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A teen was falling asleep during a courtroom field trip. She ended up in
cuffs and jail clothes
(URL) https://apnews.com/article/teen-detroit-field-trip-handcuffs-50ca8b30... (https://apnews.com)
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|u/JVemon - 1 month
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|>King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a
|mentor. Yeahhhhhh no.
|u/munkamonk - 1 month
|
|Right? What’s he going to mentor her in? How to abuse positions of
|power? How to have a fragile little ego? How to overreact to minor
|situations? How to have zero empathy for what might be going on in
|another person’s life?
|u/meatball77 - 1 month
|
|After treating her like that he now wants to be her friend?
|Wouldn't that be teaching her to be in relationships with abusers.
|u/FenionZeke - 1 month
|
|Welcome to America. Where abusers are given badges , robes and
|congressional seats so they can treat the rest of us like their
|victims.
|u/_callmeEthan - 1 month
|
|he seem like a predator, mentor is just an excuse
|u/banbha19981998 - 1 month
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|That was my first thought weedling his way in the family
|u/busty_snackleford - 1 month
|
|Dude’s a creep, he’s literally trying to trauma bond with a teenage
|girl. There’s no legitimate excuse for that shit.
|u/darksideofthemoon131 - 1 month
|
|This jumped out at me. Fuck that. He's a creep. He knows he fucked up
|and now he's trying to act like a good guy.
|u/Dzov - 1 month
|
|Him acting like a good guy is the nicest possible way to read this.
|Another option would be him wanting access to do additional illegal
|things to her.
|u/RheimsNZ - 1 month
|
|This. It's abuse, and he was looking to abuse her some more
|u/Dieter_Knutsen - 1 month
|
|Yeah, it's predator behavior. Check his hard drives.
|u/bandalooper - 1 month
|
|“I wanted to show her how real this is and how fucking unjust it is
|and you can’t stop me. But it’s for her own good- not because I’m an
|egomaniacal dickhead.”
|u/NeededToChooseAName - 1 month
|
|That one line makes it go from a weird power trip to straight up
|predatory behavior. He singled her out, focused on her, wanted to
|"Teach her a lesson," then actually insert himself into her life? A
|fucking 16 year old girl? Makes me honestly feel like this guys got
|some skeletons in his closet.
|u/255001434 - 1 month
|
|Yeah, her parents need to keep him away from her. Just think of how
|hard it is to get justice against cops who commit abuses and this
|guy is way above that in terms of authority. He's dangerous.
|u/discsarentpogs - 1 month
|
|That'd be real ballsy to speak with me if I was this kid's father.
|u/Leading_Marzipan_579 - 1 month
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|Read: he spoke to the girls parents and offered whatever he could to
|backpedal from his overreach.
|u/ImagineIndustry - 1 month
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|Investigate every relationship this motherfucker has with any woman in
|his life. Dude is a walking red flag
|u/Enshakushanna - 1 month
|
|thats his roundabout way of telling the parents he thinks theyre doing
|a bad job of raising their child
|u/WiretapStudios - 1 month
|
|That's the R. Kelly playbook.
|u/ThirdWorldScientist - 1 month
|
|He offered to be her mentor after traumatizing and humiliating her. This
|guy is really full of himself.
|u/meatball77 - 1 month
|
|Isn't that teaching the kid to be in abusive relationships. They
|treat you badly because they love you.
|u/serenwipiti - 1 month
|
|Imagine having narcolepsy and this shit happening to you. ^lmao
|u/Loverboy_91 - 1 month
|
|I mean reading the article, it sounds like the judge is just a
|self-important douchebag who wanted to “teach her a lesson” for
|falling asleep in his boring ass courtroom because the field trip
|probably sucked. Doesn’t sound like he laid hands on her, or was
|even physically in her vicinity, just ordered her to be cuffed and
|make it *seem* like she was going to go to jail for …
|disrespecting him I guess? Obviously a wild overstep for the
|judge and a complete abuse of power, but it seems more like he’s a
|dickhead that got offended a kid fell asleep during his teaching
|moment, than a pedo.
|u/DriftingPyscho - 1 month
|
|He's a dickhead that doesn't believe in due process to get his
|point across.  
|u/joeschmoshow1234 - 1 month
|
|Teenagers have drastically different circadian rhythm sleeping
|patterns, and this asshole traumatized her for it in order to
|feel more important
|u/genericusername_5 - 1 month
|
|Also, you don't know what's happening in her life. Maybe she
|has a bad home life and can't sleep, maybe she's under a ton
|of stress currently because of personal stuff, etc and has
|insomnia.
|u/yeahthatwayyy - 1 month
|
|Exactly. It’s a generational trauma thing which is why it’s so
|disgusting he used his power to humiliate and demean instead of a
|million other things he could have done
|u/IAMTHEDICIPLINE - 1 month
|
|“See what you made do?!?!”
|u/Nacho_Papi - 1 month
|
|What better way to teach young kids a lesson than by violating their
|rights early on! That'll teach 'em!
|u/Tangled349 - 1 month
|
|Would that happen if the girl was white?? I recall a certain
|presidential candidate sleeping through his trials.
|u/sobrique - 1 month
|
|I mean, there's probably a lesson there. It's just maybe not the one
|they thought.
|u/Napalmeon - 1 month
|
|It's not really surprising. Judges, like surgeons, often have
|something of an immense superiority complex.
|u/ChiefsHat - 1 month
|
|Can confirm, one’s been giving single mothers in my county absolute
|hell for the past few years.
|u/derf6 - 1 month
|
|Can you blame them? They are basically above the law.
|u/nudiecale - 1 month
|
|At least surgeons do something truly gifted.
|u/kultureisrandy - 1 month
|
|Truly. I feel like i could study law and abid by it. Under no
|circumstance will my hand ever be steady enough to perform
|surgery
|u/Spiderpiggie - 1 month
|
|Performing surgery is the easy part, having your patient walk
|away from it is another matter
|u/Makal - 1 month
|
|Maybe we should bring back the aincent Persian idea of skinning
|corrupt judges and tanning them into chairs for the next judge to
|adjudicate from.
|u/orderofGreenZombies - 1 month
|
|Judges are mostly just cops in different clothes. Bastards.
|u/cragglerock93 - 1 month
|
|The parents: 'no thanks, I don't want my child to become a cunt'
|u/jodybot9000000000 - 1 month
|
|Everyone thinks they're Steve Jobs and Willy Wonka rolled into one,
|and not just, you know, an asshole.
|u/HermaeusMajora - 1 month
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|Sounds like he was attempting to groom her.
|u/anyd - 1 month
|
|Hey cool I live here. I can vote him out... In *2026.*. ffff
|u/DanielleMuscato - 1 month
|
|A lot of narcissists become lawyers because of the money and the
|status. The REALLY narcissistic ones go on to become judges. What
|better job for a narcissistic piece of shit than literally making
|people stand up when you walk in the room, getting called "Your Honor"
|all day, getting to tell people when they're allowed to speak, sit,
|stand, or be silent.... And sentencing people to prison, on top of it.
|It's a sadistic control freak's wet dream career.
|u/sji411 - 1 month
|
|Thankfully, according to a WXYZ Detroit news article, her family is
|not interested in him being her mentor.
|u/elconquistador1985 - 1 month
|
|>King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a
|mentor. So he offered to traumatize her further? Dude was basically
|giving a tour guide speech to high school kids and instead decided to do
|a show of power instead. What a dick.
|u/burnalicious111 - 1 month
|
|A real abuser move. Wants to keep getting his power-trip rocks off.
|u/SyntheticGod8 - 1 month
|
|Why does this older man want to have quality alone time with a teenage
|girl anyway?
|u/PrototyPerfection - 1 month
|
|you know why.
|u/illistdj - 1 month
|
|*Drake enters the chat*
|u/whatusername21 - 1 month
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|fuck me... right question that one...
|u/nameforusing - 1 month
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|She said there was a camera in the room she was told to change in. 
|u/MizDeborahWolf - 1 month
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|He's probably trying to get his own reality show.
|u/OssiansFolly - 1 month
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|Sounds like a civil rights abuse if I've ever seen one.
|u/Klaatwo - 1 month
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|Yeah this feels like a lawsuit ending in settlement.
|u/SporksRFun - 1 month
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|There will be a settlement for sure this was a clear civil rights
|violation.
|u/FactCheckingThings - 1 month
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|Falling asleep on a field trip, believe it or not, jail.
|u/1TiredPrsn - 1 month
|
|Right to jail.
|u/I_said_watch_Clark_ - 1 month
|
|You overcook chicken, right to jail.
|u/ExternalMonth1964 - 1 month
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|Undercook, jail.
|u/killerkitten61 - 1 month
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|Under seasoned? Believe it or not right to jail.
|u/Jack_Bartowski - 1 month
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|Over seasoned? jail.
|u/AlwaysUpvotesScience - 1 month
|
|Now, serve it too hot or too cold and you guessed it, jail.
|u/CynthiaChames - 1 month
|
|Make a dentist appointment and don't show up? Believe it
|or not, jail. Right away. We have the best patients in the
|world. Because of jail.
|u/DiamondCultural1848 - 1 month
|
|I'm so glad to see these comments.
|u/MercyfulJudas - 1 month
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|You sharge too much for ehsweaters, straight to jail.
|u/trav66011 - 1 month
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|Fish still swim. Yes yes. Jail
|u/jftitan - 1 month
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|Ketchup on a well done steak?
|u/2HDFloppyDisk - 1 month
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|Undercook Overcook
|u/Piercinald-Anastasia - 1 month
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|We have the most attentive students because of jail.
|u/katchaa - 1 month
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|Do not pass Go.
|u/Nodiggity1213 - 1 month
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|No Touching!
|u/Death4Free - 1 month
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|This kind of behavior is never tolerated in Baragua.
|u/MtnDewTangClan - 1 month
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|Abusing your powers in a non judiciary function? Believe it or not
|civil immunity
|u/-CJF- - 1 month
|
|That's what I was thinking. I'm not a lawyer but how can you detain
|someone if they aren't under arrest...?
|u/Nevada_Lawyer - 1 month
|
|I believe it’s called the judge’s inherent contempt power. Under
|the common law, the judge can basically be Judge Dredd and convict
|you and sentence you for contempt on the spot. Here in Vegas, one
|of the city court judges in our suburb Henderson who got elected
|was a former stripper. Someone told her in Court she should have
|stayed in her old job. Jail.
|u/Nevada_Lawyer - 1 month
|
|Oh! And a former family Court Judge, Assad, had a girlfriend
|show up to convey the information that her boyfriend wasn’t
|showing up for some order to show cause about her boyfriend’s
|custody case (not girlfriend’s kids). He had her detained and
|put in handcuffs and had her call the boyfriend to come with the
|kids or something he wouldn’t let her out. lol. Assad got in
|trouble for that one because the contempt power doesn’t allow
|you take non-parties to the case as hostages. Ironically he
|didn’t lose his judgeship till after 9/11 when people assumed
|because of his name he was Muslim. I think it was ironic because
|he was an Arab Christian son of refugee parents. Man, if you’ve
|ever had a coparent kidnap or otherwise withhold your children
|from you, I bet you’d love that hostage taking judge so fucking
|much. lol.
|u/AuroraFireflash - 1 month
|
|> Someone told her in Court she should have stayed in her old
|job. I mean that's legitimate contempt of court. Not "kid fell
|asleep during field trip".
|u/TurnkeyLurker - 1 month
|
|>That's what I was thinking. I'm not a lawyer but how can you
|detain someone if they aren't under arrest...? Disrespect of the
|court could be a contempt charge.
|u/Hussaf - 1 month
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|But there wasn’t a contempt charge
|u/TurnkeyLurker - 1 month
|
|Oh! Just the judge being a jerk. 👍
|u/MaximumKnow - 1 month
|
|Absolutely delusional of the judge. Always scary to know
|that some of our most sacred public positions are held by
|weirdos and freaks. Just order her out of the court if you
|feel she is disrespecting it, dont mock arrest her. Jesus.
