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Creation of civil administration in Russia's Kursk Oblast not ruled out,
Zelensky says
(URL) https://kyivindependent.com/creation-of-civil-administration-in-russi... (https://kyivindependent.com)
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|u/Valon129 - 1 month
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|If they troll him with a referendum won at 99% I am going to lose it. I
|don't know how smart or dumb it would be, probably not too smart but
|damn.
|u/hh3k0 - 1 month
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|It’d be fucking funny, though.
|u/wartexmaul - 1 month
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|103% voter turnout
|u/Mrslinkydragon - 1 month
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|Even make it look obviously fake, with caricatures of putin
|casting fake votes/showing the ballet papers to everyone. The
|security has water pistols instead of rifles, the fake putin could
|be stuffing the ballet, and the ballet papers have silly options,
|like "what is your favourite pudding" Obviously let the public
|who turn up it's a bit for the camera and act as if it was a
|serious election. Just make it so over the top it's a comedy
|u/pstric - 1 month
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|> showing the ballet ~~papers~~ to everyone Swan Lake?
|u/Mrslinkydragon - 1 month
|
|Shhhh I have dyslexic :p (Not taking the piss, I am actually
|dyslexic)
|u/Mrslinkydragon - 1 month
|
|The 'voters' could be the dancers. Make it more of a
|pantomime performance! Public: look out Putin is behind
|you! (A mock putin with a large, fake head is trying to
|sneak past) Dancer: о ні він не!
|u/Mrslinkydragon - 1 month
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|I don't know either, I'm just making it up as I go
|along!
|u/himit - 1 month
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|sometimes, disability brings dance.
|u/Mrslinkydragon - 1 month
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|It really does!
|u/The_Cavalier_One - 1 month
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|And bad at spelling by the looks of it.
|u/Mrslinkydragon - 1 month
|
|Dude... you're criticising a dyslexics spelling abilities?
|That's shameful.
|u/Piggywonkle - 1 month
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|The man is a comedian. Do it on April 1. Make it obvious satire and
|biting criticism at the same time.
|u/ArcticCelt - 1 month
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|They should make a referendum on Putin's approval everywhere they end
|up controlling. "Oh welp, looks like Puti got 2%, that's better than
|the 1% he got in the previous town!"
|u/Longjumping_Whole240 - 1 month
|
|Zelensky has been bringing his show "The Servant Of The People" to
|real life, many people havent realised it yet. He turned the world's
|biggest country into a joke 💀
|u/Khaos25 - 1 month
|
|Regardless on how the conflict ends, Zelensky is already in the
|historic books and will be remembered decades from now as someone
|who humiliated a former superpower.
|u/Nanowith - 1 month
|
|This is Russia's Suez Crisis
|u/UCamK - 1 month
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|Russia's Suez Crisis if the Suez Canal was in the English
|Channel
|u/listingpalmtree - 1 month
|
|He really was the right man in the right place at a terrible time
|and deserves to be remembered. I feel like the sheer balls on the
|man in the early days have been eclipsed by his ability to lead
|the nation in war for 2 years and also fight the PR campaign to
|keep this front of mind, in news feeds, and in front of western
|leaders for that long. The financial and military support depends
|so much on that visible pressure and his ability to still be a
|charming, thoughtful politician while likely terrified and
|completely exhausted.
|u/mynamesyow19 - 1 month
|
|And lucky for him he had Biden in office. Biden who has been the
|biggest champion of NATO since at least the 90s, and who has
|openly talked about his hatred and distrust of Putin for the
|past 20 + years.
|u/Khaos25 - 1 month
|
|If it had been that Orange Moron in office, Ukraine would have
|fallen on Day 2. Worse, he might have actually tried to help
|Putin.
|u/Niicks - 1 month
|
|Ukraine better be in the next civ game. "I need ammunition, not a
|ride."
|u/BudgetHistorian7179 - 1 month
|
|And also brought his own country from 40 to 20 million people...
|Imagine if Putin did something similar....
|u/Khaos25 - 1 month
|
|No, that was Putin's doing. Ukraine never asked to be invaded
|and anything that happened in this war was Putin's doing.
|u/Danson_the_47th - 1 month
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|You some kind of russian propagandist, bucko?
|u/Infinaris - 1 month
|
|Not even close and all that was on Putin. Also once the war ends
|expect a rebound because unlike the collapse of the Soviet Union
|in 1991, Ukraine will likely recieve significant investment,
|interest and capital to rebuild, it will be an EU member state
|and NATO member which will likely see not only reconstruction of
|its civilian infrastructure but I can bet you now the Ukrainians
|will negotiate a deal for a US and NATO Naval/Airbase somewhere
|in return for miltary hardware and equipment for Ukraine to
|permenantly make Russia fuck off.
