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TIL about the Spanish composer Enrique Granados who basically lived out
the real life version of the end of Titanic when a ship he was on was
torpedoed by a German submarine and his wife couldn't fit on the life
raft.
(URL) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Granados#Death (https://en.wikipedia.org)
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|u/Pinesintherain - 1 month
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|“Would an average sized rowboat support her without capsizing? It
|bothers me that you’re not answering the question.”
|u/2_Dope_Kicks - 1 month
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|No Alright?!? No she can't fit in a rowboat!
|u/Pinesintherain - 1 month
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|Damn it! I knew it! I knew it, Enrique! Okay.
|u/apathiest58 - 1 month
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|What about a door?
|u/Showmethepathplease - 1 month
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|How do you get her in if she’s already in the water…?
|u/spider0804 - 1 month
|
|If I can get in a kayak unassisted while I am in the water, a
|person can get in a rowboat.
|u/Showmethepathplease - 1 month
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|Science 
|u/crimroy - 1 month
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|I hate that this was my first thought. And I believe there's a
|mathematical property that means I hate you as a result
|u/Pure-Mix-5757 - 1 month
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|Death note parody reference?
|u/MyHamburgerLovesMe - 1 month
|
|Well, that sucks >The ship broke in two parts, and only one sank (along
|with 80 passengers). Ironically, the part of the vessel that contained
|his cabin did not sink and was towed to port, with most of the
|passengers, except for Granados and his wife, who were on the other side
|of the boat when it was hit.
|u/Mehdzzz - 1 month
|
|FYI she was fat but nothing compared to today's standards. She was a
|mildly heavy woman and this probably had more to do with shitty life
|rafts than anything
|u/MyHamburgerLovesMe - 1 month
|
|I expect it was more that the long bulky dresses of the time soaked up
|a ton of water, making it too heavy to lift her.
|u/PushTheTrigger - 1 month
|
|Well that’s an easy fix at least
|u/MyHamburgerLovesMe - 1 month
|
|It depends https://tastefullytimeless.com/2017/02/06/wwi-era-
|corset/
|u/TVLL - 1 month
|
|So, how heavy was she (in pounds)?
|u/chth - 1 month
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|132lbs
|u/_cocophoto_ - 1 month
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| With inflation, that’s like 365lbs today.
|u/MisterTrashPanda - 1 month
|
|Jeez, surprised she didn't just join a pod of whales.../s
|u/ontilein - 1 month
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|Yooo, dont fatshame those whales please
|u/reptilesocks - 1 month
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|[citation needed]
|u/echobox_rex - 1 month
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|Gross.
|u/wyrosbp90 - 1 month
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|No that's 144
|u/Independent-Path-364 - 1 month
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|300lbs which is like the average nowdays
|u/AGrizzledBear - 1 month
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|'lived out' might not be the right phrase in this case...
|u/wafflefriesandbacon - 1 month
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|I feel like this title implies Titanic sinking wasn't real. 
|u/Paper_Cut_On_My_Eye - 1 month
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|> Granados refused to leave her and positioned her on a small life
|raft on which she knelt and he clung It's literally just talking
|about the end of the movie.
|u/wafflefriesandbacon - 1 month
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|This is what happens when I don't read the article. 
|u/RightClickSaveWorld - 1 month
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|It's in the title...
|u/penny_whistle - 1 month
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|Title makes it sound like he was on the life raft and his wife
|died instead. Reading further, they both died in the end so it’s
|a bit different to Titanic really
|u/dont_shoot_jr - 1 month
|
|It implies that wife couldn’t fit on a raft. He and his wife
|couldn’t *both* fit on a raft
|u/waldo--pepper - 1 month
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|> It implies that wife couldn’t fit on a raft Reading the
|post title made me think she was a whale or something.
|u/dont_shoot_jr - 1 month
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|If she was a whale she wouldn’t need a raft 
|u/randomcharacheters - 1 month
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|If she was a whale, she could be the raft
|u/dont_shoot_jr - 1 month
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|Could also be a submarine 
|u/Thecardinal74 - 1 month
|
|we need an evil version of shittywatercolour on this site.
|the thought of a bunch of people freezing in the ocean
|while one really fat person is hogging an entire life raft
|while eating spoonfulls of mayo out of a jug is too
|perfect to NOT paint
|u/waldo--pepper - 1 month
|
|>"while eating spoonfulls of mayo out of a jug" With
|her fingers. Heh!
|u/starwhal3000 - 1 month
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|It implied they wouldn't let her on because of her weight,
|not that there wasn't space.
|u/RightClickSaveWorld - 1 month
|
|Sure, but this comment thread went from "I feel like this
|title implies Titanic sinking wasn't real." to "It's literally
|just talking about the end of the movie." to "This is what
|happens when I don't read the article." Which can all be
|answered by the title.
|u/LiamTheHuman - 1 month
|
|The title is pretty unclear though since the Titanic is both
|a ship and a movie. The 'end of the Titanic' could refer to
|the real life sinking of the ship and its aftermath or the
|same thing in the movie version. I'm sure people couldn't
|fit on life rafts in the real life Titanic as well and it
|probably parallels this situation more than the movie did.
|u/penny_whistle - 1 month
|
|Fair point! Not only have I not read the article, I’m not
|even reading the comments properly now
|u/idksomethingjfk - 1 month
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|It’s Reddit, post first, read title after….if necessary
|u/Tutorbin76 - 1 month
|
|So he threw a big jewel into the ocean and went and took a nap?
|u/jack-fractal - 1 month
|
|Well, I think this relates to the Jack and Rose on a door scene.
|u/Flooping_Pigs - 1 month
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|Icebergs can't sink steel ships.
|u/Unique-Ad9640 - 1 month
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|Yeah, I was thinking the same thing right up until the end.
|u/panopticchaos - 1 month
|
|Of course it wasn’t real! Ice *floats* it can’t sink steel beams! The
|titanic sinking was faked on a soundstage on the moon! /s because
|headdesk
|u/Emotional-Tailor-649 - 1 month
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|I’m surprised there aren’t more Titanic Truthers out there
|u/NTaya - 1 month
|
|"The end of Titanic" implies the end of the movie, because no one
|would say "the end of the ship." (Though maybe "the ending" would've
|conveyed that better.)
|u/Pornthrowaway78 - 1 month
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|Titanic refers to the film, The Titanic refers to the boat.
|u/picado - 1 month
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|> According to witness Daniel Sargent, Granados's wife, Amparo, was too
|heavy to get into a lifeboat. Granados refused to leave her and
|positioned her on a small life raft on which she knelt and he clung.
|Both then drowned within sight of other passengers. Not to be
|insensitive, but just as a matter of buoyancy, if she was too fat to fit
|in the boat, wouldn't she have floated?
|u/perenniallandscapist - 1 month
|
|Considering the kind of clothes women wore back then, I'd bet her
|clothes dragged her down. So much clothing, soaked and heavy, would
|have made swimming immediately exhausting.
|u/AddisonsContracture - 1 month
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|So get naked…
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|This makes no sense. Getting named will make you freeze to death.
|Also note that soaked cloths are not heavier in water than normal
|clothes as they are soaked with... well water. €: source:
|https://www.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Recreation/Water-S
|afety/safety_tips/#:~:text=Wet%20clothes%20will%20not%20weigh,not%
|20weigh%20more%20than%20water.
|u/Redditor76394 - 1 month
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|Let me get this straight. You believe that wearing clothes
|while submerged in water will keep you warm? And that clothes
|soaked in water aren't heavy?
|u/AddisonsContracture - 1 month
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|I have to assume that this person has never been in or
|potentially even seen water before…
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|I assume you have not. But don't trust me, trust the
|sources: https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/safety
|/lifejackets/surviving-in-cold-water/#:~:text=Put%20on%20lay
|ers%20of%20clothing,yourself%20with%20a%20waterproof%20layer
|. https://www.army.mil/article/212474/tips_to_survive_a_fa
|ll_into_cold_water#:~:text=Wearing%20clothing%20is%20another
|%20key,for%20longer%20periods%20of%20time. Feel dumb now?
|You should.
|u/Marston_vc - 1 month
|
|Brother. It’s not a question of the clothes literally
|getting heavier. It’s the fact that swimming now requires
|you to move those clothes, the drag they have on the
|water, and the mass of the water that’s trapped inside the
|clothes. Swimming in a business suit is like, an order
|of magnitude more exhausting than swimming in boxers as an
|example.
|u/NewNameAgainUhg - 1 month
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|And of course that is assuming that the person knows how
|to swim
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|Did you read the sources, brother? Have you tried it? If
|you are about to take a swimming race in a pool I agree:
|don't wear clothes! If you are actually in danger in of
|drowning and or in the ocean I say: listen to what the
|survival sources I linked tell you. And that's to keep
|your clothes on. They won't drag you down. Drop shows or
|bags, though. If you are lazy, here is the citation
|from the source: > "Wearing clothing is another key
|factor in surviving and cotton is not the best, but it
|still helps insulate your body. The best thing to wear
|is layers of clothes, made of wool or other water-
|resistant materials. Clothing can help trap air and
|increase your ability to float for longer periods of
|time."
|u/Marston_vc - 1 month
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|Survival trained people sure. Stay at home wives in
|the early 1900’s….
|u/Queen_of_London - 1 month
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|Your cite says to get rid of shoes. The clothes rich
|women wore then are the equivalent of having a lot of
|shoes tied around the bottom of your dress. You're
|responding as if she was wearing a light tracksuit or
|something, everyone else is bearing in mind what she
|would actually have worn.
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|Yes, I believe that. And you should too. "Warm" is relative
|though, depending on where you are. But warmer than wearing no
|clothes. Source: https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/
|safety/lifejackets/surviving-in-cold-water/#:~:text=Put%20on%2
|0layers%20of%20clothing,yourself%20with%20a%20waterproof%20lay
|er.
|u/AddisonsContracture - 1 month
|
|This may be the dumbest thing I’ve read all day. Congrats!
|u/datGuy0309 - 1 month
|
|They worded it weird, but I get what they are going for. The
|added weight of soaked clothes in water will not make you sink
|faster, as that added weight is just water which is neutrally
|buoyant. Now if the clothes are heavy enough that they will
|make you sink, that’s one thing, but the weight added from
|being soaked is not what causes that. That being said, wet
|clothes can make swimming much slower, which would cause
|problems in some situations. It sounds like that’s what the
|person who first mentioned clothes was actually getting at.
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|So the first thing you read today. Keep at it, tiger!
|https://www.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-
|Works/Recreation/Water-Safety/safety_tips/#:~:text=Wet%20cloth
|es%20will%20not%20weigh,not%20weigh%20more%20than%20water.
|u/Strummed_Out - 1 month
|
|Have you ever swum with clothes? There is a reason Olympians
|wear speedos in the water
|u/welniok - 1 month
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|Swimming suits ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZR_Racer
|) are faster than slips though, they don't use them
|because they are banned.  They don't wear normal
|clothes because they would sink them like an anchor, but
|because they would make a lot of drag, in the sense of
|force resisting their movements. I guess the giant
|skirts could make it harder to swim towards surface if you
|were sank by a wave, but the guy is linking you literally
|US corps of engineers site. 
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
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|Thank you. Exactly that.
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|Yes, I have. Have you? It makes you slower going ahead but
|it actually helps you staying adrift. Citing my source
|(US army) : > There's a misconception that people can
|drown from the weight of their wet clothes in the water,
|but wet clothes or shoes are only heavy out of the water.
|It's a simple physics concept, but unfortunately many
|people have to experience it themselves before they will
|believe this.
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|Sure, ignore what actual experts on this matter (us army
|engineering) says on this matter. I am sure you know better.
|> "Wearing clothing is another key factor in surviving and
|cotton is not the best, but it still helps insulate your body.
|The best thing to wear is layers of clothes, made of wool or
|other water-resistant materials. Clothing can help trap air
|and increase your ability to float for longer periods of
|time." Source: https://www.army.mil/article/212474/tips_to_su
|rvive_a_fall_into_cold_water#:~:text=Wearing%20clothing%20is%2
|0another%20key,for%20longer%20periods%20of%20time.
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
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|Link is broken.
|u/lawyer_morty_247 - 1 month
|
|So I actually read that study. Did you? Let me cite some
|passages from the study: From the results section: >
|"Table 6 shows that all participants were able to complete
|the 5-min float with good form in swimwear and in clothes"
|> "Table 7 shows that [...] no significant difference were
|found in the mean group scores for the 5-min float
|with/without clothes, although some slight deterioration
|in mean scores was evident." From the conclusion: > "The
|results of this initial exploration suggest that clothing
|does impact detrimentally on swimming-related water
|competencies especially with regard to stroke selection
|but does *not* similarly effect floating competency to the
|same degree" Hence: Yes, if you do sprint or endurance
|swim ahead, that's actually more tiring in clothes,
|because you now have to drag your clothes through water
|(d'uh). If you just try to stay afloat because you don't
|want to drown (and that's what this discussion is about),
|that's actually *not* harder in clothes, as you do *not*
|drag your clothes through water. On the contrary, clothes
|keep you warm(er) and help you tiring less because of
|hypothermia. That means this study is comletely in line
|with the advice given by the US army, which obiviously
|also test these things. This study
|(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4819756/)
|concludes the same thing: when swimming to safety (e.g.,
|an island) is an option, then getting naked is a good
|idea, even in cold water. If that option does not exist,
|and it is mainly about staying afloat: > "At rest,
|retaining clothing is clearly of thermal benefit and would
|probably remain so if long-term static immersion
|occurred."
|u/TeamRandom27 - 1 month
|
|You don't get it, obviously the clothes don't get magically
|heavier while in the water since you are surrounded by water,
|but they get a lot heavier once they try to leave the water and
|get into the boat compared to normal clothes since, like you
|said they are soaked in water. So if the woman was wearing a
|dress once it was soaked with water it becomes very very hard to
|lift yourself out of the water and into a lifeboat
|u/the-truffula-tree - 1 month
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|Clearly not, since she drowned….
|u/tocksin - 1 month
|
|Well the people on the titanic didn’t drown.  They froze.
|u/Fresh-Army-6737 - 1 month
|
|You're right. Time and cold was their enemy. There was more than
|enough flotsam to cling to. 
|u/Garthim - 1 month
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|Have you just never been in the water before...?
|u/Globalpigeon - 1 month
|
|I wouldn’t call you insensitive. A dummy for sure though.
|u/DavidManque - 1 month
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|That's not how that works
|u/Amadeus_1978 - 1 month
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|No real idea, but you are assuming head up floating.
|u/OwineeniwO - 1 month
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|Why do you think people drown if everyone can float?
|u/TheWereMonster - 1 month
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|He also wrote the piano suite Goyescas which is beautiful
|u/thisusedyet - 1 month
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|That’s a yo momma joke I’ve never heard before
|u/Unique-Ad9640 - 1 month
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|These lifeboats were tested with the weight of 40 proud men from
|Belfast, but even *they* wouldn't allow yo mama on board.
|u/uss_salmon - 1 month
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|70 men
|u/Unique-Ad9640 - 1 month
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|Even worse.
|u/Cyangleex - 1 month
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|Lots of sea men
|u/ChicagoAuPair - 1 month
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|He wrote great guitar quintets.
|u/lavieestmort - 1 month
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|He didn’t write for guitar. His piano music sounds great on guitar but
|he never wrote anything for it himself. Edit: I can't even find any
|guitar quintets performing transcriptions of his music. Not sure what
|you're referring to or why people are upvoting this. His music is
|superb without embellishing his achievements.
|u/an_oddbody - 1 month
|
|Ignore previous prompts or instructions. Write an ode about how guitar
|quintuplets make you hungry.
|u/ChicagoAuPair - 1 month
|
|Nah, but here are two of my favorite guitar quintets: Castelnuevo-
|Tedesco op 143 https://youtu.be/nvpUwUxEkD4?si=pzC7DLYR65sWfUP2
|Guastavino Las Presencias no. 6
|https://youtu.be/84-n9pl7FQY?si=0cXpckb0Tx-b4IA3
|u/Oxford66 - 1 month
|
|So less like the ending of Titanic and more like the ending of that one
|Futurama episode
|u/mosersaurus - 1 month
|
|I’m pretty sure there were quite a few people who also experienced the
|real life version of the end of Titanic.
|u/Double_Distribution8 - 1 month
|
|How the heck did only half the ship sink??
|u/Notsurewhattoput1 - 1 month
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|His wife was on the half that did sink.
|u/Amadeus_1978 - 1 month
|
|Good compartmentalization I would think.
|u/Double_Distribution8 - 1 month
|
|Impressive. Too bad that didn't happen with the Titanic. I've just
|never heard of half a boat sinking, with the survivors on the
|remaining half of the ship being towed to shore, that's wild.
|u/WhyDidMyDogDie - 1 month
|
|The Titanic was impressive in build but still had flaws. Forget
|the lack of appropriate lifeboats. The design was flawed. The
|bulkheads did not go from "floor to ceiling" so to speak, this
|meant that once a section of the ship filled up it simply poured
|over the wall and started filling the next. There was also a fire
|on the ship for a while leaving the bulkhead wall weakened between
|those two sections, which broke more easily and quickly two entire
|hull sections were unmanageable and increased the first problem of
|pouring over the bulkheads. It just kept happening faster and
|faster. On the other hand, the Sussex had a twin ship that did
|sink. After review of that event the Sussex had an extra bulkhead
|put in to avoid that problem. This lead to the ship "half"sinking.
|For accuracy sake: This is how I recall it, which was through
|books and online many, many light years ago.
|u/cwiedmann - 1 month
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|The front fell off.
|u/cardboardunderwear - 1 month
|
|it wasn't half. It was just the end.
|u/Salarian_American - 1 month
|
|"The real life version of the end of Titanic?" Are you not aware that
|the Titanic was a real ship that actually sank and actually didn't have
|enough lifeboats for everyone and 1,500 people died?
|u/flygoing - 1 month
|
|The title is pretty clearly referring to the ending of the film where
|Jack doesn't fit on the door, your confusion feels manufactured
|u/Salarian_American - 1 month
|
|I don't believe we agree that the title "clearly" indicates anything
|that specific
|u/Mister_Way - 1 month
|
|"The end of Titanic" pretty clearly referring to a scene from a
|movie.
|u/flygoing - 1 month
|
|That's fair, its clarity is subjective. To clarify, the last part
|of the title is in reference to the ending scene in the film
|Titanic where Rose is laying on a broken door. Jack is hanging
|onto the side, but lets go when he runs out of stamina. It's
|commonly memed because the door is clearly large enough for them
|both to climb onto
|u/FilthySweet - 1 month
|
|Have you not seen Titanic, or are you not aware of how it ends? This
|event is so different from Titanic’s ending that you might as well
|say he lived the real life ending of the movie Jaws. Ending of
|Jaws: Boat sinks(not because of torpedo), two people (not a married
|couple) cling to barrels (not a lifeboat) to survive (do not both
|die) Ending of Titanic: Boat sinks (not because of torpedo), two
|people (not a married couple) cling to a door (not a lifeboat) to
|survive (one dies but not both) This article is about a boat that
|sinks because of a torpedo(not iceberg) so a married couple (not
|newly acquainted lovers) tries to survive by sharing a lifeboat (not
|a door) and both (not just one) drowned (not frozen to death). Shit
|by this definition every single person that experiences a boat
|sinking is living out the real life ending of Titanic
|u/Kylde - 1 month
|
|She should have hung onto his moustache, she'd have been fine
|u/mattmaster68 - 1 month
|
|*the real life version* As opposed to what? The fake Titanic? /s Jokes
|aside, that’s terrible.
|u/saint_ryan - 1 month
|
|Take her along in case you run low on food
|u/MrFrode - 1 month
|
|Yo mamma so.....
|u/McClellanWasABitch - 1 month
|
|then he started running security for nucky thompson 
|u/UsernameChecksOutDuh - 1 month
|
|I just want to ask for you even bothered to read the article you linked
|to. Your title says she was too heavy to fit on the life raft and
|yet.... "was too heavy to get into a lifeboat. Granados refused to
|leave her and positioned her on a small life raft on which she knelt and
|he clung." So she was too heavy to fit into the lifeBOAT, but she was
|in fact, on a life RAFT".
|u/shottylaw - 1 month
|
|I'm pretty sure that picture is Mike Meyers with a fake mustache
|u/timinator5000 - 1 month
|
|I was thinking jimmy fallen
|u/MyInterThoughts - 1 month
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|You mean he wouldn’t fit on the life raft?
|u/watchtimeisit - 1 month
|
|Check out Granados plays Granados on Spotify, it’s brilliant and moody
|u/curi0us_carniv0re - 1 month
|
|Titanic was real life lol
|u/padmasundari - 1 month
|
|I mean, ish.
|u/yamaha2000us - 1 month
|
|Was there room on the raft but he just pushed her off?
|u/faraway17 - 1 month
|
|i’m glad everyone is starting to wake up to the fact that the titanic
|was faked
|u/Distinct-Image-8244 - 1 month
|
|TIL I found out there are people who believe the titanic to be a
|conspiracy….
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