|u/RTukka - 1 month
|
|Yeah, he tried to justify it as being a "scared straight"
|tactic, but he's a fucking judge. He shouldn't be playing
|fast and loose using his courtroom to try to replicate a
|notorious documentary/program that studies have shown was
|ineffective if not counterproductive to its stated goals.
|Also, from the way he talks, it feels to me like he
|_wanted_ an opportunity to make an example of someone to
|play out his Scared Straight role-play fantasy, and
|therefore I find it a bit suspicious that there just
|happened to be someone in the field trip group who kept
|falling asleep in his courtroom to give him that
|opportunity. I would not be surprised if he was outright
|lying about her falling asleep, particularly given that he
|makes comments about her "whole attitude and disposition"
|which is possibly code for "I didn't like the way she
|looked, and she didn't call me 'your honor' when she tried
|to defend herself against my false accusations."
|u/Mike-the-gay - 1 month
|
|You detain before you arrest because you don’t have enough to
|arrest so you can investigate. Not all detentions result in
|arrest.
|u/-CJF- - 1 month
|
|Yeah but in this context what kind of investigation is
|necessary? It's a teenager on a field trip vs . a judge on a
|power trip. He even said he had no intention of having her
|arrested and was just trying to send a message.
|u/Kazuma_Megu - 1 month
|
|I live just a few miles away from Marion, KS where that newspaper
|raid happened that's been in the news. The police chief behind it
|is facing felony charges and has (supposedly according to the paper)
|fled to Hawaii. The judge who signed off on the raid was not
|punished after having to appear in front of a disciplinary
|panel...of other judges. At least for once the dirty cops are
|facing the music. The City is losing its ass in lawsuits over the
|whole deal, which unfortunately, is a ton of money for a really
|small town like that. The taxes will likely skyrocket and the ones
|left holding the bag will be the run of the mill citizens.
|Obligatory abolish qualified immunity comment as well.
|u/Jimid41 - 1 month
|
|The judge's reasoning: You must understand, citizens must fear me.
|u/DamonFields - 1 month
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|Sleeping in court is only allowed for elderly, drug addled rich
|criminals.
|u/VSythe998 - 1 month
|
|The Snooze Criminal.
|u/theeandroid - 1 month
|
|Annie are you ok?
|u/squirrel_tincture - 1 month
|
|_Ivanka are you okay, are you okay Ivanka?_
|u/dlanod - 1 month
|
|And/or judges.
|u/SandiaRaptor - 1 month
|
|You mean weird Don Snoreleone, right?
|u/medicated_in_PHL - 1 month
|
|Who shit their pants.
|u/Turd-Nug - 1 month
|
|You forgot SCOTUS Justice Thomas, fucker falls asleep during oral
|arguments from the attorneys in front of him…but I guess he falls
|into one or more of your categories mentioned.
|u/HiNeighbor_ - 1 month
|
|That's a paddlin'
|u/Self-Comprehensive - 1 month
|
|You better believe that's a paddlin'.
|u/Swollen_Beef - 1 month
|
|I hoped someone beat me to it. You have not disappointed.
|u/Eleventhelegy - 1 month
|
|We have the best field trips…because of jail.
|u/Ruining_Ur_Synths - 1 month
|
|amazingly enough, this 16 year old has learned everything she needs to
|know about the "justice" system in this one field trip - cuffed and
|stripped of her possessions, threatened with jail, with no crime
|committed and all because of the ego of a power tripping official.
|This judge should be removed permanently.
|u/quackerzdb - 1 month
|
|Land of the free baby!
|u/7f00dbbe - 1 month
|
|>King told the Free Press he was not aware of what the specific rules or
|procedure might be for requiring a juvenile to change clothes at the
|court house. Sounds like a fucking judge should know that shit....
|u/krozarEQ - 1 month
|
|Worked in juvenile probation and detention. I've never heard of such.
|The jumpsuits are at the juvenile detention facility, not the
|courthouse. The juvenile facility has its own courtroom. The kids only
|go downtown (main courthouse) if it's a jury trial which isn't very
|often. In such a case their lawyer will have mom/dad/grandma bring
|some proper clothes they can put on before transfer. Maybe the
|courthouse has some adult jail clothes they can wear. Otherwise,
|someone from the facility would have to stop what they're doing to
|drive over there to deliver some Bob Barkers. That seems pointless
|really. There's nothing special about the clothes. They're ordered in
|bulk [from a brochure/website](https://www.bobbarker.com/valueline-
|jumpsuits-s3xl?quantity=1&color=86) and placed in a closet. It doesn't
|'change' anyone to put on a jumper. At least I've never seen that
|happen. I guess he could order a few pairs to keep around if he wants
|to make this a normal routine of his. I'm sure he got some lip out of
|her and that pissed him off. But all he's doing is wasting everyone's
|time, including those who have a real court date. Everyone else has to
|deal with lip every day. Part of the job. Don't know what area of law
|he presides over, but I'd wager to guess he doesn't normally have to
|deal with that. I've had kids try to attack our regular judges. At
|which point the judge just says something sarcastic, gets up and
|leaves. As for him knowing: I wouldn't expect him to know. That's not
|something he has to deal with but expects others to deal with it.
|Although that's something his bailiff signed on for, I guess. I don't
|see any chance of the juvenile ending up in detention and he better
|not expect someone over there to do an intake. Juvenile intakes are
|very time-intensive and there's zero reason to not have her stay in
|the custody of her guardian/parent unless something horrific is
|uncovered.
|u/BigbooTho - 1 month
|
|as to your last paragraph, if he has the god damn clothes on hand he
|better well know what the implications are of him trying to force a
|god damned minor to strip in the courthouse and change into the
|jumpsuit he apparently brings to work.
|u/homerj - 1 month
|
|I'm curious if you think he did something he should be disciplined
|for
|u/iwillc - 1 month
|
|I’m at a loss to even describe what this story highlights! Was the
|judge so lacking in meting out justice that day that he needed to
|stroke his ego in front of a group of teens? judge: whoa ho ho, look
|at the power I have! Mwahahaha
|u/SalukiKnightX - 1 month
|
|Sounds like an abuse of power
|u/charliemike - 1 month
|
|Sounds like a prolapsed asshole of a human being
|u/SeeisforComedy - 1 month
|
|Hey now leave the prolapsed assholes out of this.
|u/The-Lord-Moccasin - 1 month
|
|Yeah, they've suffered in the line of doody.
|u/Real-Ad-9733 - 1 month
|
|He’s a small man wielding power that he sought out.
|u/GamerGriffin548 - 1 month
|
|I think her parents outta sue. That would scare that judge
|straight. Since he believes in that shit.
|u/SpeedBlitzX - 1 month
|
|His reaction and choice to punish a teenager for no reason other
|than they were sleeping seems like an unethical response to me.
|u/polish432b - 1 month
|
|Oh, he spoke to her parents. Offered to mentor her. 🙄
|u/GamerGriffin548 - 1 month
|
|Wooooooow. What a dickhead.
|u/skyerippa - 1 month
|
|Yeah wtf. Let's humilate and potentially traumatize a teen girl
|because she dared to be tired???
|u/FigaroNeptune - 1 month
|
|Wooooo I’d sue on her behalf! Fuck that guy!
|u/Into-It_Over-It - 1 month
|
|Well, his actions may, in fact, be criminal. While the kid's
|parents might levy a tort against the judge, I think the only
|thing that the judge would understand is jail time, a
|disbarrment, and a full revocation of his pension. This fucker
|should be *ruined.*
|u/confusedandtired247 - 1 month
|
|Kids falling asleep in class can be an indication that there’s
|trouble at home. He shouldn’t have approached this with compassion
|and not his twisted version of justice *edit* he should have
|approached this with compassion
|u/Master_of_Snek - 1 month
|
|Judges are really generally the scum of the earth. If you think a
|cop with a bruised ego is bad, a judge with a bruised ego is
|infinitely worse. I’ve had the misfortune of knowing several
|socially as well as professionally and they really believe to their
|core that everyone who isn’t a judge is a simpleton child who must
|be *disciplined*, even lawyers with a stronger legal education than
|themselves. This goes for even the most liberal judges. When I
|volunteered for the ACLU in college we worked with a woman who was
|sentenced to 90 days in jail for sneezing three times in a row
|during a custody hearing. It took over 4 years for the judge to face
|any discipline and I’ll always remember his smug, laughing face as
|we left that hearing. Ruining this woman’s life was literally
|nothing to him. 
|u/Big-Summer- - 1 month
|
|How the fuck can someone control a sneeze?
|u/Haltopen - 1 month
|
|You cant, trying to hold in a sneeze will cause absolutely
|delightful complications like ruptured ear drums, ruptured blood
|vessels in the face, potential rupture of a brain aneurism or
|fractured ribs
|u/thescarlettflame - 1 month
|
|Honestly if that happened the douchebag judge would probably
|sentence her to even longer in jail ugh
|u/KyoMeetch - 1 month
|
|I’m a lawyer. I’ve had a lot of decent judges who are fair and
|seem like normal down to earth people. I’ve also had absolute
|power tripping assholes. I’m in immigration and family courts
|though so I wouldn’t be surprised if the judges in criminal court
|are weirder.
|u/Master_of_Snek - 1 month
|
|See that’s what always got me.  The judges we would be
|investigating for serious acts of impropriety *were* all
|generally well-regarded members of the judiciary. Then one day
|they make a decision that seems entirely out of character, but
|members of their staff would detail a steady ethical decline
|over the course of years. Small comments here and there that
|suddenly, when looked back upon, would imply bias or
|predetermination.  I believe it’s a cursed position, and even
|the most well intentioned people succumb to a crushing egoism. 
|I’ve seen enough to know that a judge is one of the most
|dangerous people you will ever meet, and the system they’re a
|part of *can* be easily leveraged to ruin your life in a
|blitzkrieg of legal troubles. By the time your case of judicial
|abuse gets to people like the ACLU your life/reputation/finances
|have already been effectively destroyed. 
|u/tjdux - 1 month
|
|>I’ve seen enough to know that a judge is one of the most
|dangerous people you will ever meet, I feel the line about
|absolute power absolutely corrupts fits this situation.
|Especially if you apply it to the Supreme Court
|u/LirielsWhisper - 1 month
|
|I don't think it corrupts. I think it **reveals**. Because
|when you have the power to do what you want, you do what you
|want. People like this were always like this. They were only
|constrained by their lack of power.
|u/SailoLee92 - 1 month
|
|That absolutely unhinged court transcript that got turned into
|[a Rick and Morty
|sketch](https://youtu.be/7vN_PEmeKb0?si=aM7IDU1r6VXVaIzh) comes
|to mind.
|u/lightorangelamp - 1 month
|
|What does disrespect have to do with interpreting the law? Lol
|that’s ridiculous
|u/shaidyn - 1 month
|
|Lines up with my experience. The number of judges who get caught
|in traffic violations and honest to god think that the law simply
|does not apply to them is jaw dropping.
|u/Mesemom - 1 month
|
|I went to court once for a traffic citation (dismissed but not
|relevant anyway). At some point the bailiff slips the judge a
|message. Judge takes a quick look and starts lecturing us:
|“Someone in this room has disrespected the court by parking
|their car in an illegal space that is clearly marked as . . . .
|Oh. Wait.” He reads further, sees the license plate number, and
|immediately drops the righteous tone. He says, “Bailiff, that’s
|my car. Here, take my keys and go move it, would you?” And then
|he just moves on, no biggie, even though he’d been all ready to
|berate us (and fine somebody) for failing to obey the parking
|lot rules. 🙄
|u/Ezira - 1 month
|
|The last time I had jury duty, a judge passed me in a no-passing
|area, going about 90 mph. They even get special license plates.
