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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/08/14/7470410/ (https://www.pravda.com.ua) |
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|u/P01135809-Trump - 1 month |
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|This also tells us that Ukrainian supply operations are healthy. But |
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|let's make sure it stays that way and send them more stuff! |
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|u/PM_me_your_O_face_ - 1 month |
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|That was my first thought. Lines of communication, supply lines, and |
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|logistics are all healthy in these occupied districts. That’s a good |
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|sign. If humanitarian is making it you know ammunition and supplies |
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|are making it just as well. |
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|u/shapu - 1 month |
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|War is a game of logistics as much as it is bombs and bullets. |
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|That's part of why the Ukrainians have been able to hold back the |
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|Russian waves. So it's not a shock that they are able to distribute |
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|humanitarian supplies quickly and effectively |
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|u/LOLBaltSS - 1 month |
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|There's a reason the US puts so much of a priority on logistics. |
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|If you can drop ship a Burger King to anywhere in the world within |
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|the span of days, you have the capacity to do whatever the hell |
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|else you want. Hell, we've even turned deploying cruise missiles |
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|into a literal palletized system in [Rapid Dragon](https://en.wiki |
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|pedia.org/wiki/Rapid_Dragon_(missile_system)). |
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|u/Grateful_Cat_Monk - 1 month |
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|Has any other country in the world ever had an ice cream boat? |
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|Because having an entire vessel in the middle of a war just for |
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|ice cream is a next level flex. |
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|u/adv0catus - 1 month |
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|There’s a story about that’s how a WW2 Japanese general knew |
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|they lost. When they could barely get fuel and the Americans |
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|had an entire boat just for ice cream. |
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|u/ShoshiRoll - 1 month |
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|Same with Germans during Battle of the Bulge. They found |
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|fresh cake from the states. They were eating barely edible |
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|rations and the Americans were able to deliver imported |
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|cake. |
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|u/adv0catus - 1 month |
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|Never heard that story! But psychological warfare is so |
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|interesting. I remember reading about Americans (I think?) |
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|taking XXL condoms and relabelling them as Medium and |
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|dropping them over the USSR. |
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|u/ShoshiRoll - 1 month |
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|Allied logistics in general was next level. If you were |
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|an American or British tank crew and your tank was |
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|disabled or destroyed, you were given a fresh new tank, |
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|sometimes mid battle. Then, if possible, the old tank |
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|would be recovered and repaired. If you were a German |
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|tank crew and your tank was disabled, either by fire or |
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|luck, you were now basic infantry. |
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|u/Initial_Cellist9240 - 1 month |
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|… are you a Tasting History fan by any chance? |
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|u/ShoshiRoll - 1 month |
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|never heard of it |
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|u/Initial_Cellist9240 - 1 month |
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|YouTube cooking show where he cooks historical |
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|recipes, 50% of the show is cooking, the other 50% |
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|history infographic. He’s done episodes on wwii |
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|infantry cake and also the icecream boats |
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|u/Intelligent_Cat1736 - 1 month |
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|"We have another boat for sprinkles!" |
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|u/Dankman - 1 month |
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|I vote the next commissioned ship in the U.S. NAVY be the |
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|U.S.S. SPRINKLES. |
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|u/Perfectshotplacement - 1 month |
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|You deserve my vote and I’ll send my bill for screen |
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|repair after I laughed and dropped my phone. |
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|u/Zonel - 1 month |
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|Think they had more than one ice cream ship tbh. |
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|u/Gommel_Nox - 1 month |
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|They had four, if I recall correctly. |
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|u/Amenhiunamif - 1 month |
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|That's an often repeated story but not *entirely* true. The |
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|story behind them is that they had larger refrigeration |
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|capabilities to supply troops with fresh food, and after their |
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|storage was emptied those capabilities were used to produce |
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|ice cream - but they weren't ships built or put on missions |
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|for the sole purpose of producing ice cream. And as they |
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|weren't self-propelled and had to be tugged everywhere they |
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|went, it was more expedient to just leave them in the theater |
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|instead of having to use other ships to tug them somewhere |
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|else for resupply. |
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|u/Gommel_Nox - 1 month |
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|So I guess the real pertinent question is how much time did |
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|these floating fridges spend refrigerating stuff other than |
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|ice cream? Especially considering that field rations didn’t |
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|need to be refrigerated, and combat vessels have large |
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|refrigerators in their galleys for their own use… |
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|u/betterwithsambal - 1 month |
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|Yeah the Japanese admirals knew they could not compete with a |
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|Navy that had ice cream ships. |
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|u/popwobbles - 1 month |
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|The British had a beer brewery ship, that was also a cinema |
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|and ballroom. |
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|u/Gommel_Nox - 1 month |
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|We would’ve or could’ve had a beer brewery ship, but |
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|Prohibition kind of messed up our priorities for a |
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|generation or two. So instead, we got ice cream. |
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|u/porcinechoirmaster - 1 month |
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|A friend of mine who was in the army for a while likes to say that |
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|"the United States doesn't have a military - they have a global |
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|logistics operation that happens to have an armed branch." |
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|u/Sandslinger_Eve - 1 month |
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|Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (1980): "Amateurs talk about tactics, |
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|but professionals study logistics. |
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|u/NaughtyCheffie - 1 month |
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|Do they accept stuffies? I feel like if I were in a warzone overseas |
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|I'd be pretty fuckin' happy to get a stupid little stuffed animal. |
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|u/themightypirate_ - 1 month |
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|I would probably be a lot happier with the basic necessities if I |
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|was stuck in a war zone lol |
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|u/Slamsonthegee - 1 month |
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|Nah I’m good on the necessities, I want some Pokemon cards /s |
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|u/Mister-builder - 1 month |
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|If anyone wants to send Steam gift cards, I could help out... |
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|u/kingjoey52a - 1 month |
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|Porque no los dos? |
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|u/HidaldoTresTorres - 1 month |
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|That space and weight could be food or medicine. Eso es |
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|porque. |
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|u/Stahl_Scharnhorst - 1 month |
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|Guys stop trying to strain logistics. |
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|u/gudetamaronin - 1 month |
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|Stuffed animals are necessary to children looking for normalcy |
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|and comfort in troubling times. |
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|u/ApolloXLII - 1 month |
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|I'm sure there's some orgs out there collecting donations like |
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|toys and stuffies for kids in affected areas. |
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|u/Titan-uranus - 1 month |
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|If there isn't, someone needs to start one. Can you imagine the |
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|ultimate troll of the Ukrainians entering villages and providing |
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|food and water and just handing out teddy bears to kids |
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|u/Anticode - 1 month |
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|I've known soldiers who carried around little stuffed animals (of |
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|the variety that includes a keychain) through combat zones after |
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|children or cute spouses send something over. I think many people |
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|might be quite surprised to find how happily the burliest, most |
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|deadly motherfucker in the warzone will bond with an unexpected |
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|tiny unicorn or whatever. They'll give them names, treat them like |
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|good luck charms, or just do it out of masculine irony (eg: I've |
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|been blown up four times and just shot a guy but hey, check out my |
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|rainbow-colored stuffed lobster). If that's what you'd like to |
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|do, I guarantee someone would appreciate it even if everyone |
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|chuckled in the process of dissemination. It's more likely that |
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|they'd probably argue with who gets to keep it. The kind of person |
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|that'd turn away a "stupid toy" is not the kind of person that |
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|thrives in an active warzone, we'll say... In the real world, the |
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|actual Rambo is - for whatever inexplicable reason - the same |
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|fuckin' guy that says some shit like, "Shit! Just meet me at the |
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|LZ in 10, I gotta go back to get the damned bunker kitten!" |
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|u/Cynicisomaltcat - 1 month |
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|Flashback to the “I Have A Dream” song/scene from the tavern in |
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|Tangled. “And Vladimir collects ceramic unicorns” *tink* |
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|Cracks me up every time. |
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|u/Flaky_Point_3612 - 1 month |
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|There was a strategy game from a fair ways back now called World |
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|in Conflict, where the campaign cutscenes follow two side |
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|characters, Mike and Anton, through the invasion of Seattle as |
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|slice of life beside the main cast. One of the main characters, |
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|Bannon (total d-bag), yells at them to "stow away that toy" in |
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|one of the cutscenes. One of the most building moments for all |
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|the characters involved and your comment made me realise just |
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|how good a job the devs did on it. [Cutscene |
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|referenced](https://youtu.be/BF6alwx90dw?feature=shared) |
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|u/guitarguywh89 - 1 month |
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|Money travels easier. Maybe there is a local cause that helps in |
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|such ways |
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|u/TooManyJabberwocks - 1 month |
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|Money can be exchanged for goods and services |
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|u/_zenith - 1 month |
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|There is the Wild Bees organisation, if you’re wanting to send |
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|supplies. They are a direct link to those who need them most, no |
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|middlemen, so you can be confident that what you give has maximum |
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|impact |
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|C'mon now |
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|What? |
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|I would laugh if I opened a care package in a warzone and there |
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|was doofy looking stuffed animal keychain inside. It would go |
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|everywhere |
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|u/Wolf4Slayer01 - 1 month |
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|Damn. Here I was thinking you meant the food. |
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|u/TheMeanestCows - 1 month |
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|I would love if they just started a fucking PIPELINE of information, |
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|bringing in buckets of newspapers, USB drives, phones and other |
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|devices with built-in VPN's and satellite connections* to get outsider |
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|perspectives of what's happening between Ukraine and Russia. Russia |
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|has kept its citizens buried under a mountain of propaganda for |
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|decades, because of this a large number of people, despite their |
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|feelings on the war, genuinely believe that Ukraine is a giant cavern |
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|of degenerate nazis and pedos, and Russian soldiers are there to do |
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|action-movie stunts to liberate citizens. Seriously, they publish a |
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|stack of novels daily and fill news stands and drug stores and grocery |
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|stores with four-hundred page novels about heroic Russian men and the |
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|women they love (to subjugate). I don't know how much we can actually |
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|do to shake people free of that kind of narrative, but it could wreck |
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|Russia's efforts for years or decades to come if enough of the right |
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|material was seeded into society there. I know Russia already has a |
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|lot of people who don't buy the BS, but we can crank those numbers up. |
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|\* ^no ^Elon, ^not ^you, ^go ^away. edit: i am not a war strategist |
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|guys, relax, I'm just sayin shit. If Ukrainian generals DO reach out |
