this on Russian TV? 🍿
|u/yollov - 1 month
|
|I can already imagine what the future police report will look like.
|"The lawyer in question wrapped himself in a carpet, shot himself
|twice in the back of his head and then jumped out of a window. There
|is no indication that this wasn't a suicide"
|u/CommieBorks - 1 month
|
|on the way down he chugged a kettle full of **spicy** tea man he
|must have been thirsty
|u/Sozebj - 1 month
|
|Did Putin really think that his invasion of Ukraine was going to a short
|duration limited military operation??? With a one party system based on
|loyalty not competence, and the same president for 24 years, the higher
|ups know how not to make Putin angry and that is about it.
|u/halfty1 - 1 month
|
|To be fair everyone expected Ukraine to fold fairly quickly (if not
|from a steamroll, from government collapse). Ukraine’s success in
|holding back the Russians took even their allies by surprise. Everyone
|was overestimating Russia’s military prowess leading up to the
|invasion.
|u/Automatic_Soil9814 - 1 month
|
|If Ukraine lost that one airfield at the beginning, it could have
|been a very different outcome.
|u/Kind_Cantaloupe_5019 - 1 month
|
|Is there much footage from that time?
|u/tishmaster - 1 month
|
|There's quite a bit of you care to dig. Hostomel airport is
|the airport referred to above.
|u/abakedapplepie - 1 month
|
|I remember feeling heartbroken watching livestreams of armored
|Russian columns on Ukrainian cameras, it's truly incredible to
|compare sentiments from then vs the situation now
|u/AdoringCHIN - 1 month
|
|Yup, the US was expecting to arm and finance a Ukrainian insurgency
|and government in exile. Instead we're arming the actual military
|and Zelenskyy is holding strong
|u/Sozebj - 1 month
|
|Yes, many people did expect that including many people whose opinion
|I value, but when you are in charge ( like Putin) in a high stakes
|endeavor you must ask you subordinates, When things go wrong, what
|is our plan B, C, D, to make it work? Putin failed as a leader, to
|believe Russia might fail.
|u/IBarricadeI - 1 month
|
|The problem caused by Russian culture is that the military was
|rotting from the inside. Equipment was being grifted and sold,
|numbers were overreported to look better than they were, morale
|was poor but soldiers had to give the perception of strong will to
|their commanding officers. At every level the Russian military
|was telling the next level up how strong and motivated they were,
|and it just kept going up the chain, likely getting even more
|exaggerated. The reports Putin and fellow commanders were acting
|off of would likely have made the invasion a success if they were
|real, but they weren't and it was so bad it caught Russia by
|surprise and now they're stuck and Putin's ego won't let them out.
|u/Earlier-Today - 1 month
|
|If they had actually killed Zelensky or taken even a part of Kyiv,
|they would have won. It got scarily close in those first couple
|weeks.
|u/Not_a_question- - 1 month
|
|History is filled with things like that. The germans were literally
|in sight of moscow (~20km, scouts even got there) in WWII when they
|had to stop their tanks due to the cold.
|u/Earlier-Today - 1 month
|
|All because Hitler couldn't wait half a year.
|u/Sozebj - 1 month
|
|Yes they did, but still a failure of Putin’s leadership to have
|multiple backup plans to take advantage of the situation.
|u/Earlier-Today - 1 month
|
|Absolutely. Putin's foolishness and greed are going to cause a
|crash in Russia that will be felt for decades. They're going to
|lose the war and they'll have a stupidly weak military because of
|that. It would not surprise me to see groups try to break off from
|Russia in the years after the war.
|u/littlebubulle - 1 month
|
|> Did Putin really think that his invasion of Ukraine was going to a
|short duration limited military operation???  Probably. From my
|point of view, it looks like a larger mafia tried to take over the
|territory of a smaller one by rolling in and expecting subordinates to
|just fall in line with the new leadership. Except Russia was facing
|an actual military instead of gangsters.
|u/RecursiveCook - 1 month
|
|Short answer: Yes, almost everyone thought Ukraine would fall quickly.
|Zelenskyy had balls of steel to remain and fight and repelling the
|Kiev attack was no small feat. Russia really thought they would win
|and so did most of the world. If he had fled, or if enough people fled
|it would have been different but they all rallied together. Once the
|dust settled Ukraine got a massive morale boost knowing they can win
|this war, and Russians are fighting with lower morale knowing they can
|lose this war.
|u/Sozebj - 1 month
|
|Yes, many people I respect did not give Ukraine any chance, but
|Putin failed to have viable contingencies plans to make a short
|duration conflict reality. Now, Putin is now involved in a civil war
|of his own creation.