|u/Queef_Stroganoff44 - 1 month
|
|20 years ago my friend got pulled over in a tiny town for
|having too dark of tint. He was legal by state standards, but
|this tiny ass town of maybe 600 people and 1/4 mile of highway
|frontage had a municipal law that made him too dark. Anyway
|he didn’t want to have to drive all the way back to fight it
|so he called and asked just how to pay it. This was in the
|days of hand written check. The clerk told him just send a
|check. He asked who to make it out to. “Oh just THE JUDGE’S
|NAME.” My mom kept books for a dairy and they were always
|getting overweight tickets in podunk counties because it was
|less money to take an overweight than to run a second truck.
|She said she was always writing checks for fines and making
|payable to judge’s personal name.
|u/screech_owl_kachina - 1 month
|
|The problem is, they're largely right, it doesn't apply to them.
|u/Rock4evur - 1 month
|
|Look into the cash for kids scandal. A judge and and an owner of a
|juvenile detention center colluded to keep to packed to the gills.
|The only reason they were caught was because they were just so
|stupid about their financial transactions. Any judge can do
|exactly what they did, but just say it was based on ideological
|grounds (which they do) and they’re fine.
|u/ColdHardPocketChange - 1 month
|
|No kidding regarding judges being the scum of the earth. I was an
|alternate juror on a criminal trial. At the end of the trial,
|myself and the other alternate were not allowed to attend
|deliberations since they had any otherwise full jury pool. The
|judge required us to stay in his chambers for his personal
|entertainment till the deliberations were over. He held us captive
|for roughly an hour, and the entire time he acted if he was god's
|gift to morality and ethics. He did not want us to speak unless we
|were answering his questions. His primary message was that it
|didn't matter if the jury made the right decision, the defendant
|was convicted, and his life was irreparably damaged. He believed
|it simply shouldn't bother us at all. Now had the DA's actually
|brought real evidence, then it would have made some sense. The
|reality is that they had zero evidence to support their claim. It
|was simply one man's word against another, and the "victim" seemed
|like he was the one that should have been on trial. The judge did
|not care one bit about the facts presented during the case and
|would have gladly sent this guy to jail and ruined his life on
|zero evidence. The day did have a happy ending though as the
|jury decided not guilty. It still left me thinking how poorly this
|could have gone if the defendant didn't have a jury to decide the
|case.
|u/Frebu - 1 month
|
|It sounds like kidnapping, he detained her and forced actions upon
|her with no legal power to do so. The judge needs a lesson of his
|own, 30 days in county might just provide it.
|u/LDKCP - 1 month
|
|Sounds like an illegal use of power, or at least it should be.
|Just ask her to leave.
|u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka - 1 month
|
|Sounds like a sweeping reform of judges and police needs to happen
|because way too many trash people get into positions of power for
|no good reason other than the fact that good people have zero
|incentive to do these jobs due to how the entire world is obsessed
|with money. What a flawed world society.
|u/Enraiha - 1 month
|
|Like the majority of judges in this country. They're same as cops,
|just less of em. Many think of their courts as fiefdoms. I was in a
|courtroom where someone in the back sighed and rolled their eyes as
|they had been waiting to be called over nearly 2 hours for a status
|hearing. The judge proceeded to rip into them for 2 minutes about
|proper court conduct. They then let the judge know they had
|attempted to contact the prosecutor with information to get the case
|continued but they never responded despite repeated contacts and the
|person had call logs. They said they didn't want to waste the court
|or their time if unnecessary and were frustrated. The judge just
|stammered and said we'll get to you next and offered no apology for
|his overblown and arrogant response. I have a bunch of little
|things like that I've witnessed over 7 years working for city
|government. But yeah, judges are usually pretty shitty people who
|are often full of themselves with little humility.
|u/SlothinaHammock - 1 month
|
|Judges masturbate to themselves. They get off on abusing power. It
|makes them tick.
|u/NewFuturist - 1 month
|
|Now if you're facing a judge for a reason, maybe you deserve to be
|there, maybe not. But imagine being wide awake in jail because of
|either noise or because someone threatened you. You end up in court
|and this guy gives you extra time because you fell asleep because
|your life was at risk. Every single case by this guy should be
|reviewed.
|u/LadnavIV - 1 month
|
|You left out the best part: >King told WXYZ that he spoke to the
|girl’s parents and offered to be a mentor. Fucking delusional. The
|guy is completely detached from reality.
|u/spyddarnaut - 1 month
|
|Sounds like he’s an effin predator.  Situation is ripe for all sorts
|of illegal behaviors with a minor. 
|u/Imfrank123 - 1 month
|
|Yeah people just don’t offer too “mentor” random kids they don’t
|know. Creepy af
|u/Fifteen_inches - 1 month
|
|Someone better check his phone and computer.
|u/RadiantPKK - 1 month
|
|Someone could told me this was a Matt Gaetz quote and I’d have
|believed them. Made me cringe. Hope this gets looked into. 
|u/OldMaidLibrarian - 1 month
|
|Call me crazy, but I'm getting power-tripping/sexual harassment
|vibes from this guy. (I'd say "pedophile", but she's 16, so it may
|not apply there.) He clearly gets off on being able to control
|people, I suspect women in particular, and if I were her parents, I
|wouldn't want him anywhere near my kid! Tired is not disrespect;
|it's *tired*. **Big damn difference!**
|u/flamingbunghole - 1 month
|
|Yeah I was already thinking that, then I read the part where he
|offered to be her mentor … that is sickening
|u/BisquickNinja - 1 month
|
|Most definitely if there is anything funny, it's going to be," We
|reviewed ourselves and we found out that we did nothing wrong"...
|Because judicial immunity is a real thing.
|u/adhesivepants - 1 month
|
|Tired or even just bored. It's a teenager and court is boring.
|People fall asleep all the damn time in court. People ON THE JURY
|fall asleep all the time. Because court is boring. You're there
|for a long ass time. The rooms are kept at this light level that
|feels designed to make you sleepy. Any judge getting mad at
|someone being BORED around them frankly shouldn't be a LAWYER let
|alone a fucking judge.
|u/Illustrious_Toe_4755 - 1 month
|
|Got the same feeling. Judge gives off a power tripping, smug
|attitude. And if he did this to a non criminal child, I can only
|imagine his usual courtroom thinking. Our legal system is in
|shambles, judges, lawyers need to be held accountable for the
|slightest infractions. They should be even more accountable and
|held to much higher standards .
|u/boblywobly99 - 1 month
|
|yea, let me show you my power, then use your parents (and their
|authority) to get close to you and have authority over you. Dude
|sounds like a grooming rapist.
|u/nerdywhitemale - 1 month
|
|Just what she needs the person who traumatised her to be given a
|position of power over her.
|u/Mormaethor - 1 month
|
|"even though there's PROBABLY no real chance of me putting her in
|jail". Nah. That wasn't a scared straight approach, if that's his
|statement, he literally tried to lock her up.
|u/TheHowlingHashira - 1 month
|
|He literally said: >Was I really going to do that? Probably not.
|Could I have? Probably so. Dude was straight up power
|tripping. Holy shit.
|u/frootloopsxx - 1 month
|
|Rephrased to "even though what I did was probably not legal, I wanted
|to traumatize children"
|u/Pugsley-Doo - 1 month
|
|"and I got big chubby boner doing it, and would like access to her,
|to do it again - its my kink"
|u/zannet_t - 1 month
|
|"Probably" Fuck off, dude. And it makes me sad that some parents
|would probably approve of this insane approach to life and education.
|u/VigilantMike - 1 month
|
|Kenneth King needs to be removed from his job. He’s not trustworthy of
|making sound decisions.
|u/throwmamadownthewell - 1 month
|
|Honestly, he should be removed from his position, have his
|credentials revoked and have his prior cases put under a microscope.
|u/meatball77 - 1 month
|
|What an asshole and an absurd power trip. Maybe she couldn't sleep
|because she had to work the night before, or had to care for her
|siblings or parent. Regardless scaring kids doesn't actually make
|them behave differently.
|u/Adariel - 1 month
|
|Or seriously maybe she was just was up late doing homework! I went
|to a gifted & talented magnet school for middle school, most of us
|were even taking freshman honors biology at the nearby high school
|after class (as in, a whole extra period until past 4pm!) and I
|remember almost falling asleep myself during our field trip to the
|courthouse. We were all pretty much the straight A, perfectionist,
|don't-dare-do-anything-wrong types and at least a third of the class
|were still falling asleep. There are a million reasons why students
|can be falling asleep in class and for him to throw a fit over the
|"disrespect" says more about him and his ego than the student.
|u/EducationalTangelo6 - 1 month
|
|Scared straight? Or scared into traumatic insomnia? What a fucking
|asshole.
|u/SemiHemiDemiDumb - 1 month
|
|Scared straight doesn't even work. Judge is just on a power trip.
|https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306624X20909239
|u/meatball402 - 1 month
|
|>“I wanted this to look and feel very real to her, even though there’s
|**probably** no real chance of me putting her in jail. That was my own
|version of ‘Scared Straight,’” Yeah, what he means is he'll let her
|slide if he remembers her at the court date, which is months away. If
|he's forgotten, he's throwing the book at her.
|u/Virginity_Lost_Today - 1 month
|
|Also isn’t the Scared Straight program really ineffective and shitty
|for no reason?
|u/firestorm713 - 1 month
|
|I don't know about programs, but I do know about the [Elán
|School](https://elan.school/)
|u/Daisychains456 - 1 month
|
|It gets worse!  She was a freaking volunteer, not a juvenile
|offender. 
|u/Daisychains456 - 1 month
|
|She was [with The Greening of
|Detroit](https://www.greeningofdetroit.com/), which does job
|training, among many other things.
|u/FM-96 - 1 month
|
|I mean... yes? I don't think anyone thought the "teenager on a
|field trip to see a Detroit court" was a criminal.
|u/Newcago - 1 month
|
|The "probably" was also lowkey insane. What do you mean there's
|"probably" no chance of putting her in jail? SHE HAS COMMITTED ZERO
|CRIMES. Why are you even pretending?? What sort of weird power trip
|are you playing at??
|u/MicroCarboxulator - 1 month
|
|This is 100% abuse of power, and a civil court case awaiting. 
|Fucking 16 years old, Jesus Christ.  Is there anything else better
|for you to do other than have a power-trip?!
|u/MyTafel - 1 month
|
|It was just a field trip though. Not scare straight right? These kids
|didn’t do anything bad to end up at the court room?
|u/Ronin_Y2K - 1 month
|
|[From the Detroit Free Press](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/mic
|higan/detroit/2024/08/14/detroit-judge-forces-teen-who-fell-asleep-on-
|field-trip-into-handcuffs/74794293007/) >While King defended his
|actions, he also told the Free Press **the entire encounter has been
|blown out of proportion and is traumatizing for him as well.** Fuck
|this dude
|u/hibelly - 1 month
|
|He's literally "traumatized" by *his own actions.* Wild.
|u/dukeoftrappington - 1 month
|
|You’d think a judge would be familiar with actions having
|consequences.
|u/Smartalec821 - 1 month
|
|Let's put him in cuffs and prison clothes so he can understand the
|gravity of his actions
|u/Firther1 - 1 month
|
|Then lets put it to an internet poll to see if he goes to jail or
|not
|u/slim_mclean - 1 month
|
|Oh no, the trauma of the consequences of your own wild actions.
|u/NoConfusion9490 - 1 month
|
|He abuses his power all the time and no one usually cares. Need to
|review all of his sentencing orders to see how many people got
|punished because he "didn't like their attitude."
|u/jeffriesjimmy625 - 1 month
|
|He needs to be fired.
|u/mces97 - 1 month
|
|I know judges have a lot of immunity privileges, but I believe she
|should 100% be allowed to sue him. She wasn't a defendant, she wasn't
|mandated to be there, and she's a child. He doesn't know why she fell
|asleep. He doesn't know if her family is abusive or maybe she has a
|sleep disorder, or anything that might have made her doze off. He
|overstepped his bounds big time.
|u/Orcrist90 - 1 month
|
|Judicial immunity in Michigan does not apply if the judge was found to
|be acting outside their judicial authority, which I'm sure they could
|certainly argue in regards to Judge King. If nothing else, they can
|file a grievance with the state's Judicial Tenure Commission.