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|to me for strategic advice, I will tell them all of your comments, k? |
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|I dont think they need to do much tbh. Just tell them they will |
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|leave as soon as the war is over and treat the people right. |
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|u/MicFury - 1 month |
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|They took the land by force and with little resistance. On top of |
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|that, they are treating the locals better than their own |
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|government. This is kicking Putin square in the dick and I'm all |
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|for it. What they're doing is just fantastic. |
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|u/just-maks - 1 month |
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|Why do you think they treat locals better? According to their |
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|own videos? There were such videos from Russia as well. It’s not |
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|enough to prove the point. |
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|u/No_Leg_9061 - 1 month |
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|How do you know how they treat locals? Have you been there? You |
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|brainwashed idiot. They have hostages they exchange for their |
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|captured soldiers. |
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|u/Nemisis_the_2nd - 1 month |
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|There was a Russian from St petersburg discussing the war the |
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|other day, and he made some pretty insightful points. The one that |
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|stuck with me, though, was the shift in support for the war since |
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|the start: The first few months were wall-to-wall "Z" |
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|propaganda, both from the government and average people displaying |
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|support. Since then, though, no one is criticising the war or |
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|putin, but the shows of support from the average person are also |
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|conspicuously absent. The war is not popular, but no one dares |
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|to actually speak out. |
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|u/MrL00t3r - 1 month |
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|The war is not popular, but hundreds join ruzzian army every |
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|day, tens/hundreds of thousands work at factories supplying |
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|army, millions support pootin, believe invasion was the right |
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|thing and ruzzia shouldn't withdraw and so on. |
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|u/Philias2 - 1 month |
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|Presumably the Russian friends you have are well informed people |
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|who are well connected to the internet and outside sources of |
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|information. This is not the case for a very large portion of |
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|the country. |
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|u/SendMeNudesThough - 1 month |
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|>I would love if they just started a fucking PIPELINE of |
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|information, bringing in buckets of newspapers, USB drives, phones |
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|and other devices with built-in VPN's and satellite connections* to |
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|get outsider perspectives of what's happening between Ukraine and |
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|Russia. Not sure that'd do much good. I mean, imagine if Iraq |
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|invaded the US following the US invasion of Iraq and the Iraqi |
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|military then distributed USB drives and newspapers detailing how |
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|horrible the US is. I'd wager you wouldn't just go, "You know, I |
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|hadn't thought about it in that way before!" When enemy combatants |
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|come into your country giving you a pamphlet on how bad your country |
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|That's a really interesting thing to consider. If a hostile nation |
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|occupied my home, provided me food and medicine that my country |
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|wasn't, and left some pamphlets that rationally explained why they |
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|invaded and what they expected... I would certainly be nonplussed. |
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|I vaguely remember when the war started some Russian soldiers |
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|were surprised by something as mundane as indoor toilets, or |
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|u/RailRuler - 1 month |
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|u/Wurm42 - 1 month |
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|Yes, many rural areas in Russia still don't have |
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|u/TootBreaker - 1 month |
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|Indoor clothes washing machine that has a hot water |
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|connection! Amazing waste of precious hot water, can you |
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|u/a8bmiles - 1 month |
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|Right? If somehow some EU country invaded my state and promptly |
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|started providing free health care and worker protections I'd be |
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|all, "I'm... not even mad". |
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|Not sure we can invade the USA anytime soon though, |
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|sorry...maybe if the USA stops electing idiots we won't have |
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|to bring you free health care BY FORC! |
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|u/a8bmiles - 1 month |
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|We're trying! |
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|u/Sorkijan - 1 month |
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|Bad example. If modern society evolved into a place where Iran was |
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|successfully invading the US I'd probably at least have an open |
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|u/Foxasaurusfox - 1 month |
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|Alternatively, use Canada or Britain as an example, i.e. a |
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|Minnesotan here. Don't threaten me with better heatlhcare. |
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|Oh, Canada! My home was annexed to your laaaaaand. |
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|u/angelis0236 - 1 month |
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|For real just about anyone with an English language and |
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|similar cultures would have healthcare and public |
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|transportation and so many more reasons. I'd definitely |
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|welcome our Canadian/British/Aussie overlords. |
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|u/-SaC - 1 month |
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|No broken returns ty. Store policy. |
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|u/angelis0236 - 1 month |
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|And the warranty expired 249 years ago 😭 |
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|u/ExploringWithKoles - 1 month |
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|I'd be like, oh just a hard-core training excercise, nothing |
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|to see here |
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|u/BeBearAwareOK - 1 month |
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|Bad example because people who've taken American History would |
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|be like "yeah, we already know". |
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|u/LewisLightning - 1 month |
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|>imagine if Iraq invaded the US following the US invasion of Iraq |
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|and the Iraqi military then distributed USB drives and newspapers |
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|detailing how horrible the US is. I'd wager you wouldn't just go, |
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|"You know, I hadn't thought about it in that way before!" Except |
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|then there'd be Australian media going against it, British media, |
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|German media, Spanish media, French media, Canadian media, Italian |
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|media, Greek media, Polish media, etc., etc. It's not just one |
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|country speaking against it, it's most of the world. Russia has |
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|largely isolated its citizens from outside media. Facebook and |
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|YouTube are banned, the main source of information comes from the |
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|government. The few countries that support them also don't have |
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|their media widely available, only the parts that are |
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|complimentary to the Russian government. From the outside it's |
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|clear, but from the inside it's muddy at best. |
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|u/RussianWasabi - 1 month |
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|Youtube isn't banned though. |
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|u/Sylux120 - 1 month |
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|Apparently one of the biggest mistakes of the US during Iraq was |
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|not providing alternative media and leaving them with only |
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|anti-u.s. Afghanistan television to watch |
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|u/TheMeanestCows - 1 month |
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|It was/would be a lot different for USA/Iraq because of a direct |
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|history between our countries where we in the USA were in fact the |
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|unjustified aggressor at one point, and there isn't a shared |
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|culture between us, US and Iraq are massively separated |
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|culturally, but Ukraine and Russia speak the same language. There |
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|is more of an "opening" for outside influence in Russia, and |
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|besides, you're not expecting to change the hearts and minds of |
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|hardline Russia loyalists, you're hoping to give their rebellious |
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|teenagers something subversive to secretly embrace for no other |
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|reason than to feel they're free-thinkers. Look how easy it was |
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|in the US to get some small segment of delusional teenagers to |
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|start saying Bin Ladin was "based" and had "good points." |
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|u/Big-Summer- - 1 month |
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|Also these people have been force-fed bullshit propaganda for |
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|years. Analogy: the people in the U.S. who listen to nothing but |
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|right wing news. The presence of fact based, honest reporting has |
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|no effect on them whatsoever. A talking head dude on Fox said that |
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|scientists reported that a man who votes for a woman will turn |
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|into a woman. And they fucking believe it. |
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|u/PyroIsSpai - 1 month |
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|> USB drives Buckets of these. "Share these with all your Russian |
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|friends," and each jam packed with evidence of Putin and his pals |
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|robbing Russia blind since the 1990s. |
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|u/TacoIncoming - 1 month |
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|All that NATO training they got from 2014 to 2022 wasn't just small |
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|unit tactics and building an nco corps. Logistics wins wars. |
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|u/Titan-uranus - 1 month |
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|That's why you don't touch the boats |
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|u/podkayne3000 - 1 month |
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|Also, that it’s sane. The ability to think of enemy civilians as |
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|human is a sign leaders can make decisions in a rational way. |
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|u/adhesivepants - 1 month |
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|If you let Trump win (which means you throw your vote away, not just |
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|you vote for him) solid chance Ukraine will lose this war. He will not |
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|sign off on aid. But he WILL ship all of that aid to Israel. So if |
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|you are like "But I don't want to vote Kamala because genocide" - with |
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|Trump you get two genocides. |
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|u/multiarmform - 1 month |
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|thats a pretty big city population of like 1mil. did people leave and |
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|supply chains cut off? i havent kept up fully with the ukraine |
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|situation, just bits and pieces |
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|u/TrueLogicJK - 1 month |
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|Kursk Oblast is a State/region, which indeed has a population of 1 |
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|million total. They've not taken the whole Oblast(state) though, and |
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|they've not taken the city of Kursk itself which makes up half the |
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|population (400000), and they won't take that city as it's too far |
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|and too big. What they have taken is an area in the southwestern |
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|part of the Oblast of upwards of 1000 square kilometers which |
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|includes over 80 settlements, and a total population of around |
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|25000, with the biggest settlement being the town of Sudzha with a |
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|population of 6000, and quite strategically important in particular |
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|due to a railway hub nearby. The question of supply chains comes up |
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|mostly because it's the first time Ukraine has entered Russian |
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|territory, and the fastest they've moved the frontline forward since |
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|2022, which means logistics/supplies have to be fast too to keep up. |
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|u/multiarmform - 1 month |
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|thanks, i keep hearing kursk everywhere |
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|u/Alklazaris - 1 month |
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|Now that I didn't think of. That is brilliant, no matter what the |
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|Russians say you prove them wrong by your actions. How sad and |
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|pathetic could it be if they were better under occupied rule. |
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|u/PixelBoom - 1 month |
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|This is the big take away here. If so many supplies are making it to |
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|the front that the Ukrainian forces can afford to send out |
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|humanitarian aid, that means they have established a solid logistics |
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|chain already and can reinforce and reload far quicker than expected. |
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|u/mechwarrior719 - 1 month |
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|I wouldn’t be surprised if NATO advisors have pushed the importance of |
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|logistics over actual strategy to the Ukrainians. The most genius |
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|strategy ever conceived won’t mean mouse farts if you can’t get troops |
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|there and keep them supplied. |
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|u/aqueous_paragon - 1 month |
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|No thanks, I'd prefer my tax dollars to not fund a war I have no stake |
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|in |
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|u/retronintendo - 1 month |
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|Ukraine treats Russians better than Putin does |
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|u/wswordsmen - 1 month |
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|That's the idea. They want the world and Russians to see that life |
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|could be better not under Putin. |
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|u/ShimKeib - 1 month |
