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TIL Adolf Hitler was sent by the German armed forces to infiltrate the
German Worker's Party led by Anton Drexler. The party was the precursor
to the Nazi party that would be led by Hitler.
(URL) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Drexler (https://en.wikipedia.org)
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|u/anonanon5320 - 1 month
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|It worked. He infiltrated it.
|u/Lukthar123 - 1 month
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|*Assuming direct control*
|u/Farts_in_jar - 1 month
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|*This hurts you*
|u/Raekwaanza - 1 month
|
|r/sudddenlymasseffect
|u/PopeGeraldVII - 1 month
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|Damn. I looked and everything. 😔
|u/Farts_in_jar - 1 month
|
|r/subsyoufellfor
|u/TheRiteGuy - 1 month
|
|Man, he ended that party. Talk about effective espionage.
|u/MisterCortez - 1 month
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|I hear he killed their leader
|u/TopDesert_ace - 1 month
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|It was certainly mind-blowing.
|u/Inconvenient_Boners - 1 month
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|Yeah, but he also killed the guy that killed their leader as well
|u/Thrownawayagainagain - 1 month
|
|True, but he killed the guy who killed that guy as well, so it
|evens out.
|u/ericporing - 1 month
|
|*penetrated it*
|u/DrunkRobot97 - 1 month
|
|Intelligence officer interviewing Hitler for the job: Would you describe
|yourself as having an interest in politics? Hitler: Yes, in my years
|in Vienna I detested the daily sight of that city's Jew-controlled
|multiculturalism, and when news of the surrender at the end of the war
|arrived I went blind with rage at the betrayal of our country by the
|international socialist jew cab-- Officer: Yeah, yeah, I get it, I get
|it, you are totally solid and reliable for making objective assessments
|of far-right political groups.
|u/44moon - 1 month
|
|you joke, but honestly yeah in the historical context that was not a
|very fringe perspective for a returning german soldier to have. the
|baseline antisemitism in germany plus the german army high command's
|deliberate framing of the war as being won on the battlefield but lost
|on the homefront by the pussy-ass (jewish) social democrats and
|mutineering sailors of the german revolution. plus most of the civil
|servants in germany (the guys who would be infiltrating these groups)
|were very sympathetic to the far-right. they thought the freikorps was
|a little overenthusiastic but generally had the right idea about
|germany.
|u/The_Eternal_Valley - 1 month
|
|Apparently in Vienna Hitler also spent a lot of time at the red light
|district preaching (yelling) at prostitutes about their morality.
|Giving incel vibes Source: Thunder at Twilight by Frederic Morton
|Take that with a grain of salt, can't corroborate that source anywhere
|else right now
|u/dmtdmtlsddodmt - 1 month
|
|He also fucked his niece. Something just not right about this Hitler
|fellow.
|u/qk1sind - 1 month
|
|Dont elect incels. Got it. And to you women out there, if you
|believe a guy has a chance to change the political landscape, fuck
|him!
|u/ExoticWeapon - 1 month
|
|🤣
|u/reddit_beats_college - 1 month
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|BUT, he did kill Hitler, so…
|u/VagrantShadow - 1 month
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|With a head shot to boot.
|u/Xenon009 - 1 month
|
|We should build statues of that guy!
|u/Inconvenient_Boners - 1 month
|
|Normally this would be one of the most disgusting things a person
|could do. With Hitler? This would be the equivalent of merging
|without using a turn signal for him
|u/FunBuilding2707 - 1 month
|
|You can even say he's weird.
|u/Eomb - 1 month
|
|Really? The more I learn about this guy, the less I like him
|u/majorjoe23 - 1 month
|
|The more I hear about this Hitler fellow, the less I like him.
|u/Johannes_P - 1 month
|
|And the SA member who watched over Geli Raubal died during the
|Night of the Long Knives.
|u/No-Wind6836 - 1 month
|
|Remember he called Vienna ‘Babylon of races’ XD this guy……..
|u/Terrariola - 1 month
|
|Hitler was apparently actually rather liberal before talking to a
|particularly antisemitic Russian white emigré after World War I.