|u/Living-Guidance3351 - 1 month
|
|To be fair, 2014 was very different. There are clear differences
|between then and now and it is intellectually dishonest to act as
|though there is not.
|u/Sozebj - 1 month
|
|Yes there are big differences. One is COVID, which I think further
|restricted Putin from hearing those differences.
|u/Brave_Nerve_6871 - 1 month
|
|"Putin has never done any miscalculations, we'll trust his gut feeling"
|u/shizzlebob - 1 month
|
|Narrator: Those above did, in fact, not know better
|u/BlakLite_15 - 1 month
|
|If “those above” knew better, Russia wouldn’t be a failing totalitarian
|oligarchy and the invasion of Ukraine would’ve never happened in the
|first place
|u/series_hybrid - 1 month
|
|Yes, yes, comrade. We know all along. We are simply luring the foolish
|Ukrainians into a trap! See how the burning Russian tanks form a smoke-
|screen?
|u/zuulbe - 1 month
|
|How soviet
|u/Mach5Driver - 1 month
|
|retro!
|u/DogPlane3425 - 1 month
|
|This was the Soviets view of the NAZI's just before their invasion.
|Lower level officers had reports of movement along the border but higher
|up just ignored the reports. So as the great Yogi Berra said deja-vu
|all over again!
|u/xkuclone2 - 1 month
|
|Sounds like this lawmaker will accidentally fall out of a basement
|window and die.
|u/superanth - 1 month
|
|And also walked through the core of a nuclear reactor to die of
|radiation poisoning.
|u/Nerevarine91 - 1 month
|
|Fell down a flight of bullets
|u/Pictoru - 1 month
|
|Not before drowning in the desert
|u/BagelandShmear48 - 1 month
|
|You would think they'd learn from Israel and Gaza already about the
|consequences of ignoring intelligence of an impending attack.
|u/LurkerInSpace - 1 month
|
|The Russians probably believed that information about an attack was
|designed to pull Russian forces away from the front, and that the
|attack itself either wouldn't happen or would be like the previous
|much more limited incursions. They had assumed that Ukraine lacked
|offensive capabilities, therefore they didn't understand how likely it
|was that they would face a real attack.
|u/Fickle_Ad_8860 - 1 month
|
|Unless you want said attack to happen. Bibi wants to stay in power and
|out of jail. Vlad needs new soldiers. Nothing drives recruitment
|better than an attack on one's homeland.
|u/Falernum - 1 month
|
|Occam says nah. And neither of these misses are helping the careers
|of the men who missed them.
|u/BagelandShmear48 - 1 month
|
|As much as I have contempt for Bibi I don't think he wanted it to
|happen. At least not on this scale. Not to mention we had a
|systematic failure of leadership and arrogance to the high command
|level.
|u/Reasonable-Rain-7474 - 1 month
|
|Wish they would do something about those”above “ them.
|u/Full-Penguin - 1 month
|
|All they'll do it get out of the way so they don't get hit by them
|after they trip out of a window. That's how you work your way up in
|Russia, and soon enough people will get getting out of the way of you!
|u/kronikfumes - 1 month
|
|“Those above know better” a tail as old as time for Russia.
|u/Jestersfriend - 1 month
|
|That's what happens when you have yes-men. Everyone is afraid to give
|bad news. "ah the other guy will sort it out." I'm sure the other guy
|thought, "ah the other guy will sort it out..." As well.
|u/ShopObjective - 1 month
|
|100% they didn't know...they didn't even know about that mass shooting
|even after the US told them about it
|u/Strong-Piccolo-5546 - 1 month
|
|Russians respond slow,but they still have a massive advantage in
|manpower and equipment. So russians overtime will be capable of pushing
|ukraine out at great losses and destroying russian territory. we need
|to increase what we give to ukraine. they need more vehicles. We need to
|help recruit retired NATO pilots and mechanics to form additional F-16
|crews. Russians are not good, but they are bigger and that much mass
|will keep pushing ukraine back. Russia is slow gaining ground in the
|east. However, its constant. Ukraine needs more equipment and more
|planes. cheerleading and going hahaha, does not really help them.
|u/xenocide117 - 1 month
|
|Why did I see graphite on the roof?
|u/cooooquip - 1 month
|
|It should not be there comrade? Perhaps we should have a meeting and
|discuss why
|u/ricketycrickett88 - 1 month
|
|Totalitarian incompetence. It never changes. Thank god.
|u/Robestos86 - 1 month
|
|Reminds me of gilderoy Lockhart... "Of course professor Snape I could
|have countered that easily if I wanted to".