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|Operation Hearts and Minds |
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|u/AuntEyeEvil - 1 month |
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|and Bellies. Everyone needs a full belly. |
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|u/sailirish7 - 1 month |
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|> Everyone needs a full belly. There is no excuse for this to |
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|not be the case worldwide, and I would argue it would be a FAR |
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|better use of our tax dollars. |
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|u/NikoC99 - 1 month |
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|Food shortage is a fully logistics problem nowadays. And |
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|pricing. |
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|u/AuntEyeEvil - 1 month |
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|And food is used by some regimes to control the masses. |
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|Starving people just don't have the energy to rise up and |
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|rebel. |
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|u/darthcaedusiiii - 1 month |
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|I hope they actually succeed in less than 20 years, without |
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|spending $8,000,000,000,000, and don't go back to the same ole |
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|shit like the taliban. |
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|u/IntoTheFeu - 1 month |
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|Afghanistan was always 15000 tribes under a trenchcoat they |
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|didn’t want. Was never going to work, but what do I know, I |
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|only have a high school education. |
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|u/angry_old_bastard - 1 month |
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|i think unifying afghanistan *could* have worked....it "just" |
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|would have taken 60-100 years of large scale occupation and |
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|massive aid with a high level of western cultural influence. |
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|would have needed to have been 3-5 generations to make it |
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|normalized. of course, doing that is pretty fuckin insane, |
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|especially in the modern day, and amazingly costly to the |
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|point it would probably just need to be a modern day colony, |
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|just with better treatment of the locals. just not something |
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|that would happen in this timeline. |
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|u/JustAnother4848 - 1 month |
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|I always thought the same. I think after 40 years we would |
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|have had a lot of improvement. 40 years of educating women |
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|(and boys) and keeping the military standing and operating. |
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|That kind of drain on the US just wasn't and isn't possible. |
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|u/Amenhiunamif - 1 month |
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|By the time the occupation ended, the first generation to |
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|have lived somewhat with the promise of western values |
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|just started to get into higher degrees. Even if there |
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|were no errors made on other points (and there were a lot |
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|of them) in how to handle Afghanistan, it would've taken |
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|at least until the majority of the population was used to |
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|our standards for it to hold, and even then it would've |
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|been shaky. |
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|u/sluttytinkerbells - 1 month |
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|that period of time if there wasn't so much graft and |
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|corruption in the money that was being spent on |
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|Afghanistan. The failure of America to permanently |
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|change the culture of Afghanistan for the better is |
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|directly attributable to the likes of Dick Cheney and |
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|Halliburton as much as it is the people resisting having |
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|their regressive culture from being changed. |
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|u/yeFoh - 1 month |
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|i would have said to make a UN-guaranteed free secular |
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|government and let them cook, but then i remembered russia |
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|and china are on the security council. russia being |
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|problematic should be clear, but with china, i only fear |
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|they would veto the UN at every turn to get themselves lots |
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|of monopolies in afghani economy. the chinese seem |
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|ruthlessly mercantile. |
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|u/angry_old_bastard - 1 month |
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|yeah, sadly the un is fairly worthless at anything but a |
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|place to talk at each other (which yeah i get why). its |
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|why my thoughts turned towards just being a modern day |
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|colony, its the only way i could think to finance an |
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|occupation and building up of the country on the scale |
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|needed for such a long period. |
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|u/hx87 - 1 month |
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|We could have picked a better government to support though. |
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|Najibullah and the communists survived more than 3 years with |
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|no Soviet troops backing them up, whereas the former Afghan |
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|government lasted less than a month. |
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|u/Cdru123 - 1 month |
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|Russia has a westernized population (however much the |
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|politicians and propagandists may talk about "We don't need your |
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|western movies") and a national identity, even if the |
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|inhabitants of muslim-majority regions would disagree with it. |
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|So it'll do a lot better than Afghanistan |
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|u/Scientedfic - 1 month |
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|Woah woah, I’ve seen this political party before, you can’t |
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|convince me Redestro! Wait, sorry, wrong sub lol |
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|u/Frosenborg - 1 month |
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|Yep. When the Nazis invaded Soviet Union in the second world war, |
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|the civilians pretty mich welcomed them with open arms. But the |
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|Nazis treated them badly so the civilians turned against them. |
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|u/TheIndyCity - 1 month |
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|I mean, if I'm a Russian I'm doing the math and see that Ukraine's |
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|gonna be in the EU after this conflict, I'd want them to takeover my |
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|town in hopes that somehow they can hold onto after the conflict |
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|u/Answermancer - 1 month |
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|That's all fine, but many Russians are extremely brainwashed, they |
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|have an ethnic slur for Ukrainians they use constantly, and most |
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|of their responses outside the invasion zone has been and will be |
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|"how dare these <slurs> do this to Russia??!" Do not give too |
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|u/TheIndyCity - 1 month |
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|No question about that, just saying if my options were post-war |
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|Russia or post-war Ukraine as my future I'd DEFINITELY want to |
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|u/Answermancer - 1 month |
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|u/RussianWasabi - 1 month |
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|Ukrainians often use slurs towards Russians as well. So idk |
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|what's your point here |
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|u/GreenWhiteHelmet - 1 month |
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|I mean you could try, but when people are brainwashed. What can you |
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|do for them? Look at the MAGA folks |
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|u/Tarman-245 - 1 month |
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|MAGA is the epitome of western privilege mixed with evangelical |
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|u/Hosni__Mubarak - 1 month |
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|It would be hilarious if Ukraine ends up controlling Russia. |
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|u/T__T__ - 1 month |
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|Should be called operation Crimea-River, dedicated to Vlady P himself. |
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|u/pork-pies - 1 month |
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|It’s gunna be in May? |
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|u/Blueopus2 - 1 month |
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|The Ukrainian Marshall plan |
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|u/EmberGlitch - 1 month |
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|Even better than Russia treats their soldiers, considering a lot of |
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|their troops currently need to ration drinking water. |
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|https://x.com/DefenceHQ/status/1823273344818376738 |
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|u/No-Tennis-7893 - 1 month |
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|Or drink from muddy puddles of water. Dysentery for everyone! |
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|u/healthywealthyhappy8 - 1 month |
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|Russia: invades country, bombs locals, steals children, rapes women, |
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|loots homes. Ukraine: Invades country, helps locals. One of these is |
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|not like the other. |
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|u/-wnr- - 1 month |
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|Future Russia: flattens every town in Kursk to take it back from the |
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|Ukrainians, blames Ukrainians for destroying the towns. |
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|u/Due_Turn_7594 - 1 month |
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|I’m surprised they haven’t started bombing them tbh, and then blame |
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|it on the Ukrainians |
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|u/Stubber_NK - 1 month |
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|They're struggling to launch coordinated strikes on Ukrainian |
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|positions that have been in place for months. A few days on a new |
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|front isn't nearly enough time for them to get assets pointed that |
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|way. |
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|u/MTFBinyou - 1 month |
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|Didn’t they bomb their own men because of a false Telegram post |
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|reporting “Ukrainian” movements but after they bombed them it |
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|turned out to be a mistake and they killed a shitload of their |
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|own guys? I saw this somewhere a couple days ago and forgot to |
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|follow up on it, but it also coincided with Russia starting to |
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|limit internet/apps and smartphones from the frontlines so it |
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|made sense. |
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|u/UniqueUsernme - 1 month |
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|There was a telegram post about striking certain types of |
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|vehicles believed to be captured by the Ukrainians, but it was |
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|quickly deleted. Recently there is a video of a Russian KA-52 |
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|striking a vehicle, but another video from the Ukrainian side |
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|showed it was a friendly fire incident |
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|(https://x.com/DefMon3/status/1823784370391396541). There's |
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|also another earlier case that reported Russian SPGs being |
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|destroyed by friendly fire, probably also by a KA-52. |
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|u/Stubber_NK - 1 month |
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|I don't know anything about the incident you're describing, |
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|but it's completely within the realm of incompetence that I |
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|believe the Russian command would be capable of. |
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|u/TheArmoredKitten - 1 month |
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|There is a recording of a Russian infantryman begging into his |
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|radio to stop shelling because most of his unit has been wiped |
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|out by friendly fire, and you can vaguely hear shells |
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|continuing to land in the background. |
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|u/MeatballWasTaken - 1 month |
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|This has happened several times since the incursion began |
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|u/tacticooltupperware - 1 month |
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|Bingo. The Russian VVS is not a modern air force in the sense |
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|that they don't really have the ability or the training to find |
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|targets on the fly. And Russians really don't use targeting |
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|pods. So their ability to adjust to dynamic conditions is pretty |
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|limited compared to the modern NATO equivalent. |
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|u/ShoshiRoll - 1 month |
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|Well trained pilots are easier to defect. |
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|u/Due_Turn_7594 - 1 month |
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|lol good |
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|u/aceofspades1217 - 1 month |
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|They have, that is why they quickly ordered evacuations they want |
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|to carpet bomb all the territory they took |
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|u/Due_Turn_7594 - 1 month |
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|Whenever I hear the hunger games I can only think of the |
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|community episode. THA HUNGER DEANNNNNSSSSSS |
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|u/sabotourAssociate - 1 month |
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|They are looking for hospitals and schools but cant find any. |
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|u/krell_154 - 1 month |
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|that's just because they haven't got their aritllery in range yet |
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|u/MetriccStarDestroyer - 1 month |
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|Literally this. I remember a family evacuating Kursk and filming |
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|the Russian convoy going in. The convoy brought a MLRS truck. |
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|That thing will flatten every house in the neighborhood before |
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|hitting a single enemy. |
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|u/ObjectiveAide9552 - 1 month |
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|I would bet money on this |
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|u/TheMeanestCows - 1 month |
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|Literally what will probably happen. |
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|u/Uphoria - 1 month |
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|That is the goal. This is somewhat Psy-Op. Russia will have a |
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|hard time calling Ukraine evil things when the conquered were |
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|given food, medicine, and supplies. When Russia bombs their towns |
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|to dust to take them back, they will remember that too. Russia |
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|can't act their playbook in their own territory, its kryptonite. |
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|u/Existing-Advert - 1 month |
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|As long as they have room to park their bradley's |