|u/LackingUtility - 1 month
|
|Yeah. He was teaching a class field trip, not running court. She
|wasn’t a defendant or jury member, but a student. While it’s “nice”
|that he takes time *out of his day* to present to field trips (or
|would be if he wasn’t an asshole), I don’t see this falling under
|his official judicial authority such that immunity would apply.
|u/Jaerin - 1 month
|
|It feels like a lot of judges feel that immunity applies all the
|time even outside the courtroom. That they are always supposed to
|be treated with some higher level of respect or else they will use
|their power against you.
|u/coltaaan - 1 month
|
|Right?? This is crazy! I feel like we must be missing pieces of the
|story too though. Like it’s a field trip, were there chaperones or
|teachers accompanying the kids who allowed this to happen? Did he
|interrupt a court session to chastise this girl and make her change
|clothes and get cuffed?? Court rooms are usually full of people:
|stenographers, attorneys, juries, defendant(s), bailiffs, etc. Did
|none of them question this? Makes me question a whole lot more than
|just this judge if she really was just falling asleep as an audience
|member.
|u/Shumina-Ghost - 1 month
|
|That’ll show her that the Justice system in the USA is the pinnacle of
|human rights and freedom! She was falling asleep. Maybe she was tired?
|Or court is mind bogglingly boring? Or she just had lunch? I dunno, man,
|seems like the judge lacks empathy, a quality I personally think our
|judges should have. Wanna be tough on crime? Maybe wait until someone
|commits a crime. Last I heard, if a judge doesn’t like your conduct in
|their court, they can have you leave. What a weird power trip of a move.
|u/lothar74 - 1 month
|
|This is perfect example of why this judge should be removed from
|office- clearly not able to treat people as humans or with any type of
|understanding. I cannot imagine what he does to criminals.
|u/ddgr815 - 1 month
|
|>I cannot imagine what he does to criminals. [He let one with a
|badge get away with killing a man
|recently.](https://apnews.com/article/detroit-officer-charged-fatal-
|punch-1b115e54cbbbf412a8b6d2b705867eb3) [The crime was caught on
|video, but the case was dismissed for lack of
|evidence.](https://www.wxyz.com/news/wayne-county-jugdge-upholds-
|dismissing-manslaughter-charges-against-ex-dpd-officer)
|u/hogsucker - 1 month
|
|A cop killed a 70 year old man on video. Two different police
|commisioners wanted the killer to be prosecuted. Judge King seems
|like a real piece of shit.
|u/SinkHoleDeMayo - 1 month
|
|People are saying that Judge King is a giant piece of shit.
|Good, smart people are saying it.
|u/Mirwin11 - 1 month
|
|People are talking and bringing attention to #Judge Kenneth
|King?
|u/dudemanguylimited - 1 month
|
|# Judge Kenneth King of the 36th District Court?
|[https://www.36thdistrictcourt.org/about-us/judges/kenneth-
|j-king](https://www.36thdistrictcourt.org/about-
|us/judges/kenneth-j-king)
|u/Time_Reputation3573 - 1 month
|
|The best people?
|u/mysteryweapon - 1 month
|
|We’re talking about the piece of shit judge kenneth king right?
|u/lothar74 - 1 month
|
|Thanks for the comment- the judge is even worse than I imagined.
|u/Hotpandapickle - 1 month
|
|Caught on video wasn't evidence enough apparently.....
|u/realitythreek - 1 month
|
|The judge was trying to teach her a lesson. So teach him one. Don’t
|respect civil rights? Believe it or not, out of a job.
|u/moonbunnychan - 1 month
|
|The lesson he taught her was that people in positions of power can
|and will fuck you over.
|u/IICVX - 1 month
|
|Which is actually something most teenagers are actively aware of
|- there's a reason people stereotype teens as being "surly" and
|"disrespectful"
|u/Diligent-Tangerine87 - 1 month
|
|Our system makes it nearly impossible to fire judges. Even when
|they do things like
|[this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal)
|u/FaustsAccountant - 1 month
|
|Well he did offer to be her mentor. He’d be the last person I’d
|want near much less have influence power over her.
|u/GreekMonolith - 1 month
|
|It somehow manages to blur the line between impartiality and
|empathy. Imagine being so high on your own supply that you couldn’t
|*even imagine* falling asleep in this scenario.
|u/fug_shid - 1 month
|
|Did anyone catch this part af the end? >King told WXYZ that he
|spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a mentor. Judge
|comes off like a real weirdo
|u/Hotpandapickle - 1 month
|
|Predator vibes
|u/donuthing - 1 month
|
|Many judges actively choose to ignore laws in order to meet internal
|quotas, avoid doing paperwork, or simply because they don't feel
|like it.
|u/angryspec - 1 month
|
|I read somewhere they have done studies that show judges give
|harsher sentences the closer to lunch it is. They literally get
|hangry. What I’m getting at is we can’t even rely on them to be
|impartial if their tummies are rumbly.
|u/Immersi0nn - 1 month
|
|It's true across well...anything. It's the human condition, if
|you want better *anything* from a person, find them after lunch.
|u/Inevitable-Careerist - 1 month
|
|A study on this was discussed in the book The Power of Habit, I
|believe. It has a Wikipedia entry -- [the Hungry Judge
|effect.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_judge_effect)
|u/lothar74 - 1 month
|
|I do not think there are any quotas on jailing kids visiting a
|courtroom on a school field trip. The guy is not fit to serve as
|a judge and deserves to be sanctioned. It’s a complete abuse of
|power by someone who clearly thinks he is better than anyone in
|his courtroom.
|u/Toucan_Son_of_Sam - 1 month
|
|[Cash for kids scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_c
|ash_scandal#:~:text=In%202008%2C%20judges%20Michael%20Conahan,op
|erated%20by%20PA%20Child%20Care.)
|u/Hotpandapickle - 1 month
|
|I had forgot about that 🙁
|u/wizean - 1 month
|
|Now that its established courtroom trips are very dangerous,
|schools should not do them again.
|u/SomeEstimate1446 - 1 month
|
|Maybe not quotas but more than a few judges have been hit with
|bribes to fill juvenile detention centers and more.
|u/Nubsondubs - 1 month
|
|> I do not think there are any quotas on jailing kids [While
|it's not strictly a
|quota...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal)
|u/phenerganandpoprocks - 1 month
|
|The real crime would have been ignoring the money— vacation
|homes don’t pay for themselves
|u/phenerganandpoprocks - 1 month
|
|Look buddy, this road carriage won’t pay for itself
|u/Zhuul - 1 month
|
|I've been following the Young Thug case through RebMasel (who is
|fucking hilarious and you should follow her) and oh my god it's
|infuriating. There's this thing called the Brady Rule, where if
|the prosecution deliberately withholds any evidence from the
|defense, the case is dismissed. Full stop, in the event of a Brady
|violation, the case is supposed to be thrown out - it's a BIG
|DEAL. In fact, a single Brady violation is what got Alec Baldwin's
|case thrown into the trash. In Young Thug's trial the prosecution
|has committed MULTIPLE Brady Violations and the judge is... making
|them sit through a powerpoint presentation or some shit. It's
|absolutely wild.
|u/RedMonk01 - 1 month
|
|His term is up in 2027. [https://ballotpedia.org/Kenneth\_J.\_King\_
|(Michigan)](https://ballotpedia.org/Kenneth_J._King_(Michigan))
|u/lothar74 - 1 month
|
|He can cause so much more damage in the next 3 years.
|u/ShaggysGTI - 1 month
|
|Well it’s only going to happen if we make enough ruckus about it…
|u/Daisychains456 - 1 month
|
|And she was there with a nonprofit group!    The article then says
|the nutjob judge offered to mentor her to her parents.   WTAF?
|u/RedShirtDecoy - 1 month
|
|From the google results when you search for "Greening of Detroit"
|>"We are a non profit environmental group located in Detroit
|Michigan. We plant trees, provide green jobs and job training for
|adults and youth."
|u/lafayette0508 - 1 month
|
|I thought maybe that last line is supposed to say "Dubin offered to
|be her mentor." (The law professor they just quoted). I'm honestly
|not sure which is more likely, but I lean towards the typo. ETA:
|I'm wrong. A local tv news clip posted elsewhere on the thread says
|that King, the judge, talked to the girl's parents and "hopes to be
|her mentor." Eeew.
|u/jgranger221 - 1 month
|
|If it were my daughter, I'd take him up on the offer, then kick his
|ass once we were in the same room.
|u/vegeta_bless - 1 month
|
|Kids falling asleep in class can also be a sign of trouble at home
|that some teachers look out for. This judge is a fuckin chode
|u/MooPig48 - 1 month
|
|Or, a medical issue!
|u/fablicful - 1 month
|
|Exactly! I developed narcolepsy as a teen, I would fall asleep all
|the time in class- and it's not like I wanted to! I couldn't help
|it! It took me 2 decades later to find out being excessively
|sleepy all the time wasn't normal and get a sleep study. Eff this
|shit. There's sooo many reasons kids can fall asleep and even if
|she was just bored (hey, who wasn't bored at times in school?)-
|this response is egregious and unacceptable!
|u/SpearandMagicHelmet - 1 month
|
|And he took it as an afront to his ego.
|u/gimmedatRN - 1 month
|
|For real. Imagine having a sleep disorder and being humiliated in
|front of everyone like this!
|u/voidybug - 1 month
|
|I was thinking maybe she's up late every night working, either for
|herself or her family it really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter
|anyways. Even if she has no excuse and was rude, this doesn't teach
|her anything but that the court systems are a joke.
|u/RandyHoward - 1 month
|
|Yeah this pisses me off. In high school I'd fall asleep in history
|class, partly because the teacher was boring, but mostly because I
|never got a good night's sleep at home due to the abuse from my
|parents fueled by their drug addiction. That teacher never inquired
|why I was falling asleep in class often, instead I'd get reprimanded
|and assigned extra work.
|u/taxen - 1 month
|
|Apparently the mother has made an interview and it's true that there
|are trouble at "home" in the sense that they currently do not have a
|permanent residence of their own. >Hill says Goodman was falling
|asleep because the family does not have a permanent residence at the
|moment, and are just trying to make ends meet. [Mom of teen who was
|placed in handcuffs by Detroit judge on field trip breaks
|silence](https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/just-awful-mom-of-
|teen-who-was-placed-in-handcuffs-by-detroit-judge-on-field-trip-
|breaks-silence)
|u/elielephant - 1 month
|
|Oh man, this link needs to be pinned to the top. This mama broke
|my heart. I am so sad for this child and her family.
|u/taxen - 1 month
|
|Yeah, I hope she has definitely learned a lesson not being a
|tired teenagers due to not having a permanent residence. This
|will really help her avoid being a criminal. Go King! / In all
|honestly it's really sad and by reading the moms interview
|hearing the daughter is a volunteer in that kind of
|organisations, she is most likely someone who will succeed and
|be something good in the future. She is the last person that
|needed this "lecture".
|u/TheSharkAndMrFritz - 1 month
|
|Also teenagers just need a lot of sleep, and maybe she stayed up
|late the night before. I used to fall asleep in school around late
|morning.
|u/ContempoCasuals - 1 month
|
|Yup I would sleep in my study class almost every day, I was so
|tired as a teenager I still need minimum 7 hours just to function.
|5 hours sleep and I can’t safely drive to work.
|u/Spudtron98 - 1 month
|
|I honestly think it's mostly just the fact that American school
|hours are needlessly early and cutting into valuable sleep time.
|u/_lemon_suplex_ - 1 month
|
|could also just be fucking sleep apnea or maybe she was severely
|overworked. Judge is a psychopath
|u/Romanscott618 - 1 month
|
|As an attorney, can confirm: court is mind bogglingly boring
|u/NoseAffectionate6200 - 1 month
|
|What really caught my attention was how he stressed he didn't like her
|*attitude*, which honestly then it became a pissing match for him and
|he was gonna show her who's boss. Trying to come from a place of
|teaching her a lesson and even offering to be her mentor falls pretty
|empty considering his actions. And yes, she was there on a field trip,
|not as a defendant in his court. All he had to do is ask her leave.