|u/markzuckerberg1234 - 1 month
|
|So this one guy turned hitler into what he became? Whos this one
|fuckin guy?
|u/NoTePierdas - 1 month
|
|What the other guy said. But also they were inspecting far-LEFT groups
|at the time. "German Workers' Party" sounds like a Leftist group.
|They were perfectly fine with far right and monarchist organizations.
|u/Square-Singer - 1 month
|
|Left and right weren't exactly set-in-stone terms back then. And if
|you aren't in a two-party-system where left and right are just the
|labels for "my team" and "your team", they still aren't exactly set
|in stone still. For example, the former leader of Germany's far-
|left party "Die Linke", Sahra (sic) Wagenknecht created a new,
|pretty right-wing party called BSW, which will fish in the waters of
|the far-right AFD and will probably work together with them. Also,
|it's a frequent thing for extremists to swap their left/right
|alignment, sometimes even repeatedly. Radicals are primarily
|radical. What they are radical about is a secondary topic.
|u/Xxxxx33 - 1 month
|
|The DAP was a far right party. Even before Hitler their two main
|subject of predilection were antisemetism and being nationalist. At
|the time Germany had a big communist party, it was common to name
|your party with like Worker and Socialist (like National Socialist
|for exemple) to appeal to people
|u/BaconNamedKevin - 1 month
|
|TIL Hitler stole the center of this guy moustache for his own personal
|use. 
|u/LustLochLeo - 1 month
|
|That style of moustache was very common among WW1 veterans. In the war
|they had to trim their moustaches to the "Hitler" style, because
|otherwise gas masks wouldn't have been air tight. It's probably also
|the reason why Hitler kept it, as it showed that he had fought in the
|war and was "on the side of the veterans". Well, not the Jewish
|veterans, of course.
|u/WHITE_DOG_ASTER - 1 month
|
|Moral of tw story: Don't union bust
|u/Holgrin - 1 month
|
|The German Workers' Party was more of a social or debate club at the
|time with only a few dozen members and no real political activity or
|aspirations. When Hitler joined, he really changed the tone of the
|whole group. One of the original leaders quit after Hitler's huge
|speech with the 25 point plan because he pretty much just wanted it to
|be the elitist debate club. But don't be mistaken: these guys
|weren't a union or labor party either. They were shitty, virulent
|racists with fascistic tendencies already. Hitler did not change a
|union or labor group into the Nazi Party.
|u/DrunkRobot97 - 1 month
|
|Even the name of it, "German Worker's Party", betrayed in the
|context of 1920s German politics its "Third-Way" self-image. "We're
|not monarchist conservatives or bolshevik reds, we're more
|interested in what that Mussolini is doing down in Italy" kind of
|thing. But yeah, they were basically just a bunch of bigoted sad
|sacks venting to each other in the evenings at their beer hall, all
|bummed out that Germany had lost the war and was now arguably the
|most progressive state in Europe.
|u/Holgrin - 1 month
|
|>we're more interested in what that Mussolini is doing down in
|Italy" kind of thing. Right, which was also just spreading around
|a "third-way" ideology, frequently contradicting himself in his
|newspaper just trying to drum up an audience so he could gain
|influence and power.
|u/lardgsus - 1 month
|
|"They were shitty, virulent racists with fascistic tendencies
|already." ...and the people loved them, and helped push them into
|power.
|u/uflju_luber - 1 month
|
|As the other guy said they never won the majority of votes, the
|president wasn’t a member either, however he thought to use the
|popularity of the nazi party within that minority for his own gain
|and appointed Hitler Chancellor (that’s right, the Germans didn’t
|vote him in that position). As the Chancellor the German
|parliament building was burned to the ground (likely by the nazis
|themselves but we don’t definitely know) and Hitler gave himself
|emergency powers basically becoming a dictator over night without
|the majority of the Germans of the time even wanting him to be, he
|used it to crack down on all opposition politicians that would’ve
|been a danger to him by claiming it was them that burned the
|building and stood then unapposed the rest is history now
|u/lardgsus - 1 month
|
|Hitler: "Hey guys, I'm charge now." Enough civilian people:
|"Yeah this sounds good, we've heard you speak, carry on."