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|u/VinnehRoos - 1 month |
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|I'm sure the valets are trained to park them! |
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|u/lilschreck - 1 month |
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|The locals are only trained to operate BMPs and BTRs |
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|u/ReplacementLow6704 - 1 month |
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|BTR is 2 or less. 3 is still top secret cutting edge tech. |
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|u/ShoshiRoll - 1 month |
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|Its designed for a 17 year old to be able to operate. I doubt |
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|its hard to figure out how to move. |
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|u/Low-Union6249 - 1 month |
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|That’s MY parking spot!!! You dinged my door!!! |
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|u/heimdal77 - 1 month |
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|Pulls in and ontop with a tank. |
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|u/Choose-wisely87 - 1 month |
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|Now to be fair the Russians did intend to use local restaurants and |
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|stores, they brought their finest uniforms and planned to have a |
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|victory parade after 3days. Its just that the local restaurants and |
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|stores would have been looted and everything not nailed down would |
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|be stolen and the staff off the restaurants and stores would be left |
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|with the debt. |
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|u/Belgand - 1 month |
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|Ukraine: Attends your band's show to support the local scene even |
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|though you guys are still pretty new. |
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|u/aard_fi - 1 month |
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|Russian soldiers in Ukraine going to local restaurants do end up |
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|dead now and then, though, which I guess can dampen the mood about |
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|going out to eat. |
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|u/SnowyLynxen - 1 month |
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|Babushka would never poison anyone she’s just happy someone is |
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|here to eat all the food she made! |
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|u/aard_fi - 1 month |
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|There were quite a few Ukrainian babushkas early on proudly |
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|giving interviews how they disguise the taste of rat poison in |
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|the food they're cooking for the Russians. |
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|u/Koreish - 1 month |
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|The babushka handing out sunflower seeds to Russian soldiers |
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|telling them they'd make great fertilizer went pretty hard. |
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|Still does, but damn did that set the tone for how the |
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|Ukrainians were going to operate. |
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|u/aceofspades1217 - 1 month |
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|Lol not the Ukrainian babushkas a lot of Russian soldiers were |
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|poisoned early on |
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|u/Backwardspellcaster - 1 month |
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|Fuck them |
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|u/medihoney_IV - 1 month |
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|right, do not mess with Ukrainian babushkas. |
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|u/Scalpels - 1 month |
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|[They will make the sunflowers |
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|u/SenorLos - 1 month |
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|You make it sound like they were "can't cook" anime characters. |
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|u/ThePartyWagon - 1 month |
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|Russians break into local Ukrainian businesses and loot/steal as |
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|u/Osiris32 - 1 month |
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|sfuck/comments/1erx6ux/restaurant_reviews_in_kursk_region_russia_ami |
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|u/agumonkey - 1 month |
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|Kinda insane that Ukrainians managed to keep their dignity and care |
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|for others after two years of hard fight and pain... |
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|u/deadpoetic333 - 1 month |
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|International support is vital to them, providing aid they likely |
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|got through international donation will pay for itself 10 fold. |
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|u/ComradeMoneybags - 1 month |
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|Considering who’s backing them as well as aspirations for the EU and |
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|NATO for their long-term prosperity and security, they absolutely |
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|u/fatkiddown - 1 month |
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|It reminds me of Star Trek Voyager, where the Borg try to attack |
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|and assimilate species 8472 who lived in fluid space and were a |
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|100% biological species with even biological ships. Basically when |
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|voyager happened upon the whole thing, species 8472 was literally |
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|wiping the Borg out bcs the whole thing had backfired. Russia is |
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|the Borg in this example. |
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|u/Charlie9967 - 1 month |
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|Every right to go berserk, but they know who the real fight is with. |
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|And this is a common military tactic called Hearts & Minds, win over |
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|the people with kindness and communication, not anger and fear. |
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|u/OremDobro - 1 month |
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|>Every right to go berserk What? Absolutely not. Ukraine has the |
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|right to defend itself and fight back, but "going berserk" to me |
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|implies war crimes and nobody has "every right" to commit those |
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|u/Martin_Leong25 - 1 month |
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|Well if you start being a dick, there are no differences between you |
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|two, inly who was attacked first. And altruism aside helping |
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|u/agumonkey - 1 month |
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|Sure, but after so much suffering it takes some real grit to no |
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|avenge yourself. But this is driving the point harder.. the |
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|'alleged' nazis are taking care of ennemies in front of russian |
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|u/N0kiaoff - 1 month |
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|Valid points, and i just want to add a thought: Its the grit |
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|needed in war. It makes the difference between slaughter and |
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|lawful conduct. It also helps to showcase these differences |
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|between russia and ukraine. And it helps the ukrainian |
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|combatants in the long term in the mental health aspect: War |
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|is a dangerous zone, because the stress & the brutality can |
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|leave marks. I knew and cared for veterans of ww2, and most |
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|regretted in old age their own brutality and all to often |
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|complicity or own crimes. They had decades of problems to |
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|control their anger, today it would be called PTSD. Keeping a |
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|military force in lawful behavior is not only a protection for |
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|the civilians, but also one for any soldier, who is in combat. |
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|u/agumonkey - 1 month |
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|u/jtbc - 1 month |
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|They also don't torture and rape POW's, and feed them better than the |
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|Russian army does. No wonder they are surrendering in droves. |
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|u/Cr33py07dGuy - 1 month |
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|I think more of those guys surrendering in Kursk were better |
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|educated, better informed guys than down in Donbas. They were just |
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|conscripts from regular families trying to quietly do their time and |
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|go home. Probably well aware that the front lines are a meat-grinder |
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|and that being a POW in Ukraine isn’t that bad. |
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|u/Updooting_on_New - 1 month |
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|How dare these nazis ! just in case /s |
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|u/Gellert - 1 month |
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|Right! Fucking Ukraine, defending themselves and helping people! |
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|Who do they think they are, the good guys?!? |
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|u/Slahinki - 1 month |
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|u/snockpuppet24 - 1 month |
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|Also Russian soldiers who then let the Ukrainians know where |
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|u/Nemisis_the_2nd - 1 month |
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|What do we call this war's equivalent of Fragging, where you get |
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|your own side killed because you know the people currently |
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|shooting at you are less of a threat? |
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|u/big_duo3674 - 1 month |
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|This wasn't just a crash in and burn operation, they definitely had to |
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|be careful with this for it to work the way they want. Collateral |
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|damage does happen in war no matter what, but limiting it as much as |
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|possible and rendering aid to civilians caught in their path is going |
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|to damage Russia more than the actual attacks will. It may just be |
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|some villages but word of mouth spreads easier than word of electronic |
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|device in an authoritarian country. My biggest concern would be |
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|repercussions from the Russian government against anyone caught |
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|accepting the help, and that fear could unfortunately limit the amount |
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|u/N0kiaoff - 1 month |
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|The fear of repercussion by russia is a factor, but one that can |
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|sideways for russia easily. Its an experience the old russian- |
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|zaristic Regime had to face. Ukraine can do nothing than offer help |
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|and supply to civilians. (Evakroutes are also happening, from what i |
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|gathered) Russia faces multiple problems and those can not be |
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|denied and are talked about in russia, even if the kreml dislikes |
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|it. Another drop in the bucket of internal russian tensions. And |
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|yes, russian civilians are apathetic, i will not deny that. But even |
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|that complacency has limits and eventually the fear of being |
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|Gonna be a hell of a contrast when the Russian army comes in to |
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|"liberate" the area with indiscriminate artillery fire. |
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|u/healthywealthyhappy8 - 1 month |
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|When Russia kills more Russians than Ukraine, I wonder how they will |
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|justify fighting in the military. Surely the military there knows |
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|they are fighting in Russia… |
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|u/claimTheVictory - 1 month |
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|It won't matter because nothing matters to them. |
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|u/neuhmz - 1 month |
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|Or if they send in mercenaries to do it that would be verryyy |
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|telling. |
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|u/krozarEQ - 1 month |
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|Already video of Russians looting houses of evacuated Russians near |
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|Kursk. They also destroyed one of their own columns yesterday. |
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|u/Saandrig - 1 month |
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|If Russia retakes those territories, there will be a lot of |
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|"prosecuting traitors and collaborators". Because that's how they |
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|will have to explain the initial loss. |
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|u/thenonallgod - 1 month |
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|Ukraine is creating another Donbas for the future |
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|u/Tymathee - 1 month |
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|Learn from the Nazis what not to do Im ww2 when they invaded they |
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|treated the citizens like shit, so this is smart. Russians have a long |
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|memory |
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|u/EjunX - 1 month |
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|The Soviet Union was notorious in WW2 for raping more than a million |
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|girls and women of almost all ages of which many died. You could've |
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|just said they learned what not to do from the Russians. |
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|u/Tymathee - 1 month |
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|Well that too |
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|u/Delusional_Gamer - 1 month |
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|Wasn't Ukraine also in this Soviet Union? |
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|u/OldSpiceMelange - 1 month |
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|Ukraine is probably going to leave Kursk in better condition than they |
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|found it. Be like Ukraine. |
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|u/beavedaniels - 1 month |
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|Yeah total Nazi behavior from Ukraine they must be stopped smh |
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|Obvious /s because the world has lost their damn minds |
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|u/boraam - 1 month |
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|Fringe |
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|u/HolyDarkDeath - 1 month |
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|One of these things does not belong. |
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|u/apoplepticdoughnut - 1 month |
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|Its worth it to at least try killing them with kindness before you |
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|just kill them. |
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|u/Shukrat - 1 month |
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|Taking a play out of Alexander the Great's book. He conquered but then |
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|built up. |
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|u/BombaFett - 1 month |
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|Meanwhile, those that fled are being sent to the “totally not a war |
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|zone” area of Zaporizhzhia. Where they will receive only the finest |
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|care |
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|u/MithranArkanere - 1 month |
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|I doubt that is the case, but even if Ukraine was doing it to |
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|manipulate the locals and put them against Russia, [it is still a good |
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|thing to do no matter the |
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|reason](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvskMHn0sqQ). |
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|u/Passing_Thru_Forest - 1 month |
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|I'm so negative about the World that I first read the title as |
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|"disturbs" and thought "goddammit, even them?!" |
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|u/Pillowsmeller18 - 1 month |