|u/Impossible_Aide_1681 - 1 month
|
|Bringing Ukraine down from 40 million to 20 million is exactly
|what Putin did. Never mind "similar"
|u/jdeo1997 - 1 month
|
|This is why you pay for quality, because if you go for the
|budget option you get dumbasses like this who see a war Putin's
|Russia started, see the cost, and Blame Zelensky for citizens
|leaving or being killed by Russia's war because he refused to
|just let Putin win
|u/84OrcButtholes - 1 month
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|Worth it for the giggle.
|u/BruyceWane - 1 month
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|It's totally worth it.
|u/Buroda - 1 month
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|Like He’s not gonna do it but it would’ve been a bonafide knee
|slapper
|u/Velochipractor - 1 month
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|I honestly think he's bluffing, but Ukraine founding the Kursk People's
|Republic would be the biggest joke in this entire farce (yet).
|u/Foodstamp001 - 1 month
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| But who would be in charge? The People’s Front of Kursk or the Kursk
|People’s Front?
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 1 month
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|The popular people's front of Kursk.
|u/Real-Werner-Herzog - 1 month
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|Splitters!
|u/Admiral-snackbaa - 1 month
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|From now on I want to be known as Loretta
|u/Conjectureisradical - 1 month
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|One pack of Otters noses please
|u/madman1969 - 1 month
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|Wolf nipple chips, get 'em while they're hot !
|u/NewHaven86 - 1 month
|
|Man... I had to introduce my wife (31) to "the life of
|brian," but seeing it in the wild feels so good.
|u/Exotic-District3437 - 1 month
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|Does she like swallows
|u/tasslehof - 1 month
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|African or European?
|u/RepresentativeAd115 - 1 month
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|Albatross!!
|u/acrossaconcretesky - 1 month
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|The Democratic Popular People's Front of New Kyiv
|u/Impressive-Lobster77 - 1 month
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|The “Fuck Putin” party of Kursk
|u/Nippon-Gakki - 1 month
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|Peoples popular front of Kursk!
|u/Epsteins_List - 1 month
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|He's over there.
|u/duct_tape_jedi - 1 month
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|Somebody wake him up and let him know, please.
|u/queen-adreena - 1 month
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|You mean that dude Sasha?
|u/wowaddict71 - 1 month
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|What have the Ukrainians ever done for us?
|u/Daranad - 1 month
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|Indoor plumping
|u/talldata - 1 month
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|T 72
|u/Exotic-District3437 - 1 month
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|Make some sick Renaissance clothes
|u/RaggaDruida - 1 month
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|Being the technological and industrial centre of the USSR that
|helped beat the axis. That explains why Ukraine is sooo good at
|beating far-right regimes.
|u/Jace_Phoenixstar - 1 month
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|Try the world's premier bread basket
|u/Zwiebel1 - 1 month
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|Memes.
|u/Dzotshen - 1 month
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|Senator Collins of The Kursk People's Front, which fell off and was
|towed outside the environment
|u/Foodstamp001 - 1 month
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|It just fell off? Seems like a design flaw
|u/Copy_Of_The_G - 1 month
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|[you’re wrong, they’re designed to the highest standards. For
|starters, the front isn’t supposed to fall
|off.](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM)
|u/brooksram - 1 month
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|Yeah, that's not very typical. I'd like to make that point.
|u/RReverser - 1 month
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|Can we transliterate Kursk as Cursk instead just to get "PRC"
|instead?
|u/PokemonSapphire - 1 month
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|Nah they should give it that old Soviet feel and call it the
|Democratic Peoples Republic of Kursk (DPRK)
|u/RReverser - 1 month
|
|Ok that's better. Now just need to do a referendum... ah
|nevermind, the results are in, DPRK has decided to separate from
|Russia with an overwhelming 99.8% of votes.
|u/Vineyard_ - 1 month
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|Incidentally, the population decreased by 0.2%. (Just
|kidding, of course; Ukraine doesn't murder dissidents. Unlike
|Russia.)
|u/digital_cucumber - 1 month
|
|Amusingly, in russian it's kind of already like that (КНР -
|"Курская Народная Республика).
|u/bewisedontforget - 1 month
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|China?
|u/jl55378008 - 1 month
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|Fuck off! Splitter. 