|u/KnightMareInc - 1 month
|
|How very russian
|u/justforkinks0131 - 1 month
|
|There is a russian proverb (soviet really): "Boss knows best because
|boss gets paid more."
|u/GrandGarand - 1 month
|
|In a world of posturing, Ukraine brings the, “fuck it lets ball”
|attitude that is sorely needed.
|u/MrBlack103 - 1 month
|
|Almost like, despite their protests, authoritarians are terrible at
|running countries.
|u/glintch - 1 month
|
|Completely normal phenomenon
|u/spideyghetti - 1 month
|
|Sounds like the guards in the original Splinter Cell.  "It was
|prroobably naathing"
|u/yumyumdeviledegg - 1 month
|
|Isn’t putler too short to be above and know better?
|u/BartholomewSchneider - 1 month
|
|Is the incursion into Russia weakening Ukraine somewhere else, does it
|make them vulnerable in any way?
|u/-SWADED- - 1 month
|
|Nice try Putin
|u/BartholomewSchneider - 1 month
|
|That's just the only thing I can think of, other than complete
|ineptitude.
|u/babbitts2ndbutthole - 1 month
|
|Thank you, "those above"!
|u/Marine5484 - 1 month
|
|Holy crap that is some serious Soviet era copium....I thought they ran
|out or sold all those bottles.
|u/QuadlessPyjack - 1 month
|
|“…because those above know better” Morgan Freeman narrator voice: As it
|turned out, they certainly did not.
|u/im_a_stapler - 1 month
|
|well what should they do, criticize Putin and die?
|u/Dark-Cloud666 - 1 month
|
|Good job and keep listening to the guys above. Im sure they know what
|they are doing.
|u/BruceForsyth55 - 1 month
|
|I don’t wanna sound stupid here but did Putin want this as an excuse to
|call an existential crisis and force more meat for the grinder and
|galvanise some support or is it a simple case of Russia is a massive
|paper tiger with no army left to hold its own borders?
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 1 month
|
|I don't really trust Russian lawmakers to tell the truth in anything.
|Especially not their own blunders.
|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Gurulyov
|u/Divine_Porpoise - 1 month
|
|So all the way to the top? A personal failure by Putin?
|u/TrainingWheelsFail - 1 month
|
|Classic Soviet apparatchiks.
|u/DET_SWAT - 1 month
|
|Probably because the believe that Russia military is so superior that it
|not will be a problem
|u/shizbox06 - 1 month
|
|Sounds like the corporation I work for.
|u/OliverOyl - 1 month
|
|Sounds like a typical Russia Lie
|u/Suspicious_Feeling27 - 1 month
|
|Sure they did...
|u/rdldr1 - 1 month
|
|Famous last words.
|u/aplayer_v1 - 1 month
|
|I am pressing x for doubt
|u/AOEmishap - 1 month
|
|They knew better not to hang around Kursk...
|u/Rude_Associate_4116 - 1 month
|
|Good … good… shift the blame around. Fight each other. Let the lack of
|responsibility flow through you
|u/Generic_Superhero - 1 month
|
|"We totally knew it was going to happen but failed to take it seriously"
|doesn't seem to be any better than "We didn't know it was going to
|happen."
|u/HumaDracobane - 1 month
|
|I love how instead of giving credit to the UA they prefer to be deeing
|as incompetent and useless...
|u/reddda2 - 1 month
|
|Have “those above known better” for the past 2+ years?? Lol
|u/systemfrown - 1 month
|
|I don’t know if this is true but it’s the most Russian wartime thing
|I’ve heard recently.
|u/Hanuman_Jr - 1 month
|
|If you think you know better you may find yourself on an Indonesian
|helicopter ride so it makes sense.
|u/thickener - 1 month
|
|Same as it ever was
|u/Hanuman_Jr - 1 month
|
|Computer, make me a GIF of David Byrne with Putin's face, you know
|the drill
|u/Highthere_90 - 1 month
|
|Yes that explains why putin had an emergency meeting about it and is in
|panic mode
|u/dorf_lundgren - 1 month
|
|I wonder if Andrey is going to have a window-related "accident" soon for
|going off-message.
|u/jalanajak - 1 month
|
|"Инициатива наказуема" - "being initiarive is punishable" is a
|philosophical principle well-known in Russia.
|u/Ploppyun - 1 month
|
|Having initiative
|u/NarrowBoxtop - 1 month
|
|Just finished watching Chernobyl and this all tracks with soviet/Russian
|mindset
|u/rileyyesno - 1 month
|
|or basically hoping to use the deaths to mobilize support for the
|invasion in the rest of russia. putic doesn't actually give a fuck.