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|more like Russia raped everybody they could get their hands on, not |
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|just women. |
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|u/Insaniaksin - 1 month |
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|My hope is that Ukraine pulls an Uno Reverse and completely topples |
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|the Russian government and installs a democracy or otherwise absorbs |
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|all of Russia. Can you imagine the history books? "End result of |
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|Russia's special military exercise is Ukraine conquering Russia" |
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|u/metalmilitia182 - 1 month |
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|You forgot executing children just because. |
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|https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/19/two-russians-claiming-to-be- |
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|wagner-mercenaries-admit-to-killing-children-in-ukraine This story |
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|still pops up in my head sometimes, as the girl would have been my |
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|daughter's age... It's why I tend to get spitting mad if someone says |
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|we've given enough aid to ukraine. |
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|u/Berkyjay - 1 month |
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|It's like evil timeline Russia opened a dimensional gate to come and |
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|fight good timeline Russia. |
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|u/Ipracticemagic - 1 month |
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|Ukrainian soldiers aren't perfect, there have been bad things going on |
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|too. Much less, I bet, but still. Source: Ukrainian refugees I've |
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|talked to in person. |
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|u/ShepardCommander001 - 1 month |
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|Russia: steals toilets and washing machines |
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|u/aWittyTwit-2712 - 1 month |
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|Hearts & Minds |
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|u/xxhamzxx - 1 month |
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|Do those still exist in Russia? Hmm |
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|u/aWittyTwit-2712 - 1 month |
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|The subjugated & enslaved of my enemy... Is my friend. |
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|u/Underbash - 1 month |
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|Oh come on, let them have a little light dehumanization...as a |
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|treat. /s |
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|u/Liizam - 1 month |
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|If Ukraine has it in their heart to distribute aid to civilians |
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|of their enemy, random reddits need to chill about demonizing |
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|whole nation. |
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|u/lePickles1point0 - 1 month |
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|I agree with you. |
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|u/big-ol-poosay - 1 month |
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|Yes and they belong to millions of their people. |
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|u/PixelBoom - 1 month |
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|Having talked to political refugees from both Russia and Belarus, |
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|they do. But they need to be well hidden. Otherwise, they're likely |
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|to get scooped up by the secret police and never seen again. |
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|u/mrbswe - 1 month |
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|I think, its all good. But it matters little as long as Putin is in |
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|power. But it will make the occupation easier i would imagine. |
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|u/Ploppyun - 1 month |
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|Maybe they’re fine with Putin ‘relocating’ them to another war |
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|zone—can’t remember the exact name of the Russian-occupied Ukrainian |
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|territory he’s relocating them to—because they’re hoping they can stay |
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|on after Ukraine gets that territory back. Go back to Russia or stay |
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|and become Ukranian citizen and part of the West? Hmmmmm…..would that be |
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|a hard decision for a former citizen of Kursk? Not sure but I think I’d |
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|want to become Ukrainian. It’s not looking great for Russia’s future in |
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|my opinion. I am not even sure it’d be possible for them to become |
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|Ukrainians if they get relocated and then the war ends and Ukraine gets |
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|their land back. If so, it’d be so much easier for them to immigrate to |
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|somewhere in Europe if they didn’t want to stay in Ukraine. |
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|u/ForgetfullRelms - 1 month |
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|I would imagine any peace deals would demand a reverse of such |
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|u/hh3k0 - 1 month |
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|That has been discussed time and time again. Ukraine wants them |
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|reversed, but will judge on a case by case basis because since 1949 |
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|the Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits mass expulsions. They learned |
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|from the terrible mass expulsions of the Germans from various |
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|European countries after WW2. |
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|u/SloppyCheeks - 1 month |
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|>They learned from the terrible mass expulsions of the Germans |
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|from various European countries after WW2. Is there a name or |
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|identifier for this event I can use to look into it more? |
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|u/_rukiri - 1 month |
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|Best start might be the wikipedia article about that https://en. |
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|wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9 |
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|31950) |
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|u/SloppyCheeks - 1 month |
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|That'll do nicely, thank you! |
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|u/ForgetfullRelms - 1 month |
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|True tho Russia had cited the presence of Russian, and |
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|‘’Russian’’, populations in Ukraine as one of many justifications |
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|for the current war. The fact we are not seeing mass - ‘’civilian |
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|level’’ atrocities against such populations in other countries is |
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|a testament of level-headless compared to the normal behavior |
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|during the WW2 and post WW2 period |
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|u/zcg4755 - 1 month |
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|Zaporizhzhia Oblast—in case you were wondering. |
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|u/tehbeard - 1 month |
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|Given the fuckery the Russians are pulling with the nuclear power |
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|plant there.... I hope they're not that stupid to be doing what I |
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|u/The69BodyProblem - 1 month |
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|Holy shit. They absolutely are. That's fucked up. |
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|u/BringbackDreamBars - 1 month |
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|Harder than you think I would imagine. |
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|u/Nights_Harvest - 1 month |
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|There is no scenario in which Ukraine keeps Russian land, such action |
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|is against over all wester values and would definitely be used as a |
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|reasoning point against allowing ukrain to join NATO based on the fact |
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|that Russia can come and demand those grounds back. If anything I'd |
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|they manage to hold it, it's a great bantering chip against Russia |
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|when it comes down to negotiations. You get out of our land and we |
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|u/TThor - 1 month |
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|There is no way Ukraine would keep that land *so long as Russia |
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|agrees to peace* /*. There has always been a real concern that |
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|Russia would never actually end the war, and possibly turn it into a |
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|North Korea situation where the conflict never truly ends, either |
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|forming a stalemate or a slow war of attrition. Ukraine taking |
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|Russian territory helps prevent that; if Ukraine can fortify these |
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|Russian territories to hold them, every day of they hold them will |
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|be a day of embarrassment to Russia about losing historical |
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|significant territory and proving unable to control their own land. |
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|This puts a lot more pressure on Putin, if he fails to retake it, to |
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|sue for a peace agreement that trades Russian soil for Ukrainian. |
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|u/loveshercoffee - 1 month |
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|The longer Ukraine holds that territory, the greater the danger |
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|for Putin that the people in Kursk decide for themselves that they |
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|don't want to be part of Russia anymore. With a weakened military |
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|the sad existence under despotic rule, Putin may end up dealing |
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|with a bunch of rogue states trying to breakaway. Russia may fall |
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|apart in the same way the Soviet Union did. |
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|u/PM_me_your_O_face_ - 1 month |
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|They’ve already said they don’t want it and it’s specifically to |
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|refill their “trade bank” (pows for trade), and to hold land to |
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|exchange back for peaceful transfer of their own occupied lands. It |
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|all falls on Russia. Leave and get your shit back. |
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|u/BringbackDreamBars - 1 month |
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|Agreed. There's no way they flip russia even if the residents asked. |
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|u/Lunardextrose9 - 1 month |
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|Alright! We will give you the land russia! Here let’s hold a |
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|referendum to see what the people want to do there! They don’t |
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|want to join back and have declared themselves independent from |
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|Russia?? Who would have see that coming! |
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|u/Ashleyempire - 1 month |
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|Not at all, Russia will owe Ukraine a fuck ton of reperations, Land |
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|may actually change hands instead, as Russia was practically |
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|valueless before the war. They cannot afford reperations. |
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|u/brichar62 - 1 month |
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|I’m worried these areas are mined. |
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|u/Esmarial - 1 month |
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|Russia is going to relocate people from Kursk region into Zaporizzhia |
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|region specifically into locations near Berdiansk and maybe Mariupol |
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|u/mick_boi - 1 month |
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|Much better than the measly 250 euro that putin offered. |
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|u/al_pacappuchino - 1 month |
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|It’s was $115… lmao |
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|u/RexLynxPRT - 1 month |
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|Literally [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/s/8QbT1sJ8S1) |
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|u/AutomaticFly7098 - 1 month |
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|This is the best part if true [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldn |
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|ews/comments/1epj7oe/comment/lhl5jbx/) |
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|u/kokaklucis - 1 month |
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|And even that was not given, from what I recall reading recently. |
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|Basically, the regional leaders said that no such support is planned |
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|or available. |
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|u/Sancorso - 1 month |
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|They don't want to locals to see em as conquerors, they want them to see |
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|em as their saviours. Really smart to gain local support. |
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|u/Horn_Python - 1 month |
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|yeh also they are dependant on western support, so helping them helps |
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|them look good for their allies ( and also the people who they are |
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|supplying directly) |
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|u/DonutsOnTheWall - 1 month |
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|blowing up hospitals vs taking good care about the people. russia, watch |
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|and learn! |
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|u/fallout_fan3 - 1 month |
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|That's awesome |
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|u/kujasgoldmine - 1 month |
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|Russia brings murder, rape and terror to civilians. Ukraine brings |
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|freedom and humanitarian aid. |
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|u/All_Work_All_Play - 1 month |
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|> Ukraine and western culture brings freedom and humanitarian aid. |
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|The US didn't win the cold war with its military. It won because the |
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|prosperity of western ideologies is impossible to ignore. |
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|u/Jouzou87 - 1 month |
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|There's a joke where a teacher in East Germany asks the students: |
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|"Why do we love the Russians?" "Because they liberated us" |
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|"Right. And why do we hate the Americans?" "Because they didn't |
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|liberate us" |
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|u/LOLBaltSS - 1 month |
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|Yeltin was infamously *floored* by a [Randall's](https://www.houston |
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|publicmedia.org/articles/shows/houston- |
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|matters/2020/02/21/361467/boris-yelstins-1989-visit-to-a-houston- |
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|grocery-store-is-now-an-opera/) in Clear Lake, Texas when he was |
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|visiting JSC. Randall's isn't even a good grocery store and it blew |
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|his mind. |
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|u/Canadian_dalek - 1 month |
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|To be clear, it wasn't the *amount* of food that amazed him - most |
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|markets of that size in the USSR were properly stocked at that |
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|point - it was the sheer variety of different meats, fruits, even |
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|spices, that were available to the common man |
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|u/HidaldoTresTorres - 1 month |
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|Without the militaries, the Stalin's Red Army wouldn't have stopped |
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|long enough to listen, and the promise of mutually assured |
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|destruction is what kept them still. No one solution is enough, it |
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|was the convergence of many strategies that has stabilized the world |
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|order for the last 80 years. Unfortunately, most of the world has |
