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| Apr 19, 2024 : Fri : Yahoo 2004, Dillo & Vivaldi Mobile | |
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| I found a 2004 version of Yahoo's home page [0] on my computer. Here's what | |
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| it looks like using Dillo 3.0.5 [1] (I like using extra large fonts on a | |
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| 1080 (eye strain), 16:9 screen in landscape). | |
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| Here's a screenshot [2] of the same (viewable) page using Vivaldi Mobile on | |
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| my Lenovo Tab P12-2023, 12.7", 3k display, 16:10 aspect ratio. Portrait Mode| |
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| for document-centric stuff is hard to beat. | |
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| But... honestly very impressed with Dillo. This is a 2015 version of the | |
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| browser that shows: | |
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| /usr/bin/dillo (bin: 892 KBs) | |
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| /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dillo (plugins, etc: 360 KBs) | |
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| /etc/dillo (cfg stuff: 19 KBs) | |
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| /usr/share/man/man1/dillo.1.gz (man page: 1.4 KBs) | |
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| /home/USER/.dillo (plugins I installed: 94 KBs) | |
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| Less than a 1.4 MB floppy disk! An update is expected this year (2024) :-) | |
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| [0] https://640kb.neocities.org/support/yahoo.2004.htm | |
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| [1] https://640kb.neocities.org/support/dillo.3.0.5--yahoo.2004.png | |
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| [2] https://640kb.neocities.org/support/vivaldi.mobile.2024--yahoo.2004.jpg | |
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| Apr 15, 2024 : Mon : Two new finger clients... | |
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| I came across two different command-line finger clients today! They are | |
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| both dedicated finger clients only and do not support any other protocol. I | |
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| quite like this. | |
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| One is written in the D language and available only in source (compiles | |
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| easily after "sudo apt install dub"): | |
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| https://github.com/KikyTokamuro/dfinger | |
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| The other is written in rust and includes a precompiled binary: | |
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| https://github.com/alexmullins/finger-client | |
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| Both programs have performed well, even handling the 8-bit codepage437 w/o | |
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| issue. Will update the fingerverse file with these new programs soon. | |
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| Apr 11, 2024 : Thu : Dillo updates; new site at neocities. | |
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| I've been playing around with the Dillo browser of late. It's a new toy and | |
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| really digging its HTML support. Now that I'm using it more often, I'm | |
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| really surprised at how well it handles the many HTML sites I've visited. | |
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| I've been having such a nice time with the browser that I even started to | |
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| use an inactive neocities site to give it some links to play with. I used | |
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| preformatted text because I love working with this format. | |
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| Some sections of the site are Dillo/Kristall specific (since they can handle| |
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| the combination of gemini/gopher plus the light html). Other sections of the| |
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| site... a mirror of the pages I've posted at happynetbox.com. | |
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| https://640kb.neocities.org | |
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| Apr 10, 2024 : Wed : Fingerverse page reduction. | |
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| Reduced fingerverse from 47,582 characters to 41,980 (with spaces). I use | |
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| lots of spaces because of the boxy design. Total characters w/o spaces: | |
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| 21,885 (52% of total). | |
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| I was able to trim the file with little loss of content. | |
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| Perspective: Since I work with the fingerverse file often, I know where | |
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| everything is, everything that's been written. It doesn't feel like a long | |
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| document. I have lost the ability to see it from a new user's perspective. | |
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| Objectively, I do recognize that the current 554 lines is long. I'll keep | |
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| trimming... | |
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| Apr 08, 2024 : Mon : 44,560 character limit, three clients. | |
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| On my latest update of the fingerverse file, finger was unable to display | |
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| the entire page. It seems to have hit a limit for characters when trying to | |
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| get a file over the internet as: | |
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| * finger fingerverse@happynetbox.com | |
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| It had no problems displaying the entire page if it accessed the ~/.plan | |
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| file directly from my computer (not over the internet) as: finger username | |
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| After a very quick test, it seems that the character limit is: | |
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| 44,560 : which translated to 584 lines on the fingerverse file. | |
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| note: "finger fingerverse@happynetbox.com > file" adds an extra character | |
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| on top of the file (LF) during processing of the request... so 44,561. | |
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| I decided to test every client and access method listed on the fingerverse | |
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| page and only two others had the same (exact) issue: stopping short of | |
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| displaying the entire page at 44,560 characters (line 584). | |
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| * curl gopher://happynetbox.com:79/0fingerverse | |