|Putting her in jail clothes and handcuffs only demonstrates to her
|justice isn't blind, and it can be downright petty.
|u/pandershrek - 1 month
|
|We even have it written into our law: cruel and unusual punishment.
|If this is not a clear example I dunno
|u/PetalumaPegleg - 1 month
|
|The worst part is defending in the cold light of day. If he lost
|patience with a rowdy bunch of teens and lost his temper and
|overreacted and apologized? Ok I can live with that. Also shows adults
|can make mistakes and apologize. Doubling down after and offering to
|be a mentor? Gtafoh
|u/Shumina-Ghost - 1 month
|
|Right? Total lack of awareness.
|u/hedoeswhathewants - 1 month
|
|One time I fell asleep in a class taught by an infamously strict
|teacher. I sat front and center, so when I woke up later I thought I
|was dead when she asked to speak with me after class. But she just
|asked if I was feeling well and if everything was ok. I respected her
|a lot more after that day.
|u/Devium92 - 1 month
|
|Or an issue with food insecurity at home, an issue with other people
|in the house having personal issues or volume things like fighting,
|weird work hours having people coming and going, new baby sibling, or
|just a neighbourhood that is a bit louder in general. So many
|reasons why they would have been tired. But the bullshit choice of
|"you are now arrested, get fucked" is NOT the answer.
|u/Maleficent_Mist366 - 1 month
|
|The judge should be in jail along with who ever the officer that went
|along with this bs
|u/CurseofLono88 - 1 month
|
|Depending on the state she might not have even had lunch, because kids
|get fucked over while politicians, and judges, get free lunches, at or
|expense.
|u/CelestialFury - 1 month
|
|What the fuck is the lesson here for her? Classmates didn’t help her,
|the other people around the judge didn’t stop this and the judge was
|powertripping on her. The lesson is, that the justice system is just a
|name because this ain’t justice. This judge: How dare you fall asleep
|which is very normal for teenagers as they’re still growing and don’t
|get all the sleep they should due to the education system setup for the
|adults, not the kids! I’m going to lock you up for doing nothing wrong!!
|u/Minxmorty - 1 month
|
|He said he didn’t like her attitude…like bro… have you ever met a
|teenager?!? The fact that he offered to “mentor” her is really creepy.
|You want alone time with the girl you humiliated and traumatized?
|There’s so many red flags around this guy.
|u/No-Trouble-889 - 1 month
|
|The real lesson here is the world is full of psychopaths who would not
|hesitate to ruin your life on a whim. 
|u/DOLCICUS - 1 month
|
|Yeah and then they wonder why we don’t respect authority
|u/LDKCP - 1 month
|
|We often give power to the people who want it a little too much.
|u/shaidyn - 1 month
|
|The problem with humanity as a whole is that the people who want to
|abuse power seek out power.
|u/LDKCP - 1 month
|
|We also do an awful job of stripping power from people that abuse
|it. This person shouldn't be a judge. This person will
|continue being a judge.
|u/TheGrumpyCisco - 1 month
|
|Once power is attained, it is very difficult to strip away.
|Power solidifies itself.
|u/Automatic_Llama - 1 month
|
|"But I don't wanna be president. I just want to volunteer at the
|shelter and tend my garden." "Tough. Put on the suit, Herman."
|u/servant_of_breq - 1 month
|
|I think we all know what he was really thinking/hoping would happen to
|her
|u/GiftoftheGeek - 1 month
|
|> “It was her whole attitude and her whole disposition that disturbed
|me,” the judge told WXYZ. “I wanted to get through to her, show how
|serious this is and how you are to conduct yourself inside of a
|courtroom.” You aren't that important. There's no law against yawning
|in a courtroom, so it's not particularly serious. I guess you helped get
|through to her that gross adults like to act out their bizarre power
|fantasies on kids, though.
|u/mrfingspanky - 1 month
|
|Judge did it to "teach her to respect the court". Ya fucked that one
|up dumbass. You just made a lady hate you and the court for her whole
|life.
|u/Jammintoad - 1 month
|
|This is called bullying. Some people never grow out of it
|u/scoobertsonville - 1 month
|
|And an ego complex and obsession with “respect” over his little
|fiefdom.
|u/naughtynuns69 - 1 month
|
|I saw the headline and thought it was all gonna be in good fun, like
|the kids learn how the process works and one of them gets chosen to
|play the role of the defendant. Then I get to the comments and see it
|was actually just a douche canoe on a power trip.
|u/Motherof_pizza - 1 month
|
|you have quite a bit of faith in humanity, my friend. new to the
|news?
|u/Immersi0nn - 1 month
|
|Let them have that one, that was a good idea they shared.
|u/TopCutsOnly - 1 month
|
|Yeah really turned my smile into a pained frown, like it could've
|been a funny little joke but it sounds like it was more bullying and
|humiliating..... The kid shouldn't have to do that unless they
|wanted... So where was the line drawn? 
|u/DoctorChampTH - 1 month
|
|Trump fell asleep during his trial.
|u/dreneeps - 1 month
|
|Lol! That's the first thing I thought of too!
|u/Jikxer - 1 month
|
|Different rules for the common person versus the rich and powerful.
|u/BZLuck - 1 month
|
|But she didn't shit herself too. That's where the whole thing falls
|apart for her.
|u/Stryker2279 - 1 month
|
|The lack of empathy when dealing with a kid who didn't do anything makes
|me wonder what he's done to people actually on trial. If that happened
|to me I'd be completely disenfranchised by the justice system. That
|judge should be ashamed of themselves that they conducted themselves
|like that. That judge shouldn't be a janitor in a courtroom, let alone a
|judge.
|u/fxkatt - 1 month
|
|*“It was her whole attitude and her whole disposition that disturbed
|me,” the judge told WXYZ. “I wanted to get through to her, show how
|serious this is and how you are to conduct yourself inside of a
|courtroom.”* Her attitude disturbed Him--because his boring
|presentation put her to sleep. She wins on both counts---lock him up and
|set her free. And teach him what good behavior actually is.
|u/RunninADorito - 1 month
|
|She didn't have to be there and had no choice about being there. Fuck
|that judge.
|u/Visual-Square7648 - 1 month
|
|Someone has a god complex.
|u/filthytelestial - 1 month
|
|He also said something about wanting to teach kids like her a lesson
|about that kind of behavior, so they don't end up in front of him in
|court some day. The guy is absolutely delusional. Since when was
|dozing off on a field trip grounds for being brought in front of a
|judge? How is it any indication that she's headed for a life of crime?
|"I didn't have enough respect for the courts" has never been anyone's
|reason for committing a crime. And, if this douchbag's main takeaway
|from all the cases he's heard is that defendants don't have enough
|respect for the court, perhaps he's not insightful enough to be a
|judge. Edit: This really is another example of that authoritarian
|redefinition of respect. Paraphrasing but it basically goes: "If you
|don't show me respect by treating me like an authority, I won't show
|you respect by treating you like a person."
|u/realitythreek - 1 month
|
|> While King defended his actions, he also told the Free Press the
|entire encounter has been blown out of proportion and is traumatizing
|for him as well. https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroi
|t/2024/08/14/detroit-judge-forces-teen-who-fell-asleep-on-field-trip-
|into-handcuffs/74794293007/
|u/OldMaidLibrarian - 1 month
|
|Oh, *boo-fucking-hoo.* He can dish it out, but he sure can't take it
|when people call him on his shit, eh?
|u/ResettisReplicas - 1 month
|
|How about he goes through a fake disbarment to scare HIM straight?
|u/tiggertigerliger - 1 month
|
|Gosh this story is insane. He humiliated her in front of her
|classmates.
|u/Husknight - 1 month
|
|I wanna know his social media accounts
|u/someoneone211 - 1 month
|
|Complete abuse of power. What's wrong with these judges??? Trump fell
|asleep at court during every fucking appearance. He wasn't a fucking
|visitor. This judge doesn't know this young persons life. He should
|have offered the kid a cup of coffee not threaten her with more problems
|- Fuck him.
|u/blackhornet03 - 1 month
|
|The judge should be removed from the bench.
|u/7f00dbbe - 1 month
|
|the judge should be put in a jumpsuit and handcuffs and then we should
|ask a group of kids whether he deserves to go to jail....
|u/F4RM3RR - 1 month
|
|Oh don't worry! He offered to mentor the girl to her parents after
|being called out! I am sure she is excited for this unbelievable
|opportunity
|u/fictionallymarried - 1 month
|
|What an asshole, this is abuse of power. Real credible judge if this is
|what he does to a teenager who fell asleep at a place that is often
|incredibly boring. Traumatized the kid for no reason.
|u/JJscribbles - 1 month
|
|Umm… fuck that judge and his ego, and his casual abuse of power against
|someone whom, I *assume*, was a minor.
|u/Atheios569 - 1 month
|
|How fucked up would it be if the reason she was tired is because she
|comes from an abusive home, or maybe she takes care of relatives while
|trying to finish her high school education. I mean, it’s already fucked
|up, but geez.
|u/littlescreechyowl - 1 month
|
|I have many friends who are high school teachers and generally their
|feelings about kids falling asleep in class are “if they are that
|tired I’m going to let them sleep. We are going to have a
|conversation, but they can sleep. My classroom might be the safest,
|quietest place they are in all day. Until I talk to them, I don’t know
|why, so I’m certainly not going to punish them for a basic human
|need”.
|u/spyddarnaut - 1 month
|
|Aww. This is so empathetic and pragmatic of your friends. Made me
|tear up about what could’ve possibly led them to this deeper
|understanding. Seems they’ve been through some things with their
|students. So much so they do not trust the surface level of a
|student behavior on principle.  You know good peoples! 
|u/littlescreechyowl - 1 month
|
|If you get to know teachers you’ll find that more of them are like
|this than not.
|u/BottleTemple - 1 month
|
|How fucked up would it be if she was narcoleptic?
|u/Pingy_Junk - 1 month
|
|Not even just narcolepsy lots of health issues can cause extreme
|exhaustion. I’m on meds for my pain that cause me to fall asleep
|even when I genuinely want to stay awake.
|u/Bekiala - 1 month
|
|That is what I was thinking. Maybe she was coming down with the flu
|or something. I went to a calculus class when I was getting sick and
|kept falling asleep. I later apologized to the professor who was
|super cool about it. A couple of my friends slept a lot in high
|school. Their mom was an alcoholic who would keep them up all night
|raging at them. The teachers just let them sleep. It can suck to be
|a kid.
|u/Growler_Garden - 1 month
|
|Hill says Goodman was falling asleep because the family does not have
|a permanent residence at the moment, and are just trying to make ends
|meet.
|u/BeneathAnOrangeSky - 1 month
|
|I used to fall asleep as a teenager in class all the time. I couldn’t
|help it. I was TRYING to stay awake! But I didn’t sleep well at night
|and I’d nod off. There are a million reasons a teenager might be falling
|asleep and it’s not disrespect.
|u/Chaos_Sauce - 1 month
|
|I had undiagnosed sleep apnea when I was in high school and used to
|fall asleep in class all the time. I had literal waking nightmares in
|class when I could hear my Geometry teacher talking to me and asking
|me questions while I was trying to fight the sleep paralysis and
|answer her or even just move my hand. Fuck this judge.
|u/BeneathAnOrangeSky - 1 month
|
|Having sleep paralysis in public seems like an absolute nightmare,
|omg. It’s thankfully rare in public for me but it has happened on a
|plane once.
|u/VeronicaMarsupial - 1 month
|
|I had, as it turned out but I didn't know until later, Lyme disease in
|my last semester of college. I slept so much but would still fall
|asleep in class despite trying desperately to stay awake. I could not
|help it. It was miserable. And when I first went to the doctor about
|it, they basically sneered at me and told me to be less lazy and have
|healthier habits (I had very good nutrition habits, didn't use drugs
|or even drink alcohol, and had been very active and sporty prior to
|getting sick). Heaven forfend an adult in a position of authority or
|care try to understand a young person's issues instead of just
|rebuking them.