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|lost sight of that careful balance, and now we're on the precipice |
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|of great power conflict. |
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|u/All_Work_All_Play - 1 month |
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|This is an important point. You only ever notice that the other |
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|guys are eating better than you (and driving better cars and |
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|having better homes) of you actually see that happen and you're |
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|not going to do so during active conflict. |
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|u/Earth_Normal - 1 month |
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|Kill em with kindness. Show the people Putin is full of shit. Erode |
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|support for Russia from within. Make Ukrainian occupied Russia easier |
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|to hold. It’s a very good moral and practical strategy. |
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|u/N0kiaoff - 1 month |
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|If done right, Ukraine could enable a democratic russia. Yes, its |
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|optimistic, but we are already in a very weird timeline. I would not |
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|be surprised if ukraine works with russian-anti-putin groups in |
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|russia. Even if its not right now in kurks. It weakens putins regime |
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|and with coherent planning, infiltration groups as well as "free |
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|russians" could be active behind russians lines right now. |
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|u/AncientGrapefruit619 - 1 month |
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|Hearts and minds |
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|u/xXXNightEagleXXx - 1 month |
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|Probably Putin will have to kill them so nobody can testify these events |
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|u/socialistrob - 1 month |
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|Russia won't intentionally target them but they also won't |
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|intentionally avoid civilians either. If shelling a few small towns |
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|that no one has heard of means Putin can hold power a little longer |
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|then he absolutely will do it. The Kremlin delights in Ukrainian |
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|suffering and they are completely ambivalent about Russian suffering. |
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|u/Mhdamas - 1 month |
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|Damn they are really going the whole way. Much respect its not easy to |
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|have an army with such discipline. |
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|u/brezhnervous - 1 month |
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|Especially after over 2yrs of atrocities committed against your |
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|nation, like raping 4yos in front of their parents, cutting their |
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|throats then murdering the whole family. Plus the torture basements |
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|designed specifically for children |
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|u/XeniakissXoxo - 1 month |
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|Humanitarian aid from Ukrainians to Kursk Oblast definitely a plot twist |
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|in the world's biggest dramaa |
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|u/Professional-End2722 - 1 month |
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|I would expect nothing less. Bravo Ukraine. Keep going, be sensible, |
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|but keep the boot on Putin’s neck as much as you can. But take care of |
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|civilians when and where you can. I wouldn’t put it past Putin to |
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|murder 100s of his own and try to blame Kyiv. |
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|u/PloppyTheSpaceship - 1 month |
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|Fantastic. I see they're planning evacuation corridors too. Presumably |
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|they won't shoot at and kill the civilians using them, as Russia did. |
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|u/brickyardjimmy - 1 month |
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|Someone let Hamas know that *this* is how you fight injustice in a way |
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|that helps your cause internationally. You have to be *better* than the |
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|people by whom you feel aggrieved. |
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|u/Gaahwhatsmypassword - 1 month |
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|In fairness, this strategy doesn't always work (ie. Tibet and many |
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|other nations that haven't developed enough to provide much to the |
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|world stage (though often due to remnants of colonialism)). But |
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|Ukraine is getting pretty pro at spinning a narrative and putting |
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|their money (and lives) where their mouth is and capitalizing on the |
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|value they bring to the world. Major props to their maturity and risk |
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|taking. |
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|u/brickyardjimmy - 1 month |
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|That last part is what I mean. It's not an act. It's them modelling |
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|the universe they want to live in and contribute to. Neither hamas |
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|nor the current leadership in Israel seem to understand this |
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|principle. Neither seem to care about the human beings involved. |
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|u/9-FcNrKZJLfvd8X6YVt7 - 1 month |
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|Only they don't care about fighting injustice. They care about |
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|murdering Jews. |
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|u/All_Work_All_Play - 1 month |
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|They also don't care about their own people. |
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|u/DrSoldat - 1 month |
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|Hamas has absolutely no interest in being 'better'. Their lone and |
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|only goal is the extermination of Israel and eradication of every Jew |
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|on the planet. Don't take my word for it of course, they'll tell you |
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|so themselves. The only 'injustice' Hamas care about is that Jews are |
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|allowed to exist. |
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|u/brickyardjimmy - 1 month |
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|I think you're missing the slightly sarcastic tone in my voice. Of |
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|course they aren't interested. But, to be fair, neither is the |
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|current leadership of Israel. They also are very interested in a |
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|form of eradication. |
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|u/DiscipleOfBlasphemy - 1 month |
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|Ukraine understands, win the hearts of the people to win the war. |
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|u/TheStaffmaster - 1 month |
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|Because that's what heroes do. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https% |
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|u/hkohne - 1 month |
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|I knew that pic was going to make an appearance |
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|u/haovui - 1 month |
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|That line remind me about Himmel in Frieren manga |
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|u/ThatsSussySus - 1 month |
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|Lol that's maybe the most clever way Ukraine has disrespected Putin. Lol |
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|what a move. And a nice gesture too. Russian civilians at the end of |
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|the day are civilians. |
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|u/TheStaffmaster - 1 month |
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|You know that "Glory" that everyone says Ukraine should get? #THIS IS |
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|HOW YOU EARN IT |
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|u/Blochamolesauce - 1 month |
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|I think they need to go full “allies at the end of euro campaign” and |
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|show the occupied populace what Russia is doing to Ukraine. Destroyed |
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|Hospitals, schools, homes, families, all the damage to civilian |
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|infrastructure. They sure as shit ain’t getting the picture from Moscow, |
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|show them the unedited truth about Putler. |
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|u/petty_brief - 1 month |
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|They are technically obligated to do this, but nonetheless, this is what |
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|real good guys look like. They don't rape and pillage like Russia does. |
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|u/DreamLunatik - 1 month |
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|I was hoping they would do something like this. For one it’s just the |
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|right thing to do, and two it’s great counter narrative to the Russian |
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|propaganda |
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|u/Titan-uranus - 1 month |
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|I'd love to hear what China or North Korea think on the matter. Please |
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|twist it so providing humanitarian aid is a bad thing |
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|u/Whirrlwinnd - 1 month |
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|This is what liberation looks like. |
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|u/SpookyRamblr - 1 month |
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|ngl, thats a genius move... gets population behind you and shows you |
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|have good logistics |
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|u/xT1TANx - 1 month |
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|came here to say this. absolutely genius |
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|u/mtgdrummer13 - 1 month |
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|This is great for public perception of what’s actually going on. |
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|u/Fritzoidfigaro - 1 month |
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|The reality of what is happening is the best way Ukraine can distance |
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|itself from Russia. Look at the videos and images. The video of the |
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|destroyed Russian column where civilians are standing in their yard |
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|looking at destroyed Russian military while their houses are all intact. |
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|Compare that to images of Ukrainian villages that are reduced to rubble. |
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|Of course the poor Russian that posted the video is in prison now. |
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|Slava Ukraini |
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|u/Unhappy-Ended - 1 month |
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|Go figure. You have two types of leaders. 1. Rules at the expense of |
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|taking from others. 2. Leads at the expense of providing to others. |
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|Russia invades Ukraine to take from its people. Ukraine invades Russia |
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|to give it back. |
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|u/zyzzogeton - 1 month |
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|Annex it. All's fair in love and War, and Putin brought the war. |
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|u/yahboioioioi - 1 month |
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|If Ukraine annexes Kursk, does that mean that RU can’t deploy conscripts |
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|there under Russian law? |
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|u/Suspicious_Writer - 1 month |
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|Laws don't mean shit in russia xd |
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|u/Alikont - 1 month |
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|This is not really true. Russia operates by laws, it's just |
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|kafkaesque maze of buerocracy where state has infinitely more |
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|resources to wear you down. |
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|u/Suspicious_Writer - 1 month |
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|The funny thing is both of the statements are true which is why |
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|living in russia is frustrating. Russia does indeed operate by |
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|laws, bureaucracy and stuff. However when needed laws can be |
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|avoided, bent, forgotten, misused, applied to the strictest |
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|standards possible. Whatever the situation requires. The issue is |
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|that that when needed card is played by those in power. |
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|u/Alikont - 1 month |
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|The strictness of Russian law is balanced by its nonmandatory |
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|nature |
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|u/_zenith - 1 month |
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|For the lowest citizen, yes more or less. But for people the |
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|government is specifically interested in, they are doing to do |
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|whatever they feel is most effective with zero regard to the law. |
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|u/Alikont - 1 month |
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|Eh, no. They will pull out some bullshit law or bend the |
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|definitions enough to cause trouble. Russians even have a |
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|saying like "The strictness of Russian law is balanced by their |
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|nonmandatory nature", as "everyone is breaking some laws, but |
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|it's enforced only sometimes". |
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|u/_zenith - 1 month |
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|So, how would this account for the assassination of Prigozhin, |
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|for an example? … not that I particularly care bout his fate, |
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|as he was scum, but it’s still an interesting case study, no? |
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|Makes a deal, appears to be all official, things seem okay, |
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|then he gets blown out of the sky, and they say it’s because |
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|the passengers in that plane set off a hand grenade in the |
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|cabin. I mean really, anyone who believes that is a total |
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|moron lol. |
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|u/Alikont - 1 month |
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|From Russian point of view almost entire front is inside Russia. They |
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|annexed 4 Ukrainian provinces (and they didn't even fully occupy |
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|them). But one problem is using conscripts by law (which they can do |
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|since 2022), and another is to bear political reprecursions of dying |
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|conscripts. Currently most russians don't care about russian soldiers |
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|because most of them are volunteers from poor regions for money. But |
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|conscripts is another story. |
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|What? No shootings in the streets, soldier gang rapes, looting or |
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|burning of houses? Thats not how the Russians do an invasion! People |
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|are going to be confused... |
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|u/SuccessionWarFan - 1 month |
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|That’s noble- and also very, very smart. |
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|u/letsridetheworld - 1 month |
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|While Russia is relocating those who fled to a region in Ukraine where |
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|war is still going lol You can’t make this up. Russia is insane. |
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|u/Titan-uranus - 1 month |
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|Double whammy if Ukraine offers them sanctuary lol |
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|u/macphile - 1 month |
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|Tell me your 3-day invasion is going poorly without telling me your |
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|3-day invasion is going poorly. It's now been over 900 days, and you've |
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|not only not taken Kyiv, Ukraine is taking *you*. Something-something |