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| * dillo (w/gopher plugin) | |
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| * Plan Poke : untested (but I'm sure this will display the entire page) | |
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| I was pleasantly surprised that every other client on the fingerverse page | |
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| handled the large file without any issues. This includes the bash-based | |
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| bopher-ng, the dos-like ddwarf, the command-line bombadillo, the retired | |
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| 'little gopher client' (runtimeterror). | |
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| Fingerlist on Android, the Underbite extension... and even telnet and | |
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| smolmail (both in the _fun_ section) handled the entire page. All of them | |
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| except for the three listed above (finger, dillo and curl). | |
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| So what do I do? Well... moreso than any other program, I have to respect | |
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| any limits imposed by finger no matter the reason. It is the OG. | |
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| There's also curl - an institution in its own right at 28 years and Dillo | |
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| that's been ~active since Dec/1999 (though it's new to modern smolnet). | |
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| The clues seem to indicate that the problem lies outside of these three | |
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| programs specifically. Third-party? | |
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| Until some reason for this is determined, I'll find a way of trimming down | |
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| the file without losing any meaningful content. The limit per page seems to | |
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| be 44,560. I'm currently using 47,582 characters. | |
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| This is the smolnet afterall and 44,560 characters ought to be enough for | |
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| anyone... right? | |
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| Apr 07, 2024 : Sun : Dillo, smolnet plugins, Spartan. | |
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| I just discovered that Dillo has a plugin system. Somehow that got pass me. | |
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| Turns out plugins exist for gemini and gopher (finger via gopher). Spartan's| |
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| plugin does not seem to load/render. Still... very excited about this. | |
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| Dillo has always been one of those browsers I really liked but rarely used. | |
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| Now that it has gemini/gopher support... I have a great reason to use it | |
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| more often. I'll update fingerverse with this info soon. | |
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| Feel bad about spamming this box with the monthly archive of old posts. | |
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| These are one time uploads and will disappear from the main listing soon. | |
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| Apr 05, 2024 : Fri : Taxes done with room to spare. | |
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| I did my taxes yesterday (Thursday). Just getting this done got me excited | |
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| about crossing off a couple of more items from my procrastination page. | |
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| Apr 01, 2024 : Mon : Retro OSes, TLS, Spartan. | |
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| I found two posts related to discussions of a Gemini browser for DOS (copied| |
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| the discussions below). The major sticking point seems to be TLS. | |
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| This led me to review the other various emerging smolnet protocols. Spartan | |
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| stuck out because it's basically Gemini/Gemtext without the TLS: | |
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| https://portal.mozz.us/spartan/spartan.mozz.us/ | |
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| https://portal.mozz.us/spartan/mozz.us/software.gmi | |
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| I like that this protocol - among other things - provides a modern doorway | |
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| for legacy systems to enter the smolnet. That it also helps show how the | |
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| various smolnet protocols aren't necessarily competing with each other but | |
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| rather... helping to extend the smolnet in various useful ways. | |
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| DmitriiElj : | |
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| But there is no vintage computers support, as far as I know (and using IP | |
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| jakenned : | |
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| using an old DOS machine is out of the question last I checked, I think | |
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| someone may be working on a modern TLS package for DOS but I doubt an old | |
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| PC would be able to handle it. | |
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| There is someone working on a classic Mac client (m68k IIRC) but they told | |
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| jarreboum : | |
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| TLS is a non-issue now that local proxies can be easily set up to strip it | |
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| DosWorld : | |
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| JFYI (i want just share idea): | |
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| https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/ | |
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| In short words: WWW without styles and scripting on client side (sort of | |
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| markdown?), but with community (~3.5 geeks) and modern software, need just | |
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| include dos in this (underground) stream. :-D Here is example browser- | |
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| screenshot ( https://files.catbox.moe/rr96w9.png )for gemini-page. | |
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| PS: I am think about topic for my next dos-project, but, definitely, it will| |
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| effebi68 : | |
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| IMHO, TLS (as used by HTTPS) is by far the worst compatibility problem with | |
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| old machines or small operating systems. Nice idea, anyway. | |
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want another? finger phenom@happynetbox.com |
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