|u/thiccbabycarrot - 1 month
|
|Yeah this is disgustingly ableist and highlights the cruelty that
|exists inside the US disability process unfortunately
|u/lgmorrow - 1 month
|
|And he should be fired for false arrest.....this is not the teaching
|experience....he is a bully and needs a lesson....not the child
|u/nwgdad - 1 month
|
|> “You fall asleep in my courtroom one more time, I’m gonna put you in
|back, understood?” the judge said, according to video of his remarks
|Too bad judge Engoron hadn't been mentored by a judge like this.
|u/RealSimonLee - 1 month
|
|He probably was. These kinds of rules and strict enforcements are
|reserved for the powerless and poor, not the elite.
|u/CorruptedFlame - 1 month
|
|Damn, he really just created a whole classroom of people who will have
|absolutely no respect for the title of Judge going forward lol, that's
|gonna be worth an award haha. Like seriously, other judges have to be
|pissed at this kind of behaviour? It gives them such a bad name.
|u/bp92009 - 1 month
|
|They dont seem to be at all concerned about this. If other judges
|actually cared about their perception for this, they would come out
|and state "Any ruling that Judge Kenneth King issues will be
|overturned without question. He has abused his position, and we will
|universally treat any and all rulings he makes as illegitimate. Any
|such rulings will be treated as an automatic retrial, under another
|legitimate judge". They're going to do no such thing, and at most,
|make a veiled motion of disapproval.
|u/Monkeyfeng - 1 month
|
|Just ask her to leave the room. What a shit show
|u/HotelLifesGuest - 1 month
|
|Judge is a piece of shit. Asshole was on a power trip, not some quest to
|teach respect. Respect is earned not given. Hope he’s voted out of his
|job so he can learn respect
|u/DeaddyRuxpin - 1 month
|
|And this is why the last time I got called for jury duty I made a point
|of explaining to the judge I have a sleep disorder that can make it very
|hard for me to stay awake when I’m sitting quietly. I specifically said
|I want to make sure if I nod off in the jury box, I’m not going to get
|in trouble. The judge opted to dismiss me rather than take the risk.
|u/calliegrey - 1 month
|
|If he does this to a teen that fell asleep (him having NO idea of
|why/any context), it’s scary to think how he treats people that come
|before him charged with a crime.
|u/DMTeaAndCrumpets - 1 month
|
|good idea, potentially cause trauma to the girl because shes not getting
|enough sleep at home for whatever reason that wont leave a long lasting
|impression on her about judges and the court system.
|u/timtucker_com - 1 month
|
|For those curious, he's in Michigan's 36th District Court and not up for
|re-election until 2027: [https://ballotpedia.org/Kenneth\_J.\_King\_(Mi
|chigan)](https://ballotpedia.org/Kenneth_J._King_(Michigan)) In the
|most recent election (2020), he was 7th out of 9 candidates on the
|ballot for 9 seats. (edit -- there were only 9 on the ballot. The 10th
|was just the top write-in candidate)
|u/Square_Strain3808 - 1 month
|
|Wait until you realize that in most cities in this country the slate
|of judges are preselected by each political party and everyone listed
|by both parties become judges
|u/Ronin2369 - 1 month
|
|This is horrible, the judge should be at least reprimanded
|u/Fritz37605 - 1 month
|
|...time for that judge to be removed from the bench...
|u/crackerjam - 1 month
|
|Is this not just a textbook 1st and 4th amendment violation? Her person
|and belongings were seized and searched after 'offending' the Judge.
|Seems like the girl and her parents would have an open and shut lawsuit
|for this.
|u/Elios000 - 1 month
|
|kid and family going to have lawyers lined up around block to fight
|this.
|u/ShinyBloke - 1 month
|
|Taught that young kid a valuable lesson the government is full of power
|tripping assholes.
|u/anewman513 - 1 month
|
|Jesus, what a damn clown. I don't like his attitude. He should be put
|in jail clothes and handcuffed and then removed from the bench and
|disbarred (if he is an attorney).
|u/TuffNutzes - 1 month
|
|Power tripping judge needs to be removed. He's a danger to the public.
|u/Wiggles69 - 1 month
|
|>“I’ll do whatever needs to be done to reach these kids and make sure
|that they don’t end up in front of me,” the judge said. Lesson learned:
|The courts are a bunch of cunts that will arbitrarily fuck with you.
|u/p5ych0babble - 1 month
|
|What is the charge? A nap? A succulent courtroom nap?
|u/phatmaniac57 - 1 month
|
|This is judiciary manifest
|u/peter095837 - 1 month
|
|This judge needs to be fired. 
|u/omicron8 - 1 month
|
|I don't like his attitude to be honest. Just put him in jail.
|u/Dr_Spatchcock - 1 month
|
|So, the judge got his feelings hurt because a teenager didn't show him
|"the respect" he thought he deserved. What a pansy man child.
|u/DietDrBleach - 1 month
|
|In order to put a child in scared straight, the parents have to consent.
|They didn’t. That was false imprisonment.
|u/plinocmene - 1 month
|
|Scared straight programs don't work. In fact they backfire and increase
|crime. https://www.college.police.uk/research/crime-reduction-
|toolkit/scared-straight And seriously what if this girl had narcolepsy?
|That would have been disability discrimination. This could have ruined
|the judge's career.
|u/CacophonyOfSilence - 1 month
|
|Someone's about to get SUED.
|u/Kanguin - 1 month
|
|If I was her family I would sue.
|u/Tired8281 - 1 month
|
|We hold teenagers to a higher standard than we do former presidents.
|u/pureRitual - 1 month
|
|Why was she falling sleep in the first place? She might not have a safe
|environment where she gets a good night's sleep. Could also be health
|issues. What a pompous prick
|u/Isaac_Shepard - 1 month
|
|I don't remember where found it, but there's is a second article about
|this where the mother mentions she is homeless.
|u/electric_popcorn_cat - 1 month
|
|https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/just-awful-mom-of-teen-who-
|was-placed-in-handcuffs-by-detroit-judge-on-field-trip-breaks-
|silence
|u/pureRitual - 1 month
|
|Wow. Thanks for sharing. That is heartbreaking.
|u/tiggertigerliger - 1 month
|
|One article I read said she didn’t get a good nights sleep the prior
|night. I didn’t realize she was homeless?!
|u/00Lisa00 - 1 month
|
|He has no way of knowing why she was tired. There are a million reasons
|why she could be tired. Falling asleep isn’t a show of disrespect. I’ve
|seen grown adults with very responsible jobs falling asleep in meetings
|because of something going on out of work. They could be sick, parents
|have a new baby, they could have been studying. And heck teens just need
|a lot of sleep. This judge is a narcissist and needs to check himself
|u/adevland - 1 month
|
|> “I wanted this to look and feel very real to her, even though there’s
|probably no real chance of me putting her in jail. That was my own
|version of ‘Scared Straight,’” King said, referring to a documentary
|about teen offenders in New Jersey. :| > “You fall asleep in my
|courtroom one more time, I’m gonna put you in back, understood?” the
|judge said, according to video of his remarks. > King then had the girl
|change into jail clothes and wear handcuffs. > “It was her whole
|attitude and her whole disposition that disturbed me,” the judge told
|WXYZ. “I wanted to get through to her, show how serious this is and how
|you are to conduct yourself inside of a courtroom.” So this applies
|only to teenagers, right? Because I've seen Trump sleeping in a
|courtroom but I've never seen him in jail clothes & handcuffs. > King
|also threatened her with time in juvenile detention before releasing
|her. > King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered
|to be a mentor. That judge is a cartoon level idiot. And he'll be
|allowed to keep his job which makes us idiots as well for tolerating
|shit like this.
|u/RattyRhino - 1 month
|
|I fell asleep soooo much during class in high school. I also graduated
|in the top 10% of my class. I found out right before graduation that my
|TSH levels were astronomical and my thyroid was doing jack for years.
|Tiredness is not attitude or personal affront. It’s just being sleepy.
|Let the kid have a Coke and move on.
|u/SimAlienAntFarm - 1 month
|
|School hours are also notoriously brutal on growing teens and mostly
|go from 8 to 3 to maximize the availability of a parent to put them on
|a bus in the morning and get home before they’ve been alone for more
|than three hours.
|u/Megatanis - 1 month
|
|What a psycho. Well, the kids definitely learned something.
|u/DanteHTID - 1 month
|
|What a fragile little adult.
|u/BettySpaghettyStan - 1 month
|
|Instead of concern for the child? Wtf. There's a list of reasons why she
|could be so tired. Hard home life, working a job to support
|herself/family, taking a big course load (or extracurriculars),
|homeless, health issues (especially menstruation in younger girls is
|hard), etc. Who knows. But the judge messed up, and I hope her parents
|speak up.
|u/eru_dite - 1 month
|
|Guaranteed that his idea of mentoring is as unsavory as one can imagine.
|What a weird, sad man.
|u/nadav183 - 1 month
|
|> “I wanted to get through to her, show how serious this is and how you
|are to conduct yourself inside of a courtroom.” Show her how serious is
|what exactly? Falling asleep during a visit to the courtroom? You felt
|disrespected by a 16yo falling asleep and you wanted to show your power
|over her for some fucked up reason. Screw this guy.
|u/ElderFlour - 1 month
|
|Who knows what her home life is like. I used to fall asleep in class,
|too. I spent most nights hyper vigilant listening for …things that no
|young person should have to worry about that age.
|u/ThonThaddeo - 1 month
|
|> King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a
|mentor. Who is this lunatic?
|u/Luckpast - 1 month
|
|Own version of "Scared Straight". This guy just had a power trip. Who
|gives you the right to try to teach a random student a life lesson like
|that? Honestly he should be removed and put in traffic court for the
|rest of his career if he has this attitude.
|u/forcedintothis- - 1 month
|
|There’s something wrong with this man.
|u/Speedygonzales24 - 1 month
|
|A sleepy child? Clearly she has an attitude problem.
|u/Hazel_Hellion - 1 month
|
|She was falling asleep, not being disruptive. Who knows why....it's
|none of his business. Rather than offer help, he made it worse. Way to
|take a very low road, when he could have easily taken the high road.
|u/popthestacks - 1 month
|
|Judges have too much power and not enough oversight.
|u/Averagebaddad - 1 month
|
|Wish we had unlawful imprisonment laws in the US
|u/difulp - 1 month
|
|I seem to recall Trump nodding off a few times during his trial. Hmmm.
|u/paerius - 1 month
|
|> “I wanted this to look and feel very real to her, even though there’s
|probably no real chance of me putting her in jail. That was my own
|version of ‘Scared Straight,’” King said, referring to a documentary
|about teen offenders in New Jersey. Great, a judge that's a bully. Also
|that program didn't work at all, and in fact some studies show that it
|made things worse.
|u/redeyesblackguy - 1 month
|
|That Judge is the one that deserves the cuffs and jumpsuit. I'm
|completely appalled.
|u/Seanish12345 - 1 month
|
|Feels like false arrest
|u/Thalaas - 1 month
|
|I fell asleep in class all the time in class. Constantly. I was
|diagnosed narcoleptic in third year university. Nodding off isn't the
|huge sign of disrespect people make it out to be. People have conditions
|and get tired.
|u/thesarc - 1 month
|
|Shouldn't be a judge. Humiliating a child for being tired is some psycho
|BS.
|u/israeljeff - 1 month
|
|The judge here was an asshole, but teenagers don't need to have a bad
|home life to fall asleep at school or school functions. I had a great
|home life, and I just chose to stay up until 5 am most nights watching
|mystery science theater.
|u/berrylakin - 1 month
|
|Also teenagers are still growing and developing and that sometimes
|makes you tired.