|Hitler: "And we're going to war!" Basically the entire
|military: "Yup, good, good." Hitler: "Go after the Jews and
|Gypsies!" Military: "You got it boss. You've convinced us."
|I'm not saying you are lying, or even wrong, but there is some
|weird/missing info in the whole story. Even beyond this
|conversation, the stuff I've watched online, and even old 1980's
|and 1990's documentaries, the whole story seems like it's just
|"off".
|u/uflju_luber - 1 month
|
|Kinda missing a lot of intimidation, executions, exiles,
|taking over any civilian construction and heavy propaganda in
|the middle there. Like…what are you even trying to argue?
|u/lardgsus - 1 month
|
|Well you can't do any of that stuff you've mentioned without
|power. Power is determined by how other people respect you,
|not how you see yourself. My point is that the people are
|what allowed Hitler to do the things he did. A lot of people
|wag their finger at Hitler and Hitler alone, but -he- didn't
|to war, he told 100's of thousands of other people to do it,
|and then they mostly all did. I'm not arguing with you or
|anyone, if you can even believe that. It's just some really
|weird things with how history has recorded the events, or
|specifically, how we (the victors) decided to record
|history.
|u/uflju_luber - 1 month
|
|Bro…do you even know how a dictatorship works. The entire
|point of my first message was to explain HOW he got power,
|he wasn’t given it. Again, there were a lot of people that
|opposed him, but like dictatorships usually are they were
|„taken care of“ by the regime. My great grandfather for
|example had to flee into exile for being a free mason. You
|think some random street protests would’ve stopped hitler
|and his secret police state and propaganda machine? It
|feels like you’re making the situation a lot simpler and
|easier than it was, if I’m interpreting it wrongly I’m
|sorry, but that’s how I understand it right now.
|u/lardgsus - 1 month
|
|I 100% understand what you are saying, and I agree with
|the idea that no small movement (even thousands of
|people) would be able to stop Hitler after he got into
|power. We are on the same page there. The part I don't
|understand is the really early days of Hitler starting
|his movement into politics as a whole and then becoming
|the dictator that we all know about. Like your example
|about how people were "taken care of" by the regime, I
|agree, he did that, and it happened, but the steps
|between "just some guy out of art school" and then "guy
|who can order a regime around" is what I don't know
|about. Not trying to argue with you, or say it didn't
|happen or anything like that, I'm just saying it's a
|wild and massive transition that had to be supported by
|a bunch of angry post WW1 Germans, or else it would not
|have happened. I know this is reddit and all, but I'm
|not trying to win a karma war here or have a "gotcha"
|moment.
|u/uflju_luber - 1 month
|
|No worries mate, maybe it sounded harsher than
|intended. And you’re right, the nazi party was
|certainly big and popular however it was still a big
|minority just like the communist or social democrats
|for example. The thing is there was no Nazi faction
|and then the rest, there were many different factions
|one of them being the Nazis so it wasn’t nazis vs. the
|united rest so to speak, wich helped the Nazis as a
|big minority in their rise to power. You should look
|up the Weimar Republic if you want to know more about
|how they got so big, it’s a very interesting and
|tumultuous time period in German history. There was a
|lot of anarchy and open street battles between Nazis
|and communists for example also failed coup d‘etat are
|part of it’s history, it’s obviously way bigger and
|more complex than I could put in a single comment here
|and German history classes spend literal years on it,
|but that’s the period you should look up if you’re
|interested in the topic somewhat
|u/Holgrin - 1 month
|
|About 33% voted Nazi. Fascism only takes hold when the status quo
|has failed people, allowing pernicious lies and half-truths to
|entice frustrated and angry and desperate populations
|u/TylerInHiFi - 1 month
|
|Hi, it’s me, a Canadian watching this happen here first hand.
|u/Holgrin - 1 month
|
|Maybe y'all will stop copying our orange fascist if we manage
|to put an inspiring new progressive generation in the White
|House?
|u/mrwillbobs - 1 month
|
|It was never actually a left wing/union based party. They just took
|some words that were popular at the time and used them
|u/AzertyKeys - 1 month
|
|Completely wrong and pop-history common on Reddit. The Nazi party
|WAS a worker's party but racism was absolutely central to its
|ideology. By denying them ever being for the workers you're just
|opening yourself to be manipulated by the same technique. I
|recommend reading "Hitler's beneficiaries" Götz Aly to really
|understand the ideological standpoint of the Nazis on the workers.