|u/anotherone121 - 1 month
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|They could appoint a dog as Govenor and name it Vladimir Poopin (or
|Vladimir VladimirObitch)
|u/CharcoalGreyWolf - 1 month
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|The Putin-Hating People’s Front of Kursk (Have to add that first
|bit to grind in the salt added to the wound)
|u/Memeic - 1 month
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|The Kursk Front Committee. Headed by the Colonel.
|u/dunker_- - 1 month
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|We need Borat in charge. I like!
|u/Biuku - 1 month
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|Put that sub in charge.
|u/stanbright - 1 month
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|Don’t forget that there’s a Russian Resistance arm force or
|something like that that is fighting against Putin.
|u/count023 - 1 month
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|they're not ukranian soldiers, they're just little green men on
|vacation.
|u/753951321654987 - 1 month
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|Give it to some of the Russian legion ppl
|u/Character-Science802 - 1 month
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|the Kursk people's popular national democratic Salvation front has
|the most legitimacy 
|u/Psychological-Part1 - 1 month
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|The Babushka's Front of the Peoples Kursk
|u/DunningKrugerLife - 1 month
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|Kursk Liberation Front The KLF.
|u/google257 - 1 month
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|No, obviously it would be the Popular Front of the People if Kursk
|u/Aedeus - 1 month
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|The shambling corpse of Trotsky
|u/FullyStacked92 - 1 month
|
|What did the Ukrainiens ever do for us!?
|u/Kradget - 1 month
|
|I like it. The whole thing is a thumb on their eye, but just publicly
|musing about trimming bits off a neglected region because you know it
|makes the look weak, the one thing they can't tolerate or survive at
|home is 🤌
|u/Velochipractor - 1 month
|
|Hypothethically speaking (because again, Zelensky is probably
|bluffing), the one thing Putin is mortally afraid of is the idea
|that Kursk or other Russian regions actually might prosper under a
|government that isn't a corrupt mafia shitshow. That's what scares
|him. Not NATO bombers or whatever Globohomo Antichrist they're
|painting on the walls, but the average Russian overcoming his or her
|own cognitive dissonance, and accepting the fact the oligarchy is
|holding all of them hostage.
|u/PiotrekDG - 1 month
|
|That's certainly one of the reasons he invaded Ukraine in the
|first place. A former Soviet republic cannot prosper.
|u/mongster03_ - 1 month
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|*glances at Baltics*
|u/Shadow293 - 1 month
|
|Oh man it would be the funniest shit ever if Ukraine copies Ruzzia’s
|playbook just to troll them!
|u/canspop - 1 month
|
|That was my first thought when I read the headline. After all, he's
|already said that Ukraine doesn't want any ruzzian territory.
|u/thissomeotherplace - 1 month
|
|Zelensky is a comedian.... I wouldn't put it past him! Best joke he
|could pull on Putler
|u/rpeppers - 1 month
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|Time to de-nazify Russia
|u/thooghun - 1 month
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|Maybe throw in a "referendum" for shits and giggles.
|u/MachineDog90 - 1 month
|
|Then, the Kursk's People's Republic vote to join Ukraine. Honestly,
|Zelensky is a comedian, so doing as a trolling joke to Russia just as
|a big FU to Putin could be on brand.
|u/Gloomy_Nebula_5138 - 1 month
|
|Kursk was part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, right? So
|this would just be a return to what was true in the past (well for a
|small part of history anyways). And technically Russians consider Kyiv
|to be their motherland, since they’re named for it.
|u/QuadlessPyjack - 1 month
|
|This is how you treat far right extremism - by using its own idiocy
|against itself to turn it into a mockery so big nobody would ever want
|to associate with it. Discredit it to the core.
|u/NegativeVega - 1 month
|
|What does the russian war have to do with far right extremism?
|u/MandoFett117 - 1 month
|
|A lot? Putin is an authoritarian who hasn't hesitated to use
|violence, both military and political, in attempts to "other"
|anyone who disagrees with him or otherwise doesn't give him
|exactly what he wants.
|u/abn1304 - 1 month
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|TIL Mao and Stalin were far-right
|u/foul_ol_ron - 1 month
|
|Apparently north Korea is democratic. It's in the name.
|u/Bartimeo666 - 1 month
|
|A lot. Far right shitheads all over occident have been fundes by
|Russia and they love authoritarians regimes like the russian one.