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|"in soviet Russia, invasion invades you"...I don't know. I'm enjoying |
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|this, though. In a sense. |
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|u/gracklewolf - 1 month |
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|It would be so amusing and restore my faith in human nature if somehow |
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|Ukraine ended up occupying and subsuming Russia. This never even |
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|occurred to me until now. |
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|u/MadACR - 1 month |
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|If they had the man power for it, they could. But for now Ukrain will |
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|probably push for a buffer zone instead. |
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|u/krozarEQ - 1 month |
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|Meanwhile Russians looting the homes of evacuated Russians. |
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|https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1823003072177553458 |
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|u/kalosaur - 1 month |
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|u/elderly_millenial - 1 month |
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|> Russian ruler Vladimir Putin called the situation a “provocation” |
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|Yeah, Ukrainians were provoked into invading your fascist ass |
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|u/russia-is-wrlds-enmy - 1 month |
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|What a huge difference between Ukrainian army and Russian army |
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|u/OttawaTGirl - 1 month |
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|Hearts and minds. It grossly erodes Putins narrative and makes Russian |
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|troops consider surrendering. |
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|u/Known_Ad_7256 - 1 month |
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|Ok Putin clearly has never played civ - you left the capital undefended! |
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|u/thatsideal - 1 month |
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|Kill them with kindness, love it |
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|u/2Bedo - 1 month |
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|I'm reminded of the Ukrainian comments at the very start of the (recent) |
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|Russian invasion, "We've got your boys here, you can come pick them |
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|up..." This after capturing a large number of Russian soldiers during an |
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|offensive. I knew then Zelenski was a class act. |
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|u/VoughtHunter - 1 month |
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|Meanwhile THE Russian military doesn’t even have water |
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|u/scottishdrunkard - 1 month |
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|Russia Invades Ukraine: Shoots civilians, bombs houses, steals toilets. |
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|Ukraine Invades Russia: Sends humanitarian aid, and leaves Yelp reviews |
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|for local businesses. |
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|u/Titan-uranus - 1 month |
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|I have absolutely zero definition of the word, just going off context |
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|clues, is Ukraine a giga Chad? (God I sound like a boomer) |
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|u/Hayes4prez - 1 month |
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|Ukraine distributes humanitarian aid. Russia bombs a children’s |
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|hospital. |
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|u/maybesaydie - 1 month |
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|And steals traumatized children. |
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|u/dcflatline - 1 month |
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|This is the army of the gentlemen |
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|u/betterwithsambal - 1 month |
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|When an invading force takes better care of the occupied civilian |
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|population than their own defenders. |
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|u/tomassino - 1 month |
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|A slap in the face of the Russian government |
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|u/drunkbelgianwolf - 1 month |
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|Just a flex to show the population there that they would be better of in |
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|ukrania then in russia. And another insult to poetin that can't even |
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|supply his troops with the things they need. Ukrania is fighting a |
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|current day war. Russia is still in world war 2 mode. |
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|u/Traditional_Golf_221 - 1 month |
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|At this point, the West needs to aid Ukraine until they take Moscow. |
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|Let's not repeat the same mistake of WWII. Need to go all the way to the |
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|Kremlin and fully occupy Russia. A Japanese style occupation with |
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|permanent NATO and Ukranian bases in Russia. |
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|u/Kingofcheeses - 1 month |
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|*Churchill approves this message* |
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|u/steeltowndude - 1 month |
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|Not sure about Churchill but Patton advocated for an invasion of |
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|Russia at the end of WWII to force the communists out of Eastern |
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|Europe. It's one of those muddy situations where we can look back |
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|and say he was, indeed, absolutely right, but politically/socially, |
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|that shit would have never flown, and we can very easily see why. |
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|Absolutely no one would have been on board with that. Interesting to |
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|think how that would have went, though. The irony is, we got |
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|involved in Korea shortly thereafter so what we could uh... fight |
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|the spread of communism. |
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|u/Kingofcheeses - 1 month |
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|[Churchill absolutely supported invading the Soviet Union in |
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|1945](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable) But |
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|you're right, there's no way it would have been popular or even |
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|possible without the Americans. |
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|u/steeltowndude - 1 month |
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|Interesting, didn’t know Churchill also supported it. When I |
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|think about it, I imagine most leaders recognized the threat |
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|posed by the USSR, but simply couldn’t afford it, financially, |
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|socially, or politically. I said in another comment below that |
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|even with hindsight I can’t even imagine which was the better |
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|choice. I mean, sure we had the Cold War, but we also went to |
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|the moon and didn’t launch a full scale invasion of the USSR |
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|losing probably hundreds of thousands of young lives in the |
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|process. |
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|u/maybesaydie - 1 month |
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|Churchill lost the 1945 election because he kept blathering on |
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|about invading the Soviets and staying on a war footing. He |
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|looked pretty stupid doing it too. *Forget that alliance |
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|with which we won the war! Suffer more privations!* Nobody |
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|wanted that. |
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|u/Proud_Ad_4725 - 1 month |
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|Also the Levant Crisis happening while still at war with |
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|Japan, we should've either waited for the 3rd nuke or just |
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|drive in on Centurions |
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|u/maybesaydie - 1 month |
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|Who are you saying we should have nuked? |
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|u/Sensitive_Yellow_121 - 1 month |
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|If I remember correctly, Churchill supported hanging 50,000 |
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|nazis. |
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|u/ajockmacabre - 1 month |
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|Unless you're German, we weren't at war with Russia in WWII. |
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|u/DippyBird - 1 month |
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|Or Finnish or Polish or the many other countries Russia invaded per |
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|the USSR/Nazi Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. |
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|u/ClassifiedName - 1 month |
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|Very true, but none other than Germany made a march towards |
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|Moscow. They approached and turned away. |
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|u/Defiant-Peace-493 - 1 month |
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|The option of continuing east once the Western allies met up with |
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|the Soviet front was considered. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O |
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|peration\_Unthinkable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthi |
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|nkable) |
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|u/Falsus - 1 month |
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|Tell that to the Finnish or Poles lmao. |
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|u/steeltowndude - 1 month |
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|So uhhh.. who exactly was gonna support that among the allied |
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|powers? And I don't mean generals, politicians, etc., but normal |
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|citizens and soldiers that already spent years fighting in Europe |
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|and the Pacitic? Of course we can say it was a mistake but there's |
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|no way *anybody* would have supported that. It was a lose-lose |
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|situation at the time and we only know better with the benefit of |
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|hindsight. Even with hindsight, unless we nuked Moscow (and that's |
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|an entirely separate discussion), I struggle with determining what |
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|the better option was. |
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|u/GasolinePizza - 1 month |
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|You're absolutely right that had Operation Unthinkable been |
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|executed that the vast majority in western Europe/the UK, and |
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|probably the US too would have demanded the blood of every |
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|politician involved. Every ounce of will to fight had been |
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|burned by the end. It would have taken another war for survival |
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|to get any more from the populations. I think what the |
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|parent commenter meant was more along the lines of "I wish we |
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|did XYZ", rather than literally "the correct decision was to do |
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|XYZ". I don't necessarily agree myself (even if only because I |
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|think that if the west were to try to go in and un-fuck the |
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|Soviet inner-sphere, it was during/after the collapse of the |
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|USSR in the 90s) but I think I kind of get what the dude above |
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|means. (Although also, the west declaring war on the USSR at |
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|that time would have almost certainly lent perfectly into the |
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|existing (true) anti-nazi-fight-for-survival propaganda that may |
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|have possibly galvanized Russians (or their conquered vassal |
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|states at that point, more realistically) into another "glorious |
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|war for survival") |
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|u/Alikont - 1 month |
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|In reality Ukraine _still_ is denied ability to use ATACMS and Storm |
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|Shadows on targets inside Russia. Because Jake Sullivan is more |
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|afraid of Russia losing than Russia winning. |
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|u/HolochainCitizen - 1 month |
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|What WWII mistake are you referring to? Soviets were (in the end) on |
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|the side of the allies that defeated Germany. Do you think the allies |
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|should have immediately invaded Soviet Russia afterward? |
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|u/TheHorriBad - 1 month |
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|[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1es6v45/comment/li3wtvg |
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|name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Yes, actually. |
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|They do think that. |
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|u/ElenaKoslowski - 1 month |
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|In hindsight it should have been done as it was planed. Would have |
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|avoided a lot of suffering in the long term. |
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|u/dj-nek0 - 1 month |
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|This assumes the USSR wouldn’t have been replaced by something |
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|worse. |
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|u/Titan-uranus - 1 month |
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|Could have gotten worse, you're right, or they could have |
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|ended up like Germany and Japan. The world may never know |
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|u/Unlucky-Jello-5660 - 1 month |
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|It was called operation unthinkable. There were serious concerns |
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|that Russian aggression wouldn't end with ww2 and would become an |
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|expansionist problem and occupy significant chunks of Europe. |
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|u/COLLIESEBEK - 1 month |
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|I mean the assessment wasn’t exactly wrong, the Soviets did |
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|exactly that. |
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|u/Unlucky-Jello-5660 - 1 month |
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|Oh it wasn't, but after years of fighting there was very little |
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|desire for another protracted battle. If the initial attack |
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|failed to dissuade Russia, total war would have been a meat |
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|grinder. For reference at the time the forces looked like this |
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|Allies Infantry divisions 80 Armored divisions 23 Tactical |
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|aircraft 6,048 Strategic aircraft 2,750 Soviets Infantry |
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|divisions 228 Armored divisions 36 Tactical aircraft 11,802 |
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|Strategic aircraft 960 |
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|u/COLLIESEBEK - 1 month |
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|Oh agree with you there, both sides were exhausted. Don’t even |
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|know how operation unthinkable would’ve have turned out. |
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|Soviets had the manpower advantage but their logistics were at |
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|their limit. Allies had the advantage in air and Navel power |
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|and also well nukes but there were only a handful. Needless to |
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|say it would be another bloodbath. |
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|u/Mornar - 1 month |
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|Taking Moscow is probably not possible, realistically. Bringing some |
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|long range weaponry within range of Moscow on the other hand.... |
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|u/Bright_Cod_376 - 1 month |
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|Speaking of long range weapons, what the west needs to do is lift |
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|all range restrictions on the Ukrainian military and allow them to |