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|Hitler was never left wing or pro-labour hence the purge of the
|left of the party and the total antithesis of any kind of pro-
|labour Nazis policies once actually in power. The Nazis banned
|unions, annihilated workers rights and put huge industry power in
|the hands of pro-Nazis business men. I think its entirely fair
|to mainly catagorise the Nazis as economically right or far right.
|u/brendonmilligan - 1 month
|
|You’re right but also wrong. They did ban unions and instead
|created their own Nazi party union so they had control of the
|workers as well as allowing Nazis and pro Nazi party people to
|lead said organisations. I wouldn’t necessarily describe them as
|exactly economically right though. Believing that the state
|should be in control of the unions and business owners should
|swear allegiance to your political party and that all businesses
|should above all be beneficial to the Nazi party isn’t exactly
|right wing. It’s a collection of both left and right policies
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|The case for catagorising Nazis economic policy as mostly or
|entirely right wing is pretty strong and a part of academic
|discourse. These answers argue it better than I could and
|provide some interesting context for why the issue has gotten
|quite muddy: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments
|/p8svqr/comment/h9t9x95/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&con
|text=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/uusvx
|p/comment/i9nhlzf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name
|=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.r
|eddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/cwh8pi/comment/eyblwvo/
|u/brendonmilligan - 1 month
|
|Neither of the comments you linked talk about whether their
|economic policies were right wing. They talk about the
|overall parties position on the right and left spectrum. I
|don’t think anyone would say they weren’t right wing, but I
|think most people can see that they took a lot of
|inspiration from socialists on how to structure their
|economies. A lot of fascists were former leftists such as
|benito Mussolini himself, members of the suffragettes and to
|a degree, Oswald Mosley
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|What inspiration did they take from socialists and put
|into action? Edit: I think they did institute work
|creation policies in the 30s maybe? Would have to check.
|Centralised control of the economy predates the concept of
|socialism and isnt inherently left wing unless its done to
|with the aim of shifting economic towards the people (even
|if its peverted ala Stalinist Russia) the Nazis rebalanced
|power in the economy away from workers deliberately. I did
|some study of English economics in the early modern
|period; state controlled industries, price setting and
|monopolies and licensing are all features but you would
|hardly argue these top down economic policies of the crown
|were proto-socialist. The posts I linked show that think
|contemporary tanks, observers and the Italian Facist and
|Nazis leadership themselves all considered their position
|to be right to far-right. Because such a large degree of
|left and right is definied by economic policy (what else
|is left if you remove it? Ideas of nationalism and
|citizenship?) Social policy traditionally doesnt fit
|within left and right. You can be a socially conservative
|communist or but you cant be a right wing communist.
|There are some answers here that delve into the specific
|policies that mean they are characterised as right wing
|but also the difficulty in catagorising what sort of right
|wing as they pursued such a chaotic mix of previously seen
|approaches. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/commen
|ts/1c4nuu0/why_were_the_nazis_so_fond_of_private_property/
|https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/sm4758/i_s
|ee_a_lot_of_altright_folks_trying_to_say_that/ Also this
|answer which I knew I had bookmarked very dense but
|interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/commen
|ts/v0yxcq/what_can_the_nazis_economic_policies_be/
|u/AzertyKeys - 1 month
|
|again, that is pop-history and a complete misunderstanding of
|what actually happened. allow me to answer you point by point :
|>the purge of the left of the party 1)a)The purge of Rhöm
|and the rest of the left wing side of the NSDAP was performed at
|gunpoint : Hindenburg ordered Hitler to purge the SA or he would
|approve of a Coup d'état by the Army. b) The purge of Drexler
|was internal party politics as he tried to take power away from
|Hitler, anyone would have been removed for that due to violating
|the Führerprinzip which was core to the Nazi ideology on
|leadership. >The Nazis banned unions. False, the Nazis
|created one central union as part of the Gleichschaltung to put
|the NSDAP at the centre of ALL aspects of life. It wasn't just
|the Unions that were centralised, from hunter's clubs to
|businesses, EVERYTHING had to be controlled by the party. And
|it's not like it was a secret plan or whatever, the NSDAP had
|this centralisation as part of their program from the onset and
|everyone was aware of it. To go back to your point on
|Unions, the centralised union (The German Labour Front) had
|enormous powers in companies with its members dictating to
|business owners everything related to their labourers. From
|hiring Quotas to maximum and minimum hours, forbidding Jews to
|be hired, etc... everything was dictated to the business by the
|DAF. >annihilated workers rights Yes and no, workers
|rights were actually improved in the very beginning with easy
|access to funds for worker's vacations, children activities,
|maternity leaves, etc. I 100% agree with you though that it was
|quickly reverted once the Four Year Plan truly started. >and
|put huge industry power in the hands of pro-Nazis business men.