|u/the_old_dude2018 - 1 month
|
|The Trump/Covid strategy
|u/TittlesMcJizzum - 1 month
|
|So did they let it happen to gain support for their war or did they
|underestimate Ukraine forces?
|u/ShiraLillith - 1 month
|
|Those above: "How can they invade us? We are Russia! We can't be
|invaded!"
|u/DoggedStooge - 1 month
|
|Those above: "It's a feint." Ukraine: "Lol."
|u/itsl8erthanyouthink - 1 month
|
|Sounds like the workers on the Titanic. I recommend the lower deck
|Russians nab the closest rafts they can find and let the captain go down
|with the ship
|u/the_cardfather - 1 month
|
|80 years later German tanks are once again advancing on Kursk. Except
|this time US and British Intel is working against the Russians.
|u/OldBoots - 1 month
|
|Sounds like it's time for a change.
|u/Chaotic_Conundrum - 1 month
|
|Just a typical day in Russia
|u/Isaac_Shepard - 1 month
|
|Always question authority
|u/Soundwave_13 - 1 month
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|Bold Strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.
|u/ernieishereagain - 1 month
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|A ruse perhaps?
|u/MisterTwister22 - 1 month
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|Lawmaker about to make some fertilizer instead
|u/Junky_Oma2680 - 1 month
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|Another psychological example of group think.
|u/Peac3fulWorld - 1 month
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|Sounds like a Selena meyers kind of administration
|u/MrOnCore - 1 month
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|If “those above” actually knew better, this “special operation” wouldn’t
|still be going on.
|u/Earlier-Today - 1 month
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|Man, if that's true, sure sounds like those at the top thought Ukraine's
|allies wouldn't allow it. Which is hilariously stupid of them - so,
|business as usual.
|u/Routine-Chance-6735 - 1 month
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|For a successful military operation, you need either the element of
|surprise, or Russian incompetence.
|u/Phoenix_Maximus_13 - 1 month
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|Is it me or is everyone starting to throw Putin and the kremlin under
|the bus the more stuff that happens?
|u/Doppelkammertoaster - 1 month
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|*insert Robin's (?) ,these morons' from Stranger Things.
|u/abraxasnl - 1 month
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|That’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it works out for them.
|u/Agent4777 - 1 month
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|Classic Russia
|u/rnewscates73 - 1 month
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|They should know by now - they are incompetent and Do Not Know Better,
|and also Putin has “Old Dictator Syndrome”- everyone is too afraid to
|tell him the truth, and also he trusts nobody in the FSB for fear of CIA
|moles, so there is poor communication. Couple that with the endemic
|corruption that has hollowed out equipment readiness, and the fact that
|Shoigu and Gerasimov and Kadyrov hate each other : a perfect storm of
|incompetence and self interest.
|u/MikePGS - 1 month
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|They should stay on ground floors for a while ...
|u/G-Fox1990 - 1 month
|
|"When people ask questions...they should be told to keep their minds on
|their labor, and leave matters of the State, to the State." -Chernobyl
|These motherfuckers have learned absolutely *nothing* from why their
|beloved USSR crumpled and crashed in the first place.
|u/Waste-Length8482 - 1 month
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|I believe it. 
|u/USeaMoose - 1 month
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|It's kind of wild to think that this is the result of Russia knowing
|about the counter-invasion a month in advance. And there is no way, if
|they knew, they just made the decision to let it happen so troops could
|stay focused in Ukraine. Because it has been extremely embarrassing for
|Russia/Putin, and now they are pulling troops out of Ukraine. They must
|have either not believed that the attack would actually happen, or they
|once again greatly overestimated their armed forces. Maybe assumed that
|the troops stationed at the border would have been enough. So, either
|they are not trusting their own intelligence sources, or just pure
|incompetence. In the course of one year, Russia has had two different
|heavily armed incursions into their territory.
|u/TyhmensAndSaperstein - 1 month
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|"Those above you - thousands of miles away - know better!"
|u/WangMangDonkeyChain - 1 month
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|“all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others” 
|u/luffy_mib - 1 month
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|Can't wait for Ukraine to storm Moscow and these propagandists will spin
|it to say that it's all expected and nothing to panic. XD
|u/Budderlips-revival23 - 1 month
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|My advice to Andrey Gurulyov is to stay away from upper story windows
|and avoid rooftops. Also get a drink taster to sample all beverages. 
|u/umewho - 1 month
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|Authoritarianism only works up until the point your bluff is called and
|you need to do all the things you said you would/could. The emperor has
|no clothes.