|u/rixtape - 1 month
|
|I had a fine home life, and I distinctly remember one day in high
|school when I was in choir class, I literally fell asleep *while we
|were singing*. My binder of sheet music fell off my lap and the
|rings busted open, sending all of the paper everywhere. It was high-
|key embarrassing, of course, but I definitely didn't do it on
|purpose, because I *couldn't help falling asleep*. This judge acts
|like she did it on purpose to be rude or antagonizing. What a chode.
|u/Background_MilkGlass - 1 month
|
|That is the nerdiest thing to stay up for and I love that shit
|u/smoochiegotgot - 1 month
|
|I just called the court directly and expressed my concern that this type
|of thing is unacceptable, and that I'm concerned about this judge and
|his ability to administer justice It made me feel a little better that
|at least this court is hearing a direct reaction to this judge's actions
|313 965 2283
|u/tighterfit - 1 month
|
|So she committed no crime, and he treated like a criminal. So, can she
|sue for wrongful imprisonment, and cruel and unusual punishment. She
|wasn’t an inmate, or was she at a court date. She should sue and the
|judge reprimanded.
|u/Queasy_Astronaut2884 - 1 month
|
|Spoke to her parents after and offered to be her mentor? For a judge
|this man has surprisingly bad JUDGMENT
|u/INeedANerf - 1 month
|
|Did the judge consider that court is boring asf?
|u/FragrantEcho5295 - 1 month
|
|WXYZ post an interview with the teen’s mother. Through tears she tells
|us that she and her daughter are homeless and her daughter doesn’t have
|her own bed to sleep in and that things were already bad for them before
|this judge went rogue on her daughter. She states that her daughter has
|stayed strong throughout their struggles with housing, goes to school,
|gets good grades and doesn’t give her any grief. She’s a good kid. The
|girl is traumatized and so is the mom. Sorry that I don’t have a link to
|the story. But go to WXYZ Detroit’s website and you’ll find it
|u/Binkusu - 1 month
|
|Wouldn't something like a judge throwing a spectator in jail be from
|contempt of court? Was there an actual trial happening? This guy is a
|piece of work
|u/reverend-mayhem - 1 month
|
|As somebody who was dealing with a change of ADHD meds & parents
|divorcing after changing school districts 5 times in 9 years, I fell
|asleep in class MULTIPLE times & it wasn’t because I was trying to be
|disrespectful. This is the attitude of somebody that *doesn’t want*
|to give the benefit of the doubt. Somebody who decides futures doesn’t
|care to take into account that people might be going through shit.
|That’s terrifying.
|u/Shady_Scientist - 1 month
|
|A teenager, likely not getting enough sleep is put in a boring situation
|where there's no test to pay attention for and they doze off? PUNISHER
|HER /s
|u/Patrickme - 1 month
|
|Could she sue for false imprisonment? I would love to hear the judge
|explain why he is either abusive towards a teen or an incompetent judge.
|u/TheMoogster - 1 month
|
|If he has a job in a week, the USA is truly a fucked up country.
|u/metalmelts - 1 month
|
|Dumb bastard crossed the line without even knowing it. His career is
|over. A little bit of power can create an immense amount of stupidity
|u/RealSimonLee - 1 month
|
|Judge's, in general, have too much power, and they seem to use it on
|people who can't do anything about it. Judiciary needs serious reform.
|u/IDreamOfLoveLost - 1 month
|
|>King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a
|mentor. Fucking EW. Mentoring a 16 year-old girl to what end? How does
|someone like this end up in a position of power?
|u/Husknight - 1 month
|
|Because the only people that want a position of power are power hungry
|pieces of shit. We can barely call them humans
|u/SyntheticGod8 - 1 month
|
|> That was my own version of ‘Scared Straight Does the judge think
|that's why these kids were here? To be scared straight? > “I’ll do
|whatever needs to be done to reach these kids and make sure that they
|don’t end up in front of me,” This is what he thinks will reach these
|kids? Arbitrary punishment for tiny violations of etiquette? If I had to
|bet, some of those kids probably already have to deal with some jackass
|at home on a powertrip screaming "This my house! My Rules!" The only
|thing these kids learned is that judges are tyrants of their little
|fiefdoms and if you don't sit up straight and kiss their ass, they can
|just jail you. There's a big difference between being openly
|disrespectful and being a bit sleepy. I wish there was some additional
|context that would humiliate him. Like, she was exhausted because she
|was up studying or volunteering or working part time (and having to give
|most of it to her struggling parents) or dealing with a sick relative or
|(gods forbid) an abusive home life. But nah, it's all about protecting
|the judge's fragile ego.
|u/I_am_so_alternative - 1 month
|
|I'm sorry, did we not just watch Donald Trump spend weeks falling asleep
|in court during his own trial, with zero consequences?
|u/ishook - 1 month
|
|She clearly attempted to resist a rest, but failed.
|u/7LeagueBoots - 1 month
|
|Hmm... I seem to remember some orange faced buffoon in court recently
|who kept falling asleep, but nothing happened to him... peculiar.
|u/3rdCoastLiberal - 1 month
|
|But a former president can shit, fart and sleep through his actual
|trial? This is a kid at the whim of an adult on a power trip.
|u/Turbulent-Pension-31 - 1 month
|
|Intentional infliction of emotional distress. She should sue his self-
|righteous ass
|u/Elios000 - 1 month
|
|cuffs too add on so illegally detained
|u/otherworldly11 - 1 month
|
|Sounds like a lawsuit.
|u/dj3stripes - 1 month
|
|psychopath with a gavel.
|u/tommys234 - 1 month
|
|People with zero empathy shouldn’t be the ones sentencing other humans
|in our society
|u/JaymesMarkham2nd - 1 month
|
|> I wanted this to look and feel very real to her, even though there’s
|probably no real chance of me putting her in jail. Detroit judge
|harasses female student despite her committing no wrong? Don't worry,
|it's real as hell for her.
|u/dro_torious - 1 month
|
|If only they had done that to Trump when he was in trial 😒
|u/Aelaer - 1 month
|
|That is not how a judge teaches respect. If anyone is disrupting court
|proceedings in an involuntary way, the usher or clerk will first of all
|quietly ask them to leave. Only after that should contempt of court
|proceedings be used (which is a formal process). That judge was so far
|out of line, he should get suspended pending a disciplinary hearing.
|u/cicadaham - 1 month
|
|Sleeping in court is only acceptable behavior for ex-presidents
|u/AbsentThatDay2 - 1 month
|
|One of the problems with the constitution is that there doesn't seem to
|be much of a check against the judiciary.
|u/PaulClarkLoadletter - 1 month
|
|In this case there is. Court was not in active session which means
|rules of conduct are not enforceable. She could be asked to leave
|and/or be removed from the premises but she can’t be fake arrested for
|fake contempt. The parents (she is a minor) can lawyer up. The judge
|will likely just get a wag of the finger and a scolding if no action
|is taken. There probably isn’t a huge payday but the judge would
|likely offer to settle for a reasonable amount.
|u/uhgletmepost - 1 month
|
|I can't find anything that says courts have to be in session for a
|judge to hold someone in contempt of court. Him doing his tasks in
|official capacity and someone misbehaving is enough. His issuing
|would be overruled though on the obvious silly nonsense this
|situation is. In this case the judge has a 60 percent chance of
|being immune to any civil suit but since the guy is elected the
|state very well may not qualify for immunity
|u/PaulClarkLoadletter - 1 month
|
|This could end up being a question on the bar exam.
|u/Askeee - 1 month
|
|>...the judge was trying to teach a lesson of respect... Well maybe he
|should have tried doing something worthy of respect then.
|u/Chairman_Mittens - 1 month
|
|There are some really amazing, patient, kind-hearted judges out there,
|but there are also a bunch of petty, narcissistic, stuck-up assholes who
|want to power trip on people who did nothing more than show a little
|attitude.
|u/IamNICE124 - 1 month
|
|He needs to resign, period.
|u/Aware-Protection-697 - 1 month
|
|Offered to be a mentor... That's rich!
|u/EvulRabbit - 1 month
|
|Just like pastor Bob.
|u/MrGeno - 1 month
|
|But all the judges balls suddenly tucked in when dealing with Trump.
|Whoop dee doo judges.
|u/Alternative-Base2743 - 1 month
|
|I hope her parents sue the living shit out of him.
|u/Fireheart318s_Reddit - 1 month
|
|Yeah, that kid’s 100% gonna have ptsd or something. What an asshole of a
|judge
|u/Born_Stable5668 - 1 month
|
|In second grade (1992) there was a day when we pretended like it was
|olden times and went about the school day as if it was the 18th century,
|or whatever. I don’t remember exactly what I did, but I probably spoke
|while raising my hand instead of waiting to be called upon to answer
|which, as a 7 year old isn’t exactly uncommon nor egregious. The old
|timey punishment was having everyone address what happened and make me
|wear a dunce cap. I then had to sit in the corner wearing the dunce cap
|for what felt like forever and I still fucking think about it.
|u/Zanzimush - 1 month
|
|Power-tripping piece of shit
|u/dustofdeath - 1 month
|
|So he likes cuffing and locking up teenage girls to feel powerful and
|then offers to groom her?
|u/jb_in_jpn - 1 month
|
|God. What a total fucking twat.
|u/kosmokomeno - 1 month
|
|Dude doesn't show very good judgment...
|u/King_Kingly - 1 month
|
|What a fucking asshole. I swear judges are so fucking narcissistic. We
|should stop referring to them with the title Honorable.
|u/Jaerin - 1 month
|
|WTF as a teenager with sleep issues I would have fallen asleep doing
|something like this too. I feel asleep in class while the teacher was
|lecturing. Not because I wasn't trying to pay attention but because my
|brain was literally shutting down and going to sleep. I didn't get a
|CPAP until I was 35 and that's when it all started to make a whole lot
|of sense to me why my childhood was so tortured and exhausting.
|u/sevotlaga - 1 month
|
|I love that the judge just turned some innocent kid against the judicial
|system, as corrupt as it is. Probably even most of the rest of the kids
|there, their families….pigs will eat themselves on their own without any
|“revolution” necessary. “Come watch boring court proceedings, kids. FU
|for being bored!”
|u/cornholesurprise115 - 1 month
|
|What a cocksucking judge lmaoo
|u/Medumbdumb - 1 month
|
|That’s small dick energy
|u/CaPineapple - 1 month
|
|This judge is an embarrassment. I hope he sees some consequences for his
|unbelievably unconstitutional detention of this student. May be
|kidnapping as well.
|u/mariachiband49 - 1 month
|
|Wacko "judge" doles out humiliation punishment to teenager because he
|got his feelings hurt.
|u/alien_from_Europa - 1 month
|
|This wasn't civil contempt. This was criminal contempt. That means she
|was entitled to a trial/hearing prior to being imprisoned. She would
|need to be a clear and present danger to the court to be arrested
|immediately. That means she would have to be formally charged with a
|crime. I hope this judge gets sued. He broke the law.
|u/Jrk67 - 1 month
|
|Scared straight is such a failure tactic. Talk to the kid, ask why they
|fell asleep, do they have issues at home, do they have a bad sleep
|schedule? You'll change a LOT of kids more so by teaching them
|communication vs embarrassing them in front of their peers. Also, for
|the judge to call the kid's parents and say they'll be a mentor? I bet
|they really missed being able to slam the phone down back in the day on
|that call.
|u/Dr_Unkle - 1 month
|
|Judge Kenneth King said he reached out to the family and offered to help
|mentor Goodman, the family says they're not interested.
|u/caretaker6176 - 1 month
|
|This seems like he got pissed off and made up the "scared straight"
|stuff to try to justify it after the fact.
|u/corporaterebel - 1 month
|
|Didn't even wait to get out of School.to Prison Pipeline.
|u/sly_savhoot - 1 month
|
|Wow after all that he asked if he could mentor the girl.  The way it
|sounds is beyond the pale I think he's scared of repercussions but is
|handling it even worse. 