|Way WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more complicated than that : After
|the Reichstag Fire Decree private property rights were abolished
|and as I stated earlier the process of centralisation of all
|aspects of life truly began. This included businesses but what
|you have to realise is that business owners were not asked for
|their opinion. With the implementation of the Four Year Plan
|quotas were set for every industries, price commissars dictated
|prices (duh), the government severely limited foreign trade due
|to its policy of Autarky. And it's not like business men
|could refuse the Nazi's orders. You know the Junker dive bombers
|? They were made by the company of the same name. When its owner
|(also same name) refused to obey to the production orders he was
|expropriated. >I think its entirely fair to mainly catagorise
|the Nazis as economically right or far right. Now a country
|with a four year plan, with price commissars, production quotas,
|regulated labour (both in hiring and working hours), near zero
|foreign trade, no private property rights, sounds to me more
|like the USSR than an Ultra capitalist country. So you can only
|categorise Nazi Germany as Far right/right economically IF you
|also do the same for the USSR which to be fair if you do more
|power to you but then you'd have to explain what is a
|center/left/far left economy in your viewpoint so we know what
|we are talking about. again I'm so sorry for the rambling, hope
|you don't mind ! >.< edit : you could argue that the main
|dividing point between far left and right is the racism ? which
|was also present in the economy (being the root cause of
|Autarky) if so let me know cause that would be interesting !
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|Do you genuinely think its a pop-history argument? Because you
|are entirely wrong there or are trying to push some sort of
|agenda? Even if you dont agree with the argument made by
|academics that the Nazis can be confidently characterised as
|being right wing and not socialist its weird to claim its pop-
|history.
|u/AzertyKeys - 1 month
|
|So you might not be aware of this but a ton of recent
|research has been published on the Nazi economic policies in
|the past decade that has really changed our views on the
|regime. You're right though, "pop history" was abrasive of
|me. A better term might be "outdated" history ? To give a
|comparison it's like how it took decades for historians to
|demolish the clean werhmacht myth that sprung up in the 50s
|and 60s. We're observing something similar with the
|reassessment of the German economy under the NSDAP which is
|clearly understood now as a command economy. The debate now
|lies in what type of command economy it was : was it
|corporatist like Italy ? Centrally planned like the USSR ?
|Or a thing of its own ? And no I don't have an agenda mate
|lmao. I'm just a nerd who loves this period of history due
|to the diversity of movements and political thoughts that
|spring up ! You should see me talk about the different
|monarchist movements in France in the 20s-30s ! It's even
|more fascinating !
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|Ive read Adam Tooves (Toovs?) which is pretty modern and
|his assessment was pretty much that the Nazis had no
|collective economic ideology or at least not one that
|plays well with traditional frameworks of economic
|ideologies. He does however seem to consider the Nazis
|economic policy almost entirely lacking in socialist or
|left wing policies beyond some pre-war job creation and if
|I remember right generally takes the approach that the few
|left wing ideas that came through were mostly to placate
|people who were suffering under policies like the erosion
|of working conditions, hourly pay and functional union
|representation/power. I don't think the centralised power
|the Nazis held over the economy could be described as left
|or right wing though conceptually people often think of it
|as left wing, which would probably surprise most pre-
|modern monarchs (Diocletian the secret Marxist?). And
|fair play I ask about agenda because this area of history
|on reddit is overly full of people with concerning ideas,
|but tbf I was a Roman archaeologist and even at an
|academic level its full of a variety of closet fascists
|simping for empire. What would you recommend for an
|alternative view?