|u/saibalter - 1 month
|
|Actually, by definition, Russia is far left due to the whole
|communism thing they have 😉
|u/Sumutherguy - 1 month
|
|Russia hasn't been communist for 33 years, the Soviet Union
|dissolved in 91. Modern Russia is a capitalist state, straddling
|the line between oligarchy and dictatorship, that is expressly and
|openly trying to recreate the Russian Empire of the 19th century.
|u/Unclerojelio - 1 month
|
|The first act should be to hold a vote for inclusion into Ukraine.
|u/phire - 1 month
|
|Not really. If Ukraine wants to occupy the area long term (and there
|are any civilians left) there needs to be some form of civilian
|government, even if it's just temporary until the land is handed back
|after the war.
|u/Velochipractor - 1 month
|
|And that's the big "If". As a humble little armchair general, I
|think Ukraine simply doesn't have the resources to establish a
|permanent stronghold in Russia (nevermind they can't even use 100%
|of said resources due to restrictions from their allies, which is an
|entirely different can of bullshit). As others already speculated,
|chances are they want to force Russia into relocating troops from
|Ukraine itself to defend its own territory. That they can also mess
|with the local infrastructure in order to reduce Kursk's further use
|as a staging platform against Ukraine proper is the icing on the
|cake. Not to speak of the PR disaster for Putin.
|u/phire - 1 month
|
|My prediction is that Ukraine will try to hold at least some of
|it. Yes, it's expensive to hold. But if Ukraine simply retreat to
|the boarder, Russia will only relocate enough troops to hold the
|board against any future attacks. Holding it permanently will
|force Russia to continually think about it and relocate even more
|troops to try and take it back. It takes less resources to defend
|a position than to take it, so the investment might be worth it
|for Ukraine.
|u/BRAX7ON - 1 month
|
|When the first Publix goes up we’ll know they are for real
|u/N0S0UP_4U - 1 month
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|Give it a more western name to really drive home the point - perhaps
|simply “Republic of Kursk”
|u/findingmike - 1 month
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|He is a comedian.
|u/GodrickTheGoof - 1 month
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|I agree haha!
|u/Desmaad - 1 month
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|Remember he was a comedian.
|u/HyrulianAvenger - 1 month
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|It would be a sign that the rift created after Bush was given the
|presidency by SCOTUS is healing and we are restoring the timeline
|u/svick - 1 month
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|Wouldn't that legitimize what Russia has done?
|u/Velochipractor - 1 month
|
|It would be a geo-political clusterfuck in the sense that it would
|pour kerosene on border conflicts and separationism ranging from
|Catalonia and Spain to Taiwan and China. Hence my assumption he is
|bluffing. As for "legitimacy" - the entire concept hinges on both
|sides actually sticking to some sort of shared morals or ethical
|guidelines. Russia has broken pretty much all of said rules when it
|began its invasion. It is no longer a rational actor, and arguing
|about legitimacy would require Russia itself to actually care about
|'legitimacy' outside of cry-bullying.
|u/JustAPasingNerd - 1 month
|
|Time for a referendum, I feel a huge turnout, at least 150%.
|u/8ROWNLYKWYD - 1 month
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|Make sure to guard the polls, so no Nazis get in.
|u/non7top - 1 month
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|It's actually 146% (just google it)
|u/bonelessonly - 1 month
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|The oblast formerly known as Kursk.
|u/southpolefiesta - 1 month
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|Kurshchina.
|u/Particular_Horror_65 - 1 month
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|I think everyone is gonna have o blast there... 🥁
|u/GladCreme8654 - 1 month
|
|Every war has had administrative sectors formed in occupied territories,
|this is nothing strange nor new. From centuries ago, to wars of the
|20th century to this day, someone has to administer the basic needs etc,
|and it should not be the military. This does not mean annexation or
|forming pseudo wannabe-country. Russia on the other hand has broken
|every written and spoken rule and law.
|u/Purplebuzz - 1 month
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|It is strange and new as it happening in occupied Russia…
|u/MrHazard1 - 1 month
|
|What do you mean, "occupied"? These are clearly pro-ukranian
|separatists who, under unclear circumstances, happened to get their
|hands on ukranian military equipment /s
|u/Sampankilatman - 1 month
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|liberated Russia
|u/r0bb3dzombie - 1 month
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|> occupied Russia… That sounds so nice. Say it again.
|u/NWCtim_ - 1 month
|
|What would be absolutely amazing is that if Ukraine, while occupying
|the region out of spite/for a strategic diversion/leverage, ends up
|treating the people living there better than Moscow treats them.