|u/bigrig107 - 1 month
|
|“King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a
|mentor”. Alarm bells going off. FBI, check this guy’s PC
|u/Longbobs - 1 month
|
|Judge King is a piece of shit and should be known nationwide as one
|u/powerandchaos - 1 month
|
|I literally did exactly this as a teen. Courtrooms are boring places and
|we had to be up extremely early for the field trip. Being students, we
|weren't allowed to politely excuse ourselves from the courtroom like a
|normal spectator would. Thankfully, I was in the balcony so the judge
|didn't see me. This could have been a teaching moment but instead this
|poor girl was humiliated
|u/MF_Kitten - 1 month
|
|Perfectly reflects the criminal justice system's motivations and
|methods, though
|u/SleepyxDormouse - 1 month
|
|Ugh sounds like a judge on a power trip. There should be consequences
|for this. Judges don’t just get to order someone’s arrest for funsies.
|u/FriedR - 1 month
|
|The judge in question, after the uproar, has reached out to be a mentor
|to the girl whose offense was…. falling asleep. First, your methods as a
|mentor are questionable already and second what mentoring does a sleepy
|person need?
|u/anotherworthlessman - 1 month
|
|There's about a million reasons a teenager might fall asleep in court.
|Maybe she lives in an unsafe neighborhood and has to listen to gunshots
|all night. Maybe, she has to stay up with a young child. Maybe she works
|night shift after school because money is that damn tight. Maybe she's
|fucking hormonal, when I was a teenager, just because of my body I'd
|sleep 18 hours a day (which most say is good for teenagers) and I'd
|still be fucking tired. None of those things should land you in
|handcuffs, fuck this guy.
|u/VegaTDM - 1 month
|
|Fuck this piece of shit judge. He should be disbarred permanently if he
|wants to play games with the courtroom like this.
|u/jesuisapprenant - 1 month
|
|He needs to be charged and then recalled. What is wrong with this
|person?
|u/Logtastic - 1 month
|
|Sue the courts for kidnapping. Also Trump set precedence that it's OK
|to sleep in court.
|u/you-create-energy - 1 month
|
|Falling asleep while black
|u/Kafshak - 1 month
|
|If this ends up in her records, that judge has seriously fucked up.
|u/iwantyousobadright - 1 month
|
|From a field trip? What the fuck
|u/anon-a-SqueekSqueek - 1 month
|
|He didn't know it, but the lesson he actually imparted was that our
|justice system is a joke full of power tripping clowns who abuse their
|power.
|u/JazzlikeLeave5530 - 1 month
|
|The judge inadvertently taught her a real lesson: the justice system is
|full of bullshit and they are eager to put people in prison.
|u/FuckingTree - 1 month
|
|Any adult willing to use a position of power to leverage “I’m gonna
|teach you a lesson” to someone like this needs to be indicted and locked
|up. I understand it’s a judge and a courtroom but this was extrajudicial
|punishment, and the fact he was quoted afterwards saying he “probably”
|couldn’t send her to a detention facility should be a slam dunk for a
|civil rights attorney that he knows full well he was acting beyond his
|capacity but also with malice and lack of regret
|u/uganda_numba_1 - 1 month
|
|Are judges above the law? Can’t she sue him? Or do judges really have
|unlimited power and discretion to do anything when you are in their
|courtroom? Because I would say that falling asleep is not a completely
|voluntary action and this judge should be punished for overstepping his
|authority.
|u/Prosthemadera - 1 month
|
|> It was her whole attitude and her whole disposition that disturbed me,
|What a child. More childish than the teenager that fell asleep. > “I’ll
|do whatever needs to be done to reach these kids and make sure that they
|don’t end up in front of me,” the judge said. This achieves the
|opposite. He is teaching that the courts are full of children who are
|lead by feelings, not objectivity and fairness.
|u/VanDenBroeck - 1 month
|
|That is one power trippin’ motherf****r.
|u/TemporaryThink9300 - 1 month
|
|[Judge King wants to "mentor" young
|girl.](https://apnews.com/article/teen-detroit-field-trip-
|handcuffs-50ca8b3027ff3f40da0bf7aa98cefeb2) The last sentence from the
|same article, says all I need to know about this Judge King, he wants to
|be this young girl's "mentor" "King told WXYZ that he spoke to the
|girl's parents and offered to be a mentor." 🤮
|u/Phiarmage - 1 month
|
|Sue the court and the judge for false imprisonment and false detainment.
|Fuck that judge.
|u/Seregnar2 - 1 month
|
|And I'm sure this is the only time he's ever abused his power in the
|courtroom right?
|u/13thmurder - 1 month
|
|Well that judge is clearly a cunt.
|u/LepoGorria - 1 month
|
|Ladies and gentlemen, the *Land of the Free* and pinnacle of human
|rights.
|u/been2thehi4 - 1 month
|
|As a 36 year old woman I would fall the fuck asleep in court. No child
|thinks, “OH YAY! All day in court for a field trip.”
|u/Greenc0c0nut - 1 month
|
|Well, I’m glad that someone with such a fragile ego high on their own
|authority is in a position of power.
|u/cvaldo99 - 1 month
|
|What an absolute dickhead. Ask yourself why that kid is falling asleep
|and attack that instead. 
|u/Sinphony_of_the_nite - 1 month
|
|Watched one too many of those scared straight videos and decided he'd
|try it himself.
|u/214txdude - 1 month
|
|Very angry power trip judge?
|u/Zoso1973 - 1 month
|
|Abuse of power. What a pos judge.
|u/CrazyJoeGalli - 1 month
|
|>King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a
|mentor. I don't think the parents would want that after daughter was
|traumatized with the judge's actions.
|u/Elios000 - 1 month
|
|parents should filed for restraining order thats not creepy at all...
|u/nurpleclamps - 1 month
|
|This is why everyone hates this farce of a justice system
|u/JimJava - 1 month
|
|“DETROIT (AP) — A teenager on a field trip to see a Detroit court ended
|up in jail clothes and handcuffs because a judge said he didn’t like her
|attitude. Judge Kenneth King even asked other kids in the courtroom
|Tuesday whether the 16-year-old girl should be taken to juvenile
|detention, WXYZ-TV reported. King, who works at 36th District Court,
|defended his actions. “I wanted this to look and feel very real to her,
|even though there’s probably no real chance of me putting her in jail.
|That was my own version of ‘Scared Straight,’” King said, referring to a
|documentary about teen offenders in New Jersey.” Judge is power
|tripping, nice example to set for young people, that court should be
|despised.
|u/Elios000 - 1 month
|
|> Judge Kenneth King even asked other kids in the courtroom Tuesday
|whether the 16-year-old girl should be taken to juvenile detention,
|WXYZ-TV reported. yes lets ask the OTHER FUCKING KIDS you know how
|thats going to end. man i hope this girl has lawyers lined up around
|the block for this law suit.
|u/garg - 1 month
|
|That judge showed some poor judgement. He literally has ONE job. He
|should defrock and fuck off.
|u/phantomgem - 1 month
|
|Wouldn’t this count as unlawful imprisonment or something like that?
|u/SpecialistNerve6441 - 1 month
|
|She wasnt there with some troubled teen youth group she was there with a
|volunteer organization. Fuck this power trippin piece of shit. 
|u/xiphoidthorax - 1 month
|
|Seems like an over reach of judicial authority. Child was not in court
|for any criminal offence. If perceived as “ contempt of court”, can be
|asked to leave.
|u/conundrum4u2 - 1 month
|
|If falling asleep in court can get you jail time, Trump should have been
|in jail 10 times over by now...use that as a precedent...
|u/Hayes4prez - 1 month
|
|This guy doesn’t have the temperament to be a judge.
|u/Anthamon - 1 month
|
|A quick lesson in how quickly and arbitrarily the state can ruin your
|life.
|u/jerryhallo - 1 month
|
|Before watching video: what in the what? What is happening? How could a
|guy think he’s helping and be doing so much hurting? After video: Ohhh
|this guys a total piece of shit I get it now. He got his feeling hurt
|and lashed out at a 16 year old girl. Cool.
|u/BadHabitOmni - 1 month
|
|Yes, let me teach you about civil justice by neither being civil nor
|just as an official who supposedly represents the highest order of those
|sacred duties... Can someone say "power trip"? Reading into it, the
|judge coerced the girl into putting on jail clothes and cuffs as part of
|some kind of demonstration to take the justice system seriously... which
|to me seemed more like a demonstration of exercising supreme authority
|because 'the vibes were off'. The irony of not liking the way a teen
|looks or acts... then punishing them and definitely making them respect
|authority, instead of absolutely despising it, right? If he's a father,
|he probably should know by now that forcing a kid to do anything only
|breeds resentment, and perhaps this feeling is engrained into the people
|subjugated by those who believe they have absolute power and righteous
|authority to weild it... because a judge can never see themselves doing
|anything wrong.
|u/charismatic-conjuror - 1 month
|
|Perhaps she thought the precedence was set by the former president of
|the United States who slept through a significant portion of his trial…
|🤷🏾
|u/ZenwalkerNS - 1 month
|
|The judge does realize he's not a real king, it's just his surname,
|right?
|u/4E4ME - 1 month
|
|This is fucking terrifying. She's a kid who has been taken somewhere
|on a school field trip. She is detained, humiliated in front of her
|peers, and, as a minor, forced to change clothes under undisclosed
|circumstances (did she change in a bathroom? Was she under observation
|when she changed? My understanding of jail is that inmates are under
|observation at all times except in the toilet or shower. Especially at
|intake.) We don't know why she was sleeping. Maybe she has an after-
|school job. Maybe she has zero period, or AP classes that she stays up
|late studying for. Maybe her parents kept her up because they were
|fighting, or maybe there are small children or a new baby in the house.
|Or maybe court is fucking boring and adults struggle to stay awake there
|too, as anyone who has ever served jury duty can attest to. I hope her
|parents sue every single person involved except the bus driver, and I
|hope that this poer-tripping judge loses his seat. His actions and his
|attitude were egregiously outside of profession bounds.
|u/matunos - 1 month
|
|This dude has no business being in a courtroom… at least not as the
|judge.
|u/QueenOfSplitEnds - 1 month
|
|Fuck this guy. It’s dehumanizing to be in cuffs. How does he of all
|people not see that the punishment did fit the — there was no crime.
|Power-tripping douche bag.
|u/Dalek_Chaos - 1 month
|
|This story is so fucked up and the perfect example of how certain people
|in authority think their word is literally the law so they take every
|opportunity to abuse their power.
|u/Disastrous-Song-865 - 1 month
|
|I hope the courtroom is off the list for future field trips.
|u/Redlikeroses18 - 1 month
|
|Just saw a news article where the mom explains that the family does not
|have a permanent residence right now and is struggling to make ends
|meet. So disrespectful of her to try to succeed in life, right?
|u/MDizzleGrizzle - 1 month
|
|“…his actions…do not represent…” the hell they don’t! That’s exactly
|representative of the criminal justice system in America! A bunch of
|power hungry egos that can’t wait to show how powerful they are and ruin
|citizens lives!
|u/Aromatic-Deer3886 - 1 month
|
|This clown shouldn’t be a judge
|u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh - 1 month
|
|I'd say this trip taught a valuable lesson about the "justice" system to
|those kids (not just the one that ended up in cuffs), but probably not
|the lesson they want to teach.
|u/Zachet - 1 month
|
|Most judges are now corrupt. There's not enough accountability or
|validation of qualifications. You see this every day across America on
|youtube from independent journalists.
|u/Rumdiculous - 1 month
|
|In high school my class took a field trip to our local circuit court.
|And I fell asleep. You know why? Because ITS FREAKING BORING. 
|u/damik - 1 month
|
|If a former president can fall asleep in court why can't she?
|u/ItsReallyNotWorking - 1 month
|
|he probably just ensured that this girl will never trust authority
|again. and i love that there is no description of anything that was
|disrespectful besides falling alseep. who knows why she was tired.
|health reasons, home issues? it would have been the better thing for him
|to make sure she was ok, and excuse her from the courtroom. what an
|abuse of power
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