|u/AzertyKeys - 1 month
|
|Omg I wrote a huge answer and then switched app for a
|sec to check a source and I came back the page reloaded.
|Fuck the Reddit app. Tldr : I fully agree with a lot
|of your points especially the anachronistic depictions
|of centrally planned economies as purely the realm of
|"leftism". I recommend "Hitler's beneficiaries" by
|Götz Aly as well as "Les Fascismes" by Pierre Milza
|although I do not know if it's available in English.
|Finally I actually recommend people to read Mein Kampf
|to dispel the myth that the Nazis hid their agenda. Not
|once did Hitler and his goons hide their plans, from the
|get go they were set on establishing a racial, centrally
|planned and controlled state that would invade its
|neighbours for ressources. Maybe if more people read
|it less people would be fooled by holocaust denialists
|like David Irving (god that man has done so much damage
|in the english speaking world almost as much as Franz
|Halder and his push for the clean werhmacht myth)
|u/xGodlyUnicornx - 1 month
|
|They were pro German worker. They wanted to do socialism
|without Marxism. They didn’t support international
|solidarity among the working class. They were national
|socialist. Wouldn’t surprise me at all for the next
|“hitler” to come out of a working class movement. Hell, most
|labor movements still emphasize the concept of national
|labor being more important than international labor.
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|Where they pro German worker? beyond a couple of social
|programs they were incredibly damaging for worker rights,
|representation and pay. Pre-war German businesses under
|the Nazis experienced record profits while the hourly
|wages for workers declined considerably from the republic.
|Unions were of course banned then revived as state
|entities that were not controlled or arguing in favor of
|workers rights the unions were in some cases led by Nazis
|friendly business men any attempt to apply pressure by
|striking or work stoppage was punished brutally.
|u/xGodlyUnicornx - 1 month
|
|Interesting, it sounds similar to the new deal going on
|in the US at the time. Obviously with anti-semitism
|being the core of their mythos. But it sounds like two
|similar reactions to capital during the crisis of the
|30’s and 40’s.
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|Yeah Nazis economics are from what I've read
|inconsistent, there doesn't seem to be a cohesive long
|term ideal that matches up nicely with theoretically
|positions but thats true of their politics too, part
|revolutionary and part reactionary. I think there are
|elements of the new deal but from the authors I have
|read they were more cynical attempts to assuage anger
|at policies that hit German workers. I think you
|could generalise as authoritarian corporatism rife
|with cronyism but I am by no means an expert on this
|era of history (or any at this stage tbh).
|u/emailforgot - 1 month
|
|> Hitler was never left wing or pro-labour hence the purge of
|the left of the party and the total antithesis of any kind of
|pro-labour Nazis policies once actually in power. The party
|also existed before Hitler, hence the above comment being
|correct. The Nazis of the start of their rise were quite a bit
|different from the Nazis in 1941.
|u/mrwillbobs - 1 month
|
|I’d say it’s comparable to UKIP/Reform in the UK. Framed as a
|party “for the benefit of the people” but actually just concerned
|about racism
|u/AzertyKeys - 1 month
|
|I kind of agree but also disagree with you. The thing with the
|NSDAP is, unlike UKIP/Reform/AFD/etc that ALL of its ideology
|revolved around the race, the Volk, and they NEVER hid it since
|they presented it as a way to solve class conflict by building a
|"People's Community" (Volksgemeinschaft). it's not like the
|Nazis hid their agenda or views : to them everything was about
|the race, you couldn't understand their World View
|(weltanschauung) unless you understood that they saw everything
|through the prism of race : economics, demographics, history,
|science, warfare, etc... EVERYTHING was about the Race. This is
|the fundamental difference between actual Nazism and Fascism, on
|one side, and the new populist movements that we are seeing
|nowadays : the extremes of old had 1)an actual ideological
|core that they based an actual philosophy on and developed a
|World View through. 2)Never hid said ideology. Compare
|and contrast to the populists movements of nowadays and I'd
|rather classify them as reactionaries than fascists. There is no
|political ideology, no goal to end class conflict through the
|creation of a one party state that is omnipresent in all aspects
|of life, no corporatism (in the Fascist sense of the word).