|u/Fewluvatuk - 1 month
|
|From the article: > Klymenko also said that Russian civilians
|residing in parts of Kursk Oblast where fighting has been ongoing
|had been "abandoned" by authorities, who fled without leaving in
|place basic humanitarian necessities. The Interior Ministry would
|assist in the provision of food, water, medicine, and hygiene
|products to help support the local civilian population, Klymenko
|added.
|u/pistolpeter33 - 1 month
|
|Any territory on the frontline should 100% be administered by the
|military. Only once it’s safely consolidated and not at risk could it
|make sense to hand it off to some kind of civilian organization.
|u/Spiz101 - 1 month
|
|IIRC Occupied territory is supposed to remain under military
|administration to avoid the development of structures for defacto
|annexation. Ukrainian civil administration should not be implemented.
|u/leg_day - 1 month
|
|Yeah, sure, did Russia honor that "standard" with Crimea? Fuck
|Russia, and Fuck Russians who support Russia. Fascists to their
|core.
|u/earthoutbound - 1 month
|
|Zelensky should claim 300% of the voting population is in support
|u/Gorgeous_Gonchies - 1 month
|
|Seems obvious that you'd follow the same playbook the Russians did to
|make the point. I would've been talking about the "referendum" you're
|going to have this whole time. When you announce the results of course
|you repeat whatever fake "overwhelming support" percentage the Russians
|claimed when they did this to put a final punctuation mark on the
|performance.
|u/HauntingReddit88 - 1 month
|
|If they intend to hold it for a period of time, it would make sense to
|have some form of authority there anyway - otherwise you’re spending
|military resources that could be used elsewhere
|u/Jumpy-Coffee-Cat - 1 month
|
|It’s in Russia…. You’ll need military resources to hold it
|regardless. I’m not sure the long play is to hold it though
|u/Nattekat - 1 month
|
|You can use military forces for frontline stuff and not waste them
|for occupation stuff. 
|u/perenniallandscapist - 1 month
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|Really?? Quick call the press! This is news! /s
|u/Kakkoister - 1 month
|
|Crimea and Donbas is in Ukraine too, so what's really your point
|there? If Russia is going to pretend doing this is okay, then
|Ukraine can too.
|u/Jumpy-Coffee-Cat - 1 month
|
|Wut…. My point was Ukraine has to spend military resources to
|hold Kursk regardless of if there’s some sort of civil
|administration or not, just as Russia is having to spend
|military resources in the regions you mentioned. No mention of
|right vs wrong. I don’t think reading comprehension is your
|strong suit.
|u/southpolefiesta - 1 month
|
|Hold a referendum In sudzha and claim entire Kursk Oblast is now
|Ukraine. Russia did this with Zaporzhye.
|u/cyrixlord - 1 month
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|It has to total over 100% tho
|u/Laff70 - 1 month
|
|I want some of the numbers to be complex, octonions, and tensors.
|u/MeMay0 - 1 month
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|Do not become what you seek to destroy
|u/RheagarTargaryen - 1 month
|
|It’s called mockery. By doing what Russia did in Ukrainian
|territories, it makes for some interesting double speak for Russia
|to claim that those areas in Ukraine are Russian while that area in
|Russia is still Russian despite having gone through the same process
|that those Ukrainian territories went through.
|u/mrpenchant - 1 month
|
|The suggestions of mockery via holding fake referendums and
|declaring overwhelming support regardless of the population's vote
|is a terrible idea. While Russia may or may not have a tough time
|declaring Ukraine's actions as illegitimate, similarly Ukraine
|will have a tough time insisting those actions are only
|illegitimate when Russia does it. And "I was joking" isn't
|generally an accepted diplomatic or legal response. That said, I
|see no issue with Ukraine setting up a civil administration over
|the area as long as they don't declare an intention to annex the
|territory. A temporary occupation is not the same as Russia's
|actions.
|u/Dig-a-tall-Monster - 1 month
|
|I don't think you get it. Russia invaded Ukraine illegally in
|order to annex Crimea and did so under false pretenses. Ukraine
|has been saying "Hey that shit's illegal and not okay" ever
|since it happened. But Russia has continued to do it and the UN
|have not stepped in, which is like saying "Actually it's totally
|fine" through not punishing the perpetrators. So IF Ukraine
|does this they don't have to justify it to anyone, they get to
|ask everyone else to justify why it's not okay first, and if the
|answer applies to what Russia did then Ukraine gets to ask
|everyone else why they only started giving a fuck now. It's
|about exposing hypocrisy.