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|actually bring the war to Russia |
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|u/Hones95 - 1 month |
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|Ukraine has taken lessons from history. When invading Russia, Nazi |
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|Germany was discriminating against all eastern Europeans as they saw |
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|them as below them - name your abuse and mistreatment. These were |
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|countries and people that hated Russia, Germany could use them to create |
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|supply lines and even assist against Russia etc. Instead, infighting, |
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|sabotage etc (becoming encircled at Stalingrad). Ukraine turned Russians |
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|against Putin with kindness. Creating a new frontline but also causing |
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|ripples across Russia for civilians hearing about this. |
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|u/Raspberries-Are-Evil - 1 month |
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|Unlike the Russians that raped and murdered civilians and still haven't |
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|been brought to justice. |
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|u/doompwnr - 1 month |
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|Russia the one country so fucking miserable even invaders feel bad |
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|enough to provide humanitarian aid to its people |
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|u/9-FcNrKZJLfvd8X6YVt7 - 1 month |
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|The aid ought to be packed in blue and gold and come with pictures of |
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|prominent Ukrainians and small leaflets that detail Russian war crimes |
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|in Ukraine. |
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|u/Ok_Advertising_1026 - 1 month |
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|THIS is the x factor of the war!!! Keep keepin it real Ukraine!! |
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|u/Elipses_ - 1 month |
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|Plot twist: the people of Kursk are so impressed by Ukraine that they |
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|hold a referendum to join. |
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|u/tbashed64 - 1 month |
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|Now that's how you fight a war! |
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|u/ChirrBirry - 1 month |
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|Time for a referendum on annexation… |
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|u/Gakoknight - 1 month |
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|I wish they did it as a joke, but Russia would use it as propaganda. |
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|u/TwiggyPom - 1 month |
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|Power move. Fuck the Russian government. Hope the civilians recognise |
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|what Ukraine are doing. |
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|u/Gunm3talSeeker - 1 month |
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|I wish I could understand what they're saying. |
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|u/paecmaker - 1 month |
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|And unlike how Russia did it early in the war I expect this to not just |
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|be a one time propaganda thing but continue for as long as it's needed, |
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|u/ArcticCelt - 1 month |
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|Some will probably be very disappointed when they are not annexed. For |
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|anyone smart who think about it, it would be a no brainier, you get out |
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|from under the boots of a dictator and his cronies, access to rebuild |
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|founds once the war is over, a passport accepted around the world, |
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|possibility to eventually become an European citizen (for them and their |
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|decedents) and so on and on... The only real downside is that now you |
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|neighbor would be Russia. |
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|u/TheBraveGallade - 1 month |
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|I feel like anyone willing, if going back to pre 2014 borders, is |
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|welcome to move to crimea at least |
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|u/x3bla - 1 month |
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|Reminds me of "how a realist hero rebuilt a kingdom" where the hero |
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|invades the capital of a country after being invaded by them, occupied |
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|their capital, and showed them what life without oppression is like |
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|Then when the other country regains their capital, the people looked |
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|even more sad and afraid of the oppression again |
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|u/alright_rocko - 1 month |
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|Russia could be the first country to be conquered with kindness |
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|u/wordswillneverhurtme - 1 month |
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|This is probably good for the military too. The less angry locals, the |
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|less sabotage there’ll be. |
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|u/gamedreamer21 - 1 month |
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|Unlike Russia, Ukraine gives a shit about Russians. I just hope, there |
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|will be more and more Russians rebelling against Putin, after Ukraine's |
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|humanitarian aid. |
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|u/Select-Owl-8322 - 1 month |
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|Hearts & minds! |
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|u/Praxistor - 1 month |
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|Ukraine is a total badass |
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|u/Devils_Advocate-69 - 1 month |
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|Putin can’t manage to get water to his soldiers |
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|u/willowgardener - 1 month |
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|Oh, brilliant. They're creating the impetus for homegrown insurgent |
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|groups inside Russia. That's gonna force Putin to keep troops in Kursk |
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|even after the Ukrainian regulars pull out. What a great strategy! If |
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|they do this in multiple border regions, it'll make it even harder for |
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|Russia to supply their army because they'll have to deal with partizans |
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|disrupting the supply lines! Ukraine really is fighting a next |
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|generation war while Russia is stuck in 1940. |
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|u/hkohne - 1 month |
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|Sounds like Hunger Games |
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|u/roj2323 - 1 month |
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|I think most people would agree that they don't hate Russians on an |
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|individual level, it's the Russian Leadership and military that the |
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|world collectively despises. It cost nothing to treat people with |
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|humanity. Russia's leadership and military is being taught that lesson |
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|one civilian at a time. At some point they will learn or they will cease |
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|to exist. |
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|u/9-FcNrKZJLfvd8X6YVt7 - 1 month |
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|> At some point they will learn or they will cease to exist. Hundreds |
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|of years, revolutions, and regime changes and not ever did an |
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|individual's personal well being or even their life count for a nickel |
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|in Russia. |
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|u/CorporateAccounting - 1 month |
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|This is the way. Show enough people how much they have been lied to by |
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|Putin and his gang of thieves, and maybe one day they will finally be |
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|inspired to take out the trash. |
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|u/FeelingPixely - 1 month |
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|That's how you make allies, treat them kind and they will not rise |
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|against you. |
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|u/Misole - 1 month |
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|It's a Special Humanitarian Operation. |
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|u/HoppokoHappokoGhost - 1 month |
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|Zelensky’s plan is coming into place |
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|u/HerrShimmler - 1 month |
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|The joke of the day is "Ukraine has reached the 1691 borders" :D |
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|u/carleeto - 1 month |
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|At this rate, Ukraine will take over Russia! Slava Ukraini! |
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|u/Boburism - 1 month |
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|Thank God Ukraine is there to liberate Russian people of their misery, |
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|caused only by their drunken dictator led on by far fetched dreams of |
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|restoring the Soviet Union... |
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|u/h2ohow - 1 month |
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|By contrast, Ukrainian civilians are gunned down waiting in bread lines |
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|by Russian invaders. |
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|u/Moist_Albatross_5434 - 1 month |
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|US should just throw a shit ton of money into humanitarian aid in Kursk. |
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|By them all toilets, fancy steak dinners, Porsches, Blue Jeans, nice TVs |
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|to watch Western media. Good opportunity here to bring a chunk of Russia |
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|into the Western world. |
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|u/Ribbitmoment - 1 month |
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|I’m ngl, if I had to choose any country I’d want Ukraine to invade us - |
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|that shit is wholesome |
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|u/KHRAZKIX - 1 month |
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|Somebody’s been watching house of the dragon |
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|u/Informal_Lack_9348 - 1 month |
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|That’s some real gangster shit |
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|u/Bergismusicofficial - 1 month |
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|Amidst all the chaos, Ukrainians find the decency to help civilians |
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|there. This makes me feel like humanity can have kindness. |
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|u/MaidenlessRube - 1 month |
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|If ukraine learned anything from this whole thing, it's that you can |
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|easily buy russian hearts and minds with washing machines and toilets. |
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|u/No_Routine_3706 - 1 month |
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|Hearts and minds may actually work this time |
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|u/chumgorthemerciless - 1 month |
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|Boom. Hearts and minds right there, beautiful. |
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|u/ooouroboros - 1 month |
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|smart |
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|u/Mission_Cloud4286 - 1 month |
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|God, to think of the people that are still there, says a lot |
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|u/Annual_Birthday_9166 - 1 month |
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|Russia please end the war and sucede Kursk to Ukraine to stop innocent |
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|people from dying! |
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|u/Chance-Corner3670 - 1 month |
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|Me thinks Ukraine went without, so they could capture some hearts and |
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|minds. |
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|u/geekstone - 1 month |
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|Ukraine is going to win the hearts and minds of the people to have a new |
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|Russian Revolution. |
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|u/bankofgreed - 1 month |
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|Ukraines invaded your land and gives everyone a free toilet and washif |
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|machine |
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|u/Ruiner_Of_Things - 1 month |
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|Hope they distribute Ukrainian passports next. |
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|u/Bright_Cod_376 - 1 month |
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|Not yet, first they need to hold an anexation referendum since Russia |
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|seems to want everyone to respect those. |
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|u/smydiehard99 - 1 month |
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|take some notes russian administration on how to treat people |
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|u/Cynical-Wanderer - 1 month |
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|This is how you win the public relations side of the war. Invade Russia |
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|and then decently treat the citizens of the occupied territory. Unlike |
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|what Russia has done in Ukraine. |
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|u/TALENTEDEGGPLANT2222 - 1 month |
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|Damn so Russia was harming it's own russians Who knew. |
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|u/Budderlips-revival23 - 1 month |
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|The only way Ukraine will be able to depose the fascist dick tater is to |
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|continue all the way to Moscow. |
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|u/darkrood - 1 month |
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|Trust me, if Ukraine get enough Russian lands, Putin would just leave |
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|all the basic human need issues to Ukraine while blaming them for |
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|humanitarian abuse if Ukraine even slightly fail to help some people in |
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|occupied region |
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|u/WangMangDonkeyChain - 1 month |
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|love to see it! |
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|u/Square-Physics-3731 - 1 month |
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|I mean I don’t want to sound bleak but could Ukraine be trying to |
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|compensate for lost land and get the Russians there on their side so |
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|that putin just doesn’t bomb the place with his civilians(unless he does |
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|then that’s unfortunate). |
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|u/Black_Moons - 1 month |
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|>so that putin just doesn’t bomb the place with his civilians(unless |
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|he does then that’s unfortunate). I mean, it wouldn't be the first |
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|time Putin intentionally bombed Russian civilians. It would just be |
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|the first time there was actually any enemies near the civilians. |
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|u/Ipracticemagic - 1 month |
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|This article helped me find out Ukrainian news websites are banned in |
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|Kazakhstan. Huh 😒 |
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|u/No_Leg_9061 - 1 month |
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|This is almost as credible as Hitler's essays on Jews back in 1934. |
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|u/No_Leg_9061 - 1 month |
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|I'm amazed of seeing how incredibly stupid and brainwashed the average |
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|Joe is newadays. Extremely binary and biased yet believing everything he |
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|has been fed from their MSM is true... |
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|u/BigReaderBadGrades - 1 month |
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|Sorry if I'm hitting a paranoid-sounding bell, but with Biden getting |
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|virtually no coverage these past few days, to what extent do you think |
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|he's involved with aiding these maneuvers? Foreign affairs has always |
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|been his sandbox, and I kinda suspected he'd spend his last 100 days on |
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|office hunkered down and working those global levers. |
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