|I'd say it's crony capitalism tuned to the extreme. Sorry for
|the ramblings I am fascinated by European political history of
|the 10s-20s-30s
|u/xGodlyUnicornx - 1 month
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|I like most of your comment but am put off by the insertion of
|crony capitalism. I’d say that the ruling class, the
|capitalist class, seem to have grown nihilistic and, like you
|said, have no plans for the future. I don’t even think they
|believe in their own ideology anymore. Just riding the waves
|started centuries ago.
|u/euphoricme2 - 1 month
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|Lessons learned, right?
|u/Rugfiend - 1 month
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|We'll find out on Nov 5th
|u/ash_274 - 1 month
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|(Anguished Obi-Wan) You were supposed to destroy the Nazis, not join
|them!
|u/secretAZNman15 - 1 month
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|TIL the German Worker's Party was the precursor to the Nazi party
|u/yIdontunderstand - 1 month
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|So crédit where crédit is due.. Great job Hitler! /s
|u/Modred_the_Mystic - 1 month
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|Well, Hitler convinced them to let him infiltrate them. It wasn’t their
|idea, it was his. Dude passed the speech check so he could do politics
|and get paid by the army to do it
|u/Xabikur - 1 month
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|"I'm going to make them unelectable forever. Possibly also kill their
|leader."
|u/Mr_Lapis - 1 month
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|It'd amazing how many times others tried to use hitler to win over their
|rivals not realizing just how dangerous he was as a political force
|u/mudball12 - 1 month
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|His first attempt was to run for office with he and his friends. It
|didn’t work. It turns out that in order to create a group as evil as
|the Nazis, you need to steal the following of, and some of the ideas of,
|of an existing group. Otherwise people will see you as ineffective and
|extreme, which you are.
|u/Johannes_P - 1 month
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|And the officer who directed him in this missions briefly joined the DAP
|before switching to the SPD and dying in a KZ.
|u/Stachdragon - 1 month
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|They got him hooked on meth and the rest is atrocities.
|u/Th3Seconds1st - 1 month
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|F to pay respect
|u/InfiniteBeak - 1 month
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|And thanks to the "workers" part, clueless rightoids continue to insist
|Hitler was a leftist 😮‍💨
|u/theologous - 1 month
|
|Hitler: combines communism, fascism and socialism to make the most
|horrific system of government imaginable. Republicans: Hitler was a
|leftist Reddit: Hitler was fascist. A normal person: Hitler is
|fucking terrible.
|u/Funtycuck - 1 month
|
|Which parts of socialism did he adopt? The party exercised state
|control of industries but for the benefit of the capital owners and
|distributed quite a lot of power among Nazis supporting business
|men. The Nazis mostly fit well into the definition of facism but
|utilised alot of left wing language and talking points but through a
|racist nationalist lense not a class one but mainly to exploit the
|rising popularity of left wing movements post war.