|u/MeMay0 - 1 month
|
|Do not become what you seek to destroy
|u/bjbigplayer - 1 month
|
|Sarcasm and Satire is an excellent weapon used by good guys to
|expose the evil intellectual dishonesty of others. Holding a
|referendum and annexing Kursk into Ukraine would be totally
|appropriate.
|u/joaoricrd2 - 1 month
|
|You must be fun at parties
|u/drainodan55 - 1 month
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|Who do you think you are, Quebecers?
|u/NOBOOTSFORYOU - 1 month
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|Tabarnak!
|u/bunker931 - 1 month
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|Esti tabarnak, arrête de niaiser!
|u/drainodan55 - 1 month
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|Whoosh. And it's Kursk.
|u/mindfu - 1 month
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|Zelensky twisting that knife in Putin's ego. Love it.
|u/ScottOld - 1 month
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|Do iiiiit
|u/SavagePlatypus76 - 1 month
|
|Putin will have to accept the new geopolitical realities of the
|situation. 
|u/Whatdosheepdreamof - 1 month
|
|Not if his direct reports have anything to do with it!
|u/Ruiner_Of_Things - 1 month
|
|>> Ukraine would be conducting humanitarian operations in the area,
|including creating safe corridors for civilians to evacuate — both
|toward Ukraine and to other parts of Russia. Zelenskyy is such a
|brilliant master troll.
|u/Mrslinkydragon - 1 month
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|Considering he's originally a comedic actor!
|u/IneffectiveInc - 1 month
|
|Would've been even funnier with "... both toward Russia and to other
|parts of Ukraine."
|u/hjdog - 1 month
|
|Should immediately a referendum on independence and recognize it as a
|part of Ukraine lol
|u/rrrand0mmm - 1 month
|
|Ultimate uno reverse.
|u/Puzzled_Pain6143 - 1 month
|
|And make Ukraine parliament annex the region as Russia did.
|u/Bright_Curve_8417 - 1 month
|
|I wonder how sincerely patriotic the people of the Kursk oblast are. Not
|in the sense that they love Russia, but in the sense that they are loyal
|to Putin. If they are not, this might be an excellent chance to set up
|a local civilian government. If discontent is widespread enough, there
|will be plenty of collaborators and defectors from Russia proper. It
|could begin a revolution. Crazier things have happened.
|u/cddelgado - 1 month
|
|He may or may not be serious, but if Ukraine is intending or expecting
|to stay for any length of time, some administration needs to be formed.
|It could be anything from "we opt to keep the peace and keep utilities
|running until Russia returns" to "Welcome to Ukraine! Wanna see what
|it's like to not live in fear of your leader?" They need to be careful
|though. The people have to be onboard or Ukraine will have vigilante
|warfare just like Russia has in the Ukrainian territories it is
|occupying. The greatest insult of all would be if the people of the
|occupied territories of Kursk oblast ultimately say "You know what? This
|is fine. We'll roll with it. Hook us up Ukraine!" It would be a
|voluntary defection of a *region* to another country. If one part of
|Russia does it, how will other regions *not*? There is a timeline where
|this sparks a civil war outside of Moscow. There is another timeline
|where the autonomous regions of the east say "if Kursk can do it, why
|can't we?" I think it is possible that Ukraine could turn more than
|hearts and minds.
|u/Independent_Sun1901 - 1 month
|
|Is Jon fucking Stewart running Ukraine?
|u/Wuncemoor - 1 month
|
|Well they're both comedians that's for sure
|u/guyincognito121 - 1 month
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|He was kind of the Ukrainian Jon Stewart, as I understood matters.
|u/mick_boi - 1 month
|
|Would that be good?
|u/PigeroniPepperoni - 1 month
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|It would be funny
|u/hh3k0 - 1 month
|
|That’s good.
|u/ddejong42 - 1 month
|
|Who makes sure water keeps coming out of faucets and the roads are
|usable? It’s not going to be Russia for now.
|u/Macaroninotbolognese - 1 month
|
|For some reason i'm starting to think the plan is much smarter.
|Incursion to ruzzia to force them to mobilize forces to those regions
|from the frontlines and then when they're gone quickly attack weakened
|frontlines including Crimea. On top of that keeping pressure on russian
|inside their territory constantly harassing their positions and
|airfields.
|u/vozjaevdanil - 1 month
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|this is not a hot take
|u/JadedMedia5152 - 1 month
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|They should hold elections next week.
|u/Emperior567 - 1 month
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|Let us do a referendum
|u/Oatcake47 - 1 month
|
|As funny as it would be, that would just help Puttler justify his
|actions to Russians.