|u/gamedreamer21 - 1 month
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|You deluded fool.
|u/Fuzzy_Chapter9101 - 1 month
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|More we need more and hope this guys stays away from all the windows.
|u/Boburism - 1 month
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|LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIEEEEEEES
|u/PoutPill69 - 1 month
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|Sounds like 'those above' will be very busy for the next little while
|falling out of 10th floor windows and such. Russian high ranking
|officials are a clumsy lot.
|u/MelonElbows - 1 month
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|Somebody's falling out a window soon
|u/msa69zoo - 1 month
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|Yeah that sounds about how the Chernobyl nuclear accident happened also.
|Good luck with all that.
|u/Suspicious_Bicycle - 1 month
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|Have the Russian generals started falling out of windows?
|u/evilpercy - 1 month
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|A culture of blindly following the top thug and telling the thug what he
|wants to hear in order to survive. Is no bases for a government.
|u/bigb-2702 - 1 month
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|Oh they knew better alright. Or thought they did anyway.
|u/zippy_the_cat - 1 month
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|The ghost of Stalin: “First time?”
|u/Mammoth-Passage-5051 - 1 month
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|This actually makes some sense.... Russia has a massive amount of
|territory. Ukraine not so much... While in the initial thought, it seems
|like Ukraine is finally gaining edge, they're also leaving the homeland
|with less defenses. Time will tell how it all plays out. It's not how
|you start, it's how you finish. -Also, I would be super interested to
|see analysis on what infrastructure within the Kursk region is even
|vital toward the economy of Russia or how vital the region is to the war
|in it's entirety. -But I also do think revealing they were aware of
|the attack is an ego-centric publicity stunt. Sort of like saying "yOu
|DoN't ReALiZe HoW mUcH sMaRteR wE aRe tHaN yOu." Seems kind of vain and
|arrogant.
|u/defensible81 - 1 month
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|Ah yes, it's the, "we're not dumb, just incompetent" defense.
|u/AlienHere - 1 month
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|A private military just drove up to Moscow without incident. Another
|military doing the same thing doesn't seem out of this world at this
|point.
|u/Totobanzai - 1 month
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|Sounds just like the old Soviet Union.
|u/manamara1 - 1 month
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|Is Garasimov angling for Putin to be toppled? Sure seems like it.
|u/burnercaus - 1 month
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|Those above? The clouds?
|u/Extension-Record4931 - 1 month
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|Lawmaker should avoid high rise windows..
|u/russian_child - 1 month
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|Now we cant destroy Ukraine. They not defending they lands their attack
|our. Ukrainian regime are Russia enemy.
|u/TheyAreOnlyGods - 1 month
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|Why is Kursk so important and talked about? It looks very minuscule on
|the map, and Ukraine’s chances for the war still look pretty grim
|compared in terms of comparative manpower and industrial capacity.
|u/Sleepy_Emet6164 - 1 month
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|There are rumours Russia demined the border in preparation for their own
|offensive. If so they must have thought the troops were there to defend
|not preemptively attack.
|u/Coast_watcher - 1 month
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|(X) Doubt If Ukraine allies weren’t told till just before, how could
|Russia know ? This seems like cya.
|u/PupScent - 1 month
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|Windows.
|u/riskybusiness405 - 1 month
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|He’s going to mysteriously fall out of a 9th story window now.
|u/Comed1an - 1 month
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|Did the lawmaker fall out of window yet?
|u/Toovic96 - 1 month
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|That lawmaker better stay away from windows.
|u/Infamous1527 - 1 month
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|And in a couple weeks we’ll hear that this guy tripped over his own feet
|out the 11th story window.
|u/pinheadmaximus - 1 month
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|Sounds like someone is about to fall out of a window...
|u/New_Scientist_8622 - 1 month
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|I've heard that excuse one other time in the last hundred years. It
|didn't go well for the people saying it.
|u/ThirdSunRising - 1 month
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|That’s cute but how did they know
|u/AllUrUpsAreBelong2Us - 1 month
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|Yeah, no one wanted to fall out of a window. What a sad world it is
|that the people up top are so damn clueless and yet cause so much
|suffering by manipulating those below them.
|u/blackcain - 1 month
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|I hope this lawmaker enjoys sailing through a window.
|u/RubenLWD - 1 month
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|Russian lawmaker dies after falling out of a window
|u/EmEmAndEye - 1 month
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|It'd be a game changer if Russia nuked the Ukrainians in Kursk. I mean,
|it's one thing to nuke another country, but a whole different thing to
|nuke a piece of your own.
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