|u/theologous - 1 month
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|They blended the workers rights into their nationalism. Part of
|their racism was an inherent belief that "Aryans" are hard working
|and honest people by nature. They claimed that the capitalist
|interests were the same interests as the workers and that it was
|the Jewish people's manipulation of society that caused "Aryans"
|to behave in immoral ways. This also included a defining class
|structure that was made in the mockery of communist ideology. It
|said that all "Aryans" were equal but every individual had their
|own unique strengths, and the standards of each individual's
|living were in fact part of their role. Therefore a factory owner
|and a coal miner were equal, and differences in housing, clothing,
|etc were simply fulfilling their roles to society. Sort of
|applying the "divine right" concept from monarchy to the communist
|beliefs in communal duty. This is very similar to India's class
|structure beliefs, though not quite so rigid. Don't forget, the
|backbone of the Nazi party's rise was workers. Nowadays, "worker's
|party" is used as a pseudonym for "communist party" but it
|originated in the fact that it was a party made by laborers for
|laborers. The Nazis implemented many socialist programs and
|policies such as land reforms, introductions of workers rights,
|jobs programs and the creation of a national highway system now
|known as the auto-bon. They inter-wove nationalism into these
|socialist programs. The formerly unemployed and homeless were
|given jobs building infrastructure. The programs introduced strict
|discipline for the employees. They provided housing (via onsite
|tents) and required tidy living spaces such as organizing personal
|items and a high standard of folding the sheets. The workers were
|given shovels and other tools and were required to clean, sharpen
|and polish these tools everyday after work. This worked perfectly
|for transitioning large numbers of workers into the military when
|the draft was introduced since they had been made to follow a
|disciplined life style modeled after the military. Modern people
|tend to group Nazism into Fascism since Fascism is what Nazisim is
|most similar to but they truly are different. In reality, Nazism
|is a hybrid of many ideologies but it began as a divergent form of
|Fascism. You can compare this to different schools of communism
|such as Stalinism vs Maoism, though those aren't quite as big as a
|divergence from the original Marxism. When Italy's campaigns in
|Greece and Africa failed, Mussolini was forced to become a puppet
|dictator in charge of a vassal state to the Third Reich. Hitler
|demanded that Mussolini speak to the Italian people and
|essentially say that fascism was a good first attempt of what he
|had wanted to achieve but that Nazism was really more of what he
|had in mind. But really, if you look at Mussolini, and other
|fascist dictators policies, racial supremacy and genocide are not
|inherit tenants. Misogyny, homophobia, nationalism, and
|culturalism all are but not an inherent belief in superior
|genetics and a need to purge people who do not fit those traits.
|It's actually very interesting to read about. I found it very
|helpful in understanding the mindsets of people living in those
|times.
|u/Salzberger - 1 month
|
|You know with Hitler, the more I learn about this guy the more I
|don't care for him.
|u/theologous - 1 month
|
|Hitler's good qualities: Animal rights activists. Fixed the
|economy. War hero. Talented artist. Hitler's bad qualities:
|Pretty much everything else; racist, dictator, genocide, drug
|addict, suspected desire for incest, paranoid, oppressive, almost
|certainly insane, a Martyr for white supremacy, etc, etc
|u/Johannes_P - 1 month
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|> Fixed the economy. He turned the German economy into a Ponzi
|scheme whose only exit door was hyperinflation or war.
|u/InfiniteBeak - 1 month
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|I figured the last part was a given
|u/theologous - 1 month
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|You're right, I only really see literal Nazis and morons
|disagreeing with that.
|u/Professional_smell1 - 1 month
|
|Isn’t Drexler one of Archer’s dads?
|u/autotoad - 1 month
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|Don’t take this the wrong way but AH, even before he became chancellor,
|had an extremely interesting life.
|u/Hanuman_Jr - 1 month
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|This I didn't know. That really adds to the origin story.
|u/mamlex992 - 1 month
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|They sent him to a free training on how to become the nazi leader.
|u/Theseabeckons - 1 month
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|Mission accomplished?
|u/KrackerJoe - 1 month
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|And then he killed their leader and ended ww2.
|u/lardgsus - 1 month
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|Poor Hitler was only a puppet of Anton's. Anton is the actual bad guy.
|u/noticablyineptkoala - 1 month
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|Yea you watched the doc too that everyone has seen huh?
|u/benadreti_ - 1 month
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|it seems Hitler not only stole his party, but his look too
|u/MoneyMonkee69 - 1 month
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|Am I to believe this isn’t Hitler’s father in his Wiki page??!?
|u/malektewaus - 1 month
|
|Hitler was able to take it over in part because he kept drawing his
|military pay for quite a while, while all the other members had real
|jobs. Drexler himself was a locksmith as I recall. So Hitler could
|dedicate himself to politics full time, instead of, at best, a couple
|hours a day. Hitler's Army commander, the guy who sent him to spy on
|the party and probably ordered him to take it over, eventually became a
|Social Democrat and died in a concentration camp.
|u/fatmailman - 1 month
|
|Wow, that’s a real case of being your own worst enemy.
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