|u/Emperior567 - 1 month
|
|Def wouldnt lol russians are brainwashed but not dumb
|u/Oatcake47 - 1 month
|
|Sadly it’s not just Ruzzia but the rest of the world which Ukraine
|needs to keep on side for support. People think they are jokeing
|around they may not get that.
|u/BadHombreSinNombre - 1 month
|
|Time to re-form Kyivan Rus as a constitutional monarchy!
|u/Ordinary_Scale_5642 - 1 month
|
|After reading the comments I am glad that most people are not in
|government. It is a bad idea to copy what Russia is doing because “I
|was joking” and “it’s only illegal when Russia does it” is not a proper
|diplomatic response, especially when you are not powerful enough to act
|completely on your own. Civilian government should not be installed in
|temporary occupied areas because it’s a sliding scale to annexation or
|can be perceived as such.
|u/Oatcake47 - 1 month
|
|Ensuring that the current civilian administration has what it needs to
|say evacuate and treat people medically is the right move. Just a
|good opportunity to also give them some international news about their
|situation.
|u/Oatcake47 - 1 month
|
|They have opened humanitarian corridors both north and south! Nows
|the time guy make your choice 🤣
|u/Law-Fish - 1 month
|
|The people’s republic of Kursk is being liberated at long last!
|u/Top-Technology1 - 1 month
|
|This would be the cherry on top!
|u/Low-Abbreviations634 - 1 month
|
|Excellent
|u/bonelessonly - 1 month
|
|Well obviously someone has to be in charge, and it's not Putin anymore.
|u/givmemoney - 1 month
|
|Soon a referendum whether the people wants to stay with ukraine .
|u/caribbean_caramel - 1 month
|
|Can't wait for the creation of the Democratic People's Republic of
|Kursk.
|u/yearofthesponge - 1 month
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|It’s Ukraine’s Kursk oblast now!
|u/bjbigplayer - 1 month
|
|Nothing like a good ole fixed plebiscite to see how many people want to
|join Ukraine.
|u/Conscious_Bus4284 - 1 month
|
|He should hold a real election there.
|u/Blacknight841 - 1 month
|
|The correct move here would be to quickly hold a referendum on
|annexation.
|u/WangMangDonkeyChain - 1 month
|
|let’s rename it “Natoyevka”! 
|u/Zataril - 1 month
|
|You would think with the successful incursion that it would spur other
|factions in places like Chechnya to do similar uprisings. Especially if
|they can keep it operating for longer than a few weeks.
|u/iamarocketsfan - 1 month
|
|On one hand, this is terrible image in terms of international relations,
|and ultimately I don't think he does it. Since it's essentially stooping
|to the low level of your enemy. OTOH, I welcome any idea that would
|make the optics of this worse for those in Russia, because right now the
|importance of this incursion has indeed been more in the publicity
|aspect than strategic accomplishments. And the more pressure internally
|on Putin, the more he's likely to come to the negotiation table with
|something reasonable.
|u/Own_Pop_9711 - 1 month
|
|Why is this terrible? They control land with civilians, there needs to
|be some form of effective government right? I genuinely don't know
|what the options are
|u/makingwaronthecar - 1 month
|
|Once you move from direct military control to any sort of civilian
|administration, it’s considered a step towards forcible annexation
|of the territory. Annexing territory occupied by force is a
|violation of international law.
|u/Own_Pop_9711 - 1 month
|
|So it's more desirable for the military to just pick what laws are
|in force and arrest anyone they think is breaking them?
|u/CopyrightNineteen73 - 1 month
|
|> it’s considered a step towards forcible annexation of the
|territory. Annexing territory occupied by force is a violation of
|international law you can step towards it all day, this *is*
|horseshoes.
|u/OKImHere - 1 month
|
|Really? Out of the two activities in the expression, you chose
|the horseshoes?
|u/MrChip53 - 1 month
|
|We are talking about the civilian population here and
|presumably we are not Russian so I think it is horseshoes
|also.
|u/cyrixlord - 1 month
|
|What better place to do it then than in a country that's basically
|a war crime with a gas station
|u/Ivanow - 1 month
|
|> On one hand, this is terrible image in terms of international
|relations, and ultimately I don’t think he does it. I disagree.
|Countries seem to be split into three camps when it comes to this war
|already - for, against, and don’t care. There’s not much that can be
|done to make them switch camps. I could see some advantages to move
|like this - it would highlight Russia’s hypocrisy at Donetsk and
|Luhansk oblasts. It would be material proof of Ukraine’s success that
|they could present to allies “see what we did with the gear you sent
|us. It’s not wasted, can you send more?”. Ukrainian war coverage was
|recently stale in Western media - eye catching headlines like this
|could be used to energize population again. It is another bargaining
|chip that could be used in future peace talks - “we will give you your
|Kursk oblast back, if you give us our Donetsk oblast back”. > Since
|it’s essentially stooping to the low level of your enemy. There is
|still civilian population there. Someone needs to keep basic services
|like electricity, waterworks and medical treatments running. Russia
|doesn’t seem like they will be in position to do so anytime soon, so
|someone needs to step up, to avoid humanitarian catastrophe.
|u/iamarocketsfan - 1 month
|
|Countries for Ukraine still have lots of people who are against
|helping Ukraine. If Ukraine goes ahead and rape and pillage all the
|villages they took over, how much do you want to bet that the US
|would quickly stop providing aid especially right before this
|election? Even Israel is at least pretending like all their missiles
|are landing on Hamas-only or something despite common sense would
|indicate that's clearly not the case. Much less Ukraine who really
|do need as much help as they can.
|u/Ivanow - 1 month
|
|> If Ukraine goes ahead and rape and pillage all the villages they
|took over WTF are you talking about? I'm talking about
|establishing normal civilian administration in the region, not the
|same shit that Russia did in Bucha.
|https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/08/14/7470410/ (Yes, I
|know the source might be biased, but this is the kind of things
|I'm talking about)
|u/cocofelon2025 - 1 month
|
|Somebody has to keep paying the garbage collectors
|u/RheagarTargaryen - 1 month
|
|Eh, it’s effective to put up a farce election to put Russia in a
|position where they have to claim that the Ukrainian territories they
|annexed are rightfully theirs while also claiming Ukraine stole
|Russian land. The difference between Russia and Ukraine is that
|Ukraine has no desire to actually annex Kursk. They want to use it as
|leverage to get back their own territory. Russia’s entire war is
|designed to annex as much of Ukraine as they can. This would be more
|of a “two can play that game” mock annexation.
|u/ArmyOfDix - 1 month
|
|I think Ukraine has about 2 or 3 steps...plus another 10,000km before
|they can even ***see*** Russia's "level" with the equivalent of the
|goddamn Hubble Telescope.
|u/Ithirahad - 1 month
|
|...because we have seen just how well "you go low, we go high" works
|elsewhere)) In the end, whatever works... works.
|u/iamarocketsfan - 1 month
|
|Well because one side has an image they need to maintain in order to
|keep getting arms. And the countries they get help from are
|generally democracies where having an image is important. If
|Ukraine was backed by China then I wouldn't have made my comment.
|u/SimilarOrange2170 - 1 month
|
|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGI25heP0bg](https://www.youtube.com/wa
|tch?v=EGI25heP0bg) No negotiations - this is the opinion of all
|Russians. Death or victory, even if Ukraine becomes a cemetery.
|u/BudgetHistorian7179 - 1 month
|
|Will the new Ukrainan Oblasts allow people to vote for any opposition
|party or, like the rest of Ukraine, the opposition will stay illegal? 
|Also, will they allow any independent media or (like the rest of
|Ukraine) will all media be under strict governmental control?
|u/Galton1865 - 1 month
|
|Pro Russia parties are banned, Media is of course restricted. It is
|war my dude, and it has precedents in what has been done before in
|democracies. Do not draw false equivalencies
|u/Vasiliy_FE - 1 month
|
|Government control over medias actually isn't that heavy, I was
|surprised to find articles like this one during the battle of Bakhmut,
|openly criticising the government and military:
|[https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-soldiers-in-bakhmut-our-troops-
|are-not-being-protected/](https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-
|soldiers-in-bakhmut-our-troops-are-not-being-protected/)
|u/2pierad - 1 month
|
|Won’t Putin use nukes?
|u/RandomCreeper33 - 1 month
|
|That little boy cries wolf and everyone knows it. Fuck him.
|u/Nightsong - 1 month
|
|Putin already threatened to use nukes if Russia proper was ever
|invaded (among many other red lines). Yet here we are a week after
|Ukraine has gone and invaded Russia proper. No nukes have been used.
|u/CampusTour - 1 month
|
|Why? So he can lose all of Russia instead of this little bit Ukraine
|has broken off? What would he even nuke? His own territory? Lob one
|at a Ukrainian city and get all of NATO up his ass overnight? Like,
|use nukes to do *what* exactly in this